What's up with the used car lots?

[Epinionator89]

I've noticed that in all the used car lots (Used Cars 1, Used Cars 2 and Historic Showoom) there's rarely a change in cars other than color. No matter what day, or how many times I'm told there's a new selection of cars in the lot, there's the same ones but with different colors. What's wrong? Now there is like two or three new ones, but other than that I don't even bother trying to look for a used car anymore.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

I think it might be trying to simulate that there are some cars are that are just more comon than others.

 

[ZeratulSG]

Yeah, 90% of the lists are pretty static, changing color only. The other 10% are the rarer cars that get swapped every time the lists update.

 

[MDT]

I would make use of the used car lot more often if there wasn't such a high percentage of Japanese-mobiles.
But hey, like that hasn't been said a million times before.

I understand that the game is created in Japan, but Polyphony should by now understand that the game has GLOBAL appeal.

Ever notice that in many races the car at the back of the pack is American?
Camaros, GT40's, etc.

 

[ZeratulSG]

Yeah the bias toward Japanese cars can be a bit much, particularly when you look at the used car lists since you can scan them by make...Nissan, Nissan, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Mazda, etc...

BUT...I must say that the GT franchise has opened up the world of Japanese sports cars for me. I never knew much about Skylines and RX-7s and 3000GTs before playing GT1, largely because they aren't available (or weren't) where I live. I probably would never have bought my RL RX-8 had it not been for GT 👍 So in that respect, I think the large number of Japanese cars can be a good thing outside of Japan to help promote these awesome models.

Of course, that doesn't mean we need 30 Skylines...but hey...

 

[Alfaholic]

Yeah the bias toward Japanese cars can be a bit much, particularly when you look at the used car lists since you can scan them by make...Nissan, Nissan, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Mazda, etc...

BUT...I must say that the GT franchise has opened up the world of Japanese sports cars for me. I never knew much about Skylines and RX-7s and 3000GTs before playing GT1, largely because they aren't available (or weren't) where I live. I probably would never have bought my RL RX-8 had it not been for GT 👍 So in that respect, I think the large number of Japanese cars can be a good thing outside of Japan to help promote these awesome models.

Of course, that doesn't mean we need 30 Skylines...but hey...

What I find funny is that I grew up in South Africa, and the market there is pretty much dominated by Japanese manufacturers (Toyota in particular) and yet I don't recognise many of the Japanese cars in the game at all, and the ones that I do recognise, like the '83 Skyline and Mazda 323F (Astina), have a different engine. It's such a unique market there. Saying that, there are a few unique SA gems that would have gone a treat in GT4, like the BMW 333i and 745i, the 325iS (which had a 2.7l Hartge engine in SA), the Ford Sierra XR8 "Animal" and Capri Perana V8, Opel Kadett 2.0GSi 16V "Superboss", and my personal fave, the Alfetta GTV6 3.0.

On the subject of colours, though, I have noticed that some of the cars that appear often secondhand can be rare by colour, like the midnight purple Skyline which only appears occasionally, and the purple Esprit V8GT which I think only turns up once per 700 day cycle... but then again I can't imagine a purple Esprit would be popular anyway.

 

[S31Ender]

one.... KY has stated at least twice in public that he makes the game for HIMSELF and that he wishes to SHARE it. Meaning, he built it the way he wanted and he really doesn't care what you want in it, only that he HOPES you will like it as well.

Second, Japanese is a VERY derogatory term, it's been said on the forums many times. Please don't use it. Use JPN if you are too damn lazy to type.

Third. Japanese cars have dominated the GT series for a long time and people complain because in the US, they say American cars dominate.
However, the american to japanese (or I should say asian.....to include the korean makes) ratio of cars here is about 50/50...........until you realise that more and more american cars are actually rebadged japanese cars.
Examples are the Pontiac Vibe (toyota matrix) the old geo prizms (toyota corolla), Saturn Vue (old ones had Opel engines, new ones have Honda engines)
There are MANY more. And don't forget most companies have made deals with Japanese automakers to gain the more reliable tech from them (dodge/mitsubishi...although I don't think of them as all that reliable........Mazda/ford...........etc)
Even the europeans are getting in on it. Take the Lotus Elise.........it now has the engine from the toyota celica in it.

I do agree that I wish there were more american builds, but I understand why KY did what he did.

