Whats with the TommyKaira ZZII handling like such a damn pig??

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I mean, it only weighs about 1000kg for crying out loud! :crazy:

Is it the combination of MR layout and 4WD drivetrain? The Veyron and Mucielago seem to be fair pigs too, so maybe that’s the common factor?

Im sure it can be tuned out a little, but its fairly disappointing when you’re expecting such a beast (which it still is – it just handles like crap)

Maybe because its just a prototype?

Any other speculation?
 
I speculate you should use the search button to find a tune for the Tommy. It's a beast with a good tune, nearly unbeatable in it's PP range.
 
Still haven't driven mine.. but I have to add to your list lol. FERRARI ENZO.
I agree with you in saying the stock veyron and murcielago both don't turn. But these two are understandable, since they're quite heavy. Not sure about the TK though..
 
maybe i'm looking through rose tinted specs, but I remember it in gt3 as such an amazing car, it was my favourite and I was a little disappointed with it in this game :(
 
You cant slap every part onto a car and expect it to handle amazingly. 99.9% of the time, you'll need to at least give it a mild settings tweak.
 
VTiRoj
You cant slap every part onto a car and expect it to handle amazingly. 99.9% of the time, you'll need to at least give it a mild settings tweak.
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Yeah, understandable of course, just wanting to figure out exactly what it is about the makeup of this car that makes it handle the way it does...

Something technical? (physics of MR + 4WD combo?)

Something more simple? (it was always powerful and cool-looking, but perhaps still just a dodgy prototype that was never refined for production?)

Hmmm... :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Or then it's the fact that the stock VCD value is 50/50.. try changing it to something like 30/70 and magic happens.
 
Leonidae@MFT
Or then it's the fact that the stock VCD value is 50/50.. try changing it to something like 30/70 and magic happens.
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Oooohhh... that could be interesting... will try it tonight...

Does that then suggest its moreso the 4WD drivetrain that causes its handling issues? But I suppose you dont get that with lancers/WRX/other 4WD.

Difference being that its MR though... So perhaps it doesnt matter how damn light it is - if its *BOTH* 4WD and MR - it will still struggle with agility...

Am I the only one that thinks this is really interesting? In most instances a sportscar of only 1000Kg doesnt handle anything like the ZZII...

I think that maybe looking at other LIGHTWEIGHT, MR, 4WD cars could provide a good insight :) Will have to check it out...
 
guitrsol93
Still haven't driven mine.. but I have to add to your list lol. FERRARI ENZO.
I agree with you in saying the stock veyron and murcielago both don't turn. But these two are understandable, since they're quite heavy. Not sure about the TK though..
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Enzo is not 4WD. The ZZII isn't bad with a good tune and the SuperVeloce is very good with a bit of tuning.
 
kickin_on
Oooohhh... that could be interesting... will try it tonight...

Does that then suggest its moreso the 4WD drivetrain that causes its handling issues? But I suppose you dont get that with lancers/WRX/other 4WD.

Difference being that its MR though... So perhaps it doesnt matter how damn light it is - if its *BOTH* 4WD and MR - it will still struggle with agility...

Am I the only one that thinks this is really interesting? In most instances a sportscar of only 1000Kg doesnt handle anything like the ZZII...

I think that maybe looking at other LIGHTWEIGHT, MR, 4WD cars could provide a good insight :) Will have to check it out...
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More important than the weight is weight distribution., in MR, the light front end will only get lighter when you accelerate out of corner, which can lead to understeer. Add the fact that a big amount of horses and torque is shoved up to the already lightly loaded front wheels, and recipe for disaster is ready. This is also why RUF CTR2 is dreadful to drive as is.
 
^ He speaks the truth.

Its a very light car. This is fine by itself, but the engine is nearly 2/5ths of that weight and is positioned much closer to the back than the front. The 50:50 torque split only makes the problem even worse.
 
Leonidae@MFT
More important than the weight is weight distribution., in MR, the light front end will only get lighter