 

[Trimen]

one.... KY has stated at least twice in public that he makes the game for HIMSELF and that he wishes to SHARE it. Meaning, he built it the way he wanted and he really doesn't care what you want in it, only that he HOPES you will like it as well.

Second, Japanese is a VERY derogatory term, it's been said on the forums many times. Please don't use it. Use JPN if you are too damn lazy to type.

Third. Japanese cars have dominated the GT series for a long time and people complain because in the US, they say American cars dominate.
However, the american to japanese (or I should say asian.....to include the korean makes) ratio of cars here is about 50/50...........until you realise that more and more american cars are actually rebadged japanese cars.
Examples are the Pontiac Vibe (toyota matrix) the old geo prizms (toyota corolla), Saturn Vue (old ones had Opel engines, new ones have Honda engines)
There are MANY more. And don't forget most companies have made deals with Japanese automakers to gain the more reliable tech from them (dodge/mitsubishi...although I don't think of them as all that reliable........Mazda/ford...........etc)
Even the europeans are getting in on it. Take the Lotus Elise.........it now has the engine from the toyota celica in it.

I do agree that I wish there were more american builds, but I understand why KY did what he did.

Doesn't GM and Ford own several Japanese car compies?

 

[soptom]

Japanese is not a derogatory term, it's funny that the majority of people who insist that they are offended by it are not Japanese. When our Christmas was "cancelled" for want of a better word, to be replaced by Yuletide celebrations, the council told people it was so as not to offend the local Asian community. It was only reinstated when the Asian community complained to the council that it took no offence what-so-ever.

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Doesn't GM and Ford own several Japanese car compies?

I'm not sure who owns who, and it is more likely a partnership. I recently had a Mazda CD4E transmission rebuilt for a Ford car. Mitsubishi and Chrysler are in bed together. Compare the Eagle Talon to the Eclipses....

The Heavy Duty Chevy pickups use the Isuzu Duratec Desiel... Awesome engine.

 

[JTSnooks]

Actually, Mitsubishi and Chrysler USED to be closely involved, but not anymore. Anyone heard of DaimlerChrysler? Also, GM and Ford own a LOT of european car companies, but most japanese companies are independent or just have partnerships. If you want to know what GM and Ford (or even chrysler) own, just go to their main websites and see the huge car lists at the bottom. Oh, and Chrysler shouldn't have gone to Mitsubishi for their engines...I've never seen so much oil smoke

 

[Supren]

I'm no racist or w/e i like people of all type from all over the world cept the terrorist, but whats wrong about calling Japanese people Japanese for shorter term. I'm a mexican btw, call me a beaner and i think it's a regular thing just to say for fun. In real life i wouldn't use that term around the japanese cuz it's disrespectful other than that there is like 100 Japanese in my 700,000 pop city so i can say it all the time . If i were to call u a white boy what u get offend because if u do, ur raised up as a rich boy and take everything serious.

Anyways back to the true subject....yeah that is true about the used car lots that u see alot of the same cars. Once in a while u might see a rare car or the same car but the color GREEN. Like me i have 13 Supras of every color RZ-R and SZ-R, the most rarest car that i have ever got would be the RX-7 Bathurst and is a very good car. It's cool that they have alot of japanese but where are the other cars such as american and european cars? O well it doesn't bother me, there is always gonna be a GT5...i hope

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Ooops... this is a Used Car thread....

I cataloged all 100 weeks of cars, but only have to about week 68 in my Excel spreadsheet. There are (if I remember right) 237 different used cars, and about half are available 'like new' with only 10km/6.2 miles ant one or more week.

The power of the used cars are about 10% less power than the new ones and the oil change brings them to about the same power as a purchased new car. The 6.2mile/10km cars have the same power as new cars. The oil change on the new cars and 10km cars increase their power by 5%. Often, the used cars with thier dirty oil are optimum to use for gaining high spec points.

Someone mentioned the 'rarer' cars available... that's right. The 1965 Nissan Silvia (CSP311) for example is only available week 77 if my notes are right. This car might be optimum for 200 spec points for the manufacturers races, but I haven't tested it yet. I also plan to doublecheck my work, but haven't yet.

Let's not forget the four black cars available only week 100.

Should I complete my list and submit it?

One of my first used cars I bought was the 1999 Honda S2000. I used this car several times on the 2nd easy Special Conditions events to sell the prize car, the Toyota RCS Rally raid Car. It sels for $265xxx credits.

 

[JParker]

and the purple Esprit V8GT which I think only turns up once per 700 day cycle... but then again I can't imagine a purple Esprit would be popular anyway.

, or my personal garage favorite, a green V8 SE (I think that's the model) I don't know what it is about it, but I love my green Lotus

In regards to auto relations between different manufacturers, the only Japanese built Toyota sold in the US, after this year will be the Land Cruiser. The only others are being discontinued after this year: the Celica and MR2. All of the remaining Toyotas sold in the US are manufactured in the US.

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

OK, I sould have done this all in one post?

OK, there are some specific era races, right? 70's, 80's, and 90's if I remember right in the Japanese Hall. Well, except for the 90's, very few are available to buy new. The same with the lightweight cars. These races are probably best won with a used car purchase. In the Used Cars, the only 70's car you can buy near the start is the 1979 Nissan Bluebird Hardtop SSS. It is available most weeks starting at week 3. At week 25, the 1972 Fiat 500R is available. It is one of the weakest cars in the game, but likely a good car for 200 spec points in the lightweight catagory.

Week 67 has 16 cars with only 6.2/10km, and some fine ones at that. I would suggest saving the game just before, or day 1 of week 67 if someone wants to buy them all. Make 2 copies of your save game, and spread them among the three cards. You can them use the 'trade' option to get all of them. However, buying a trade car does not unlock it for arcade mode if you want it there. They are still cheap enough to but the high milage for any you wish to unlock during other weeks. I don't know how many cars available in the used sections are already available in arcade mode without unlocking. Any cars not there must be bought from a dealer or won to unlock.

If anyone has a specific car they want all weeks available, ask me.

First Availability in Historic for 60's and 70's models:
Week___Car:
03_____1979 Nissan Bluebird Hardtop
25_____1972 Fiat 500R
35_____1969 Fiat 500L
40_____1967 Mercury Cougar XR-7
40_____1970 Mitsubishi Galant GTO MR
40_____1974 Jensen Interceptor MKIII
43_____1968 Nissan Fairlady 2000 (SR311)
43_____1969 Nissan Bluebird 1600 Deluxe (S10)
44_____1968 Isuzu 117 Coupe
45_____1967 Honda N360
50_____1962 Mazda Carol 360
52_____1963 Nissan Skyline 1500Deluxe (S50D-1)
52_____1962 Isuzu Bellet 1600 GT-R
54_____1973 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110); hot 70's car.....265 PS max NA
57_____1963 Honda S500
57_____1966 Honda S800
62_____1970 Honda Z Act
65_____1970 Toyota Celica 1600 GT-R (TA22)
67_____1964 Honda S600................(6.2mi/10km)
69_____1968 Mazda 110S (L10B)
77_____1965 Nissan Silvia (CSP311)

 

[Speedy Samurai]

that is odd. Whenever I trundle off to the used car lots in this city I find that every single car that was there before, is gone and has been replaced by a different one. Why wouldn't it be like this in the game. Oh wait, In real life cars sit on the lot for weeks or months at a time. I guess the game simulates that well enough.

Also, the term Japanese (short for japan) can be likened to the short term that was used when they called the people by another name (Nippon.. or nips) Offensive, you bet! Necessary, not at all. I realize there are a lot of people out there who would not like to have to go to the hassle of typing out a full 8 letter word, but perhaps, in this instance, the term 'japanese' would be better.

 

[MDT]

Lordy!
I'm half German, and have no problem with someone calling me a KRAUT!
And thats a direct insult, not an abbreviation of Germany's name.
Why are some of you so sensitive?
You're supposed to be tough-as-nails race car drivers!

 

[chinko]

anyone notice that the 300ZX ALWAYS appears in the 80's car lot at the bottom?

 

[xXSilencerXx]

I'm not sure who owns who, and it is more likely a partnership. I recently had a Mazda CD4E transmission rebuilt for a Ford car. Mitsubishi and Chrysler are in bed together. Compare the Eagle Talon to the Eclipses....

The Heavy Duty Chevy pickups use the Isuzu Duratec Desiel... Awesome engine.

Most of Izuzu's model's are based off of GM model's as a trade off I guess for the engines.

 

[stinkfistZ06]

Ford = ford+mercury+lincoln+jaguar+aston martin+ (Land) Rover + mazda + volvo
GM= all the maerican ones you know + opel + vauxhaul+ holden + saab +33% or so of Fuji heavy industries on Subaru + about the same of Izuzu + Daewoo +trade agreeements with toyota and Honda and chery (chinese) + used to have some of fiat
DamilierChrysler= the amercian ones you know + Mercedes + much of (maybe all) Mitusbishi motors
Renault owns a controlling stake in Nissan
toyota owns lexus and scion as well as yamaha motors, bet chya didnt no that

bear in mind this is off the top of my head this is off the top of my head

 

[Tornado]

Ford = ford+mercury+lincoln+jaguar+aston martin+ (Land) Rover + mazda + volvo
GM= all the maerican ones you know + opel + vauxhaul+ holden + saab +33% or so of Fuji heavy industries on Subaru + about the same of Izuzu + Daewoo +trade agreeements with toyota and Honda and chery (chinese) + used to have some of fiat
DamilierChrysler= the amercian ones you know + Mercedes + much of (maybe all) Mitusbishi motors
Renault owns a controlling stake in Nissan
toyota owns lexus and scion as well as yamaha motors, bet chya didnt no that

bear in mind this is off the top of my head this is off the top of my head

They own about 30% of Mitsubishi Motors and recently tried to get rid of it but failed. And Mercedes owns Chrysler, not the other way around. GM also owns around 10% of Lotus. Ford also owns Qvale (DeTamso) and has a partnership with Shebly, Panoz and Saleen.
Volkswagen/Audi Group owns Bentley, Buggati, Seat, Skoda, most of Lambourghini (theres a couple more, I believe)
BMW owns Rolls Royce, Mini, Triumph. Partnership with Mercedes.
Fiat sorta/kinda/not really owns Ferrari (thats why they can't be in GT), recently reaquired Maerati, owns Alfa Romeo, Lancia.
Some Russian millionare owns TVR
MG is independent (the only British brand that still is).
AC Cars Europe is independent but has a partnership with Ford.
Jensen Healey is Independent.
I don't know about Puegot.

 

[stinkfistZ06]

i no mercedes owns chrysler, but i was listing it as a group and not listing chrysler as a part becasue everyone knows they are in it. During the takeover they tried to make it seem as a merger

MG is officially dead
Ferrari is completely owned by fiat
the rest of the lotus stock is owned by a malaysian company
ford does not own Qvale, they supply cobra engines for them. It is called Qvale and not DeTomaso becasue the guy who bought the rights is named Qvale, bruce i think.

 

[niky]

Alfa Romeo, Lancia and Maserati are all completely under Fiat Automotive. Thus, Alfa and Lancia are in the game.

Maserati USED to be under Ferrari, thus ISN'T.

Ferrari is NOT under Fiat Auto, but under the parent company, thus requires separate licensing.

Proton has a controlling stake in Lotus. I didn't realize GM was still in there somewhere...???

Strange there's no Lambos, as it is completely under the VW umbrella now.

Peugot owns (or owned) Citroen... paradoxically, as they compete with each other for the same market segments and in the same motorsports.

MG-Rover is now in receivership, with parts of the brand and its manufacturing capabilities owned by a bunch of Chinese businessmen, English businessmen, and BMW (the Mini name).

GM's stake in Isuzu, Suzuki, Subaru and Daewoo lets it play around with re-branded (rip-offs) vehicles, but this goes both ways. Take note that Daewoo is still an active brand in Korea, but is now marketed as Chevy in Asia and Suzuki in the US. Suzuki and Isuzu still have their own vehicles and development platforms, but most of these aren't for the US market, such as the Suzuki Swift, APV and the Jimny/Samurai platforms, and the Isuzu trucks and utility vehicles, plus the odd SUV or pick-up.

One might argue that GM's compact US pick-ups are actually ripped-off of Isuzu, but then, with GM, who knows WHERE anything came from anymore?

 

[SportWagon]

Back to used car lot oddities.

So I had looked at the lots one night, and decided to make my decision before racing the next day. But then I forgot and finished British GT Championship, and the lots changed.

So, I went back to my backup card, thinking I might trade the cars into my main game using memory-card trade (caveat; doing that will mean the cars won't be added to the arcade line-up).

So I looked at the lots. Sort of a sandy-coloured Fiat'65. Eh! I've already got a bluebottle-green one and there's not much to do with those funny little cars anyway... Wait for a red or metallic orange one.

Isuzu Bennet; beige; not too different from the orange one I have--the black hood's a little more striking with the beige, but it's not worth the purchase.

Mitsubishi Colt/GTO thingy. Nice orange colour. But I've got a blue one, and you can buy that car any time you want under Classics.

That left only a 1981 Toyota Celica. So I bought it on my backup game in preparation for memory-card trade.

But then I go to my main game, and realize the 1981 Toyota Celica is still there in the Historical lot; some colour (Super White) even.

But after purchasing it, I compare the mileage and realize the one I bought had 6000 more miles than the one the previous week. So either we assume they weren't the same car, or that someone managed to put 6000 miles on it in the week while I was racing.

Of course, we can deem it's not the same car since I could have purchased both instances legitimately in one game. Which suggests it might be more interesting if the "sold out" could carry forward from week-to-week in some cases. "sold-out", and taking a day to purchase a car, are generally good gameplay ideas. In previous versions of GT you could simply repeatedly buy an arbitrary number of copies of the same used car, which seemed a little unrealisitic. (I used to, however, find that a convenient way to count the number of free garage slots in GT1, and thereby infer the number of cars I had in my garage).

 

[Pupik]

Of course, we can deem it's not the same car since I could have purchased both instances legitimately in one game. Which suggests it might be more interesting if the "sold out" could carry forward from week-to-week in some cases. "sold-out", and taking a day to purchase a car, are generally good gameplay ideas. In previous versions of GT you could simply repeatedly buy an arbitrary number of copies of the same used car, which seemed a little unrealisitic. (I used to, however, find that a convenient way to count the number of free garage slots in GT1, and thereby infer the number of cars I had in my garage).

You could always buy '78 Mirages at under 10k each all day (days?) long; unfortunately '88 Silvias have gone up in value since they were quite overpriced in GT3.

 

[Scaff]

Alfa Romeo, Lancia and Maserati are all completely under Fiat Automotive. Thus, Alfa and Lancia are in the game.

Maserati USED to be under Ferrari, thus ISN'T.

Ferrari is NOT under Fiat Auto, but under the parent company, thus requires separate licensing.

Spot on 👍

Proton has a controlling stake in Lotus. I didn't realize GM was still in there somewhere...???

Proton effectively own Lotus, having provided the bulk of the capitol that Lotus are using to develop new models. GM have no current share/stake in Lotus, but Lotus do still carry out consultancy, development, build and design work for them, all under contract.

Strange there's no Lambos, as it is completely under the VW umbrella now.

True, but we didn't get Bugatti either, however just because they are part of the same company, doesn't mean that PD would get the licence. The VAG group are going to ask a lot more for a Lambo licence than the VW (or Seat) one.

Peugot owns (or owned) Citroen... paradoxically, as they compete with each other for the same market segments and in the same motorsports.

Peugot still own Citroen, but the level of competition in both passenger car markets and motorsport has been going on for quite a few years now.

Take note that Daewoo is still an active brand in Korea, but is now marketed as Chevy in Asia and Suzuki in the US.

Daewoo are now sold at Chevy in Europe now as well, I still find it hard to take seriously a Matiz with a Chevy badge on the front.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Leonidae]

Daewoo are now sold at Chevy in Europe now as well, I still find it hard to take seriously a Matiz with a Chevy badge on the front.

Regards

Scaff

think about the bright side..: finally americans have made small, nimble cars with good economy and suspension that ain't soft as chocolate pudding.. and they're reasonably priced too..

 

[Pupik]

...small, nimble cars with good economy and suspension that ain't soft as chocolate pudding...

It's easy to be nimble when driving a Daewoo becuase they shed car parts like trees drop leaves; thus instant weight reduction, and therefore, nimble handling.

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

Untill it sheds a wheel

 

[SportWagon]

A friend where I worked (over 15 years ago) had that happen to his late-model Subaru (about a 1980 model). I.e. it broke a half-shaft. Rear, I think.

On a highway/freeway in Toronto--where the 404 meets the DVP and the 401, if you know Toronto. He did live to tell the tale, but it was, needless to say, scarey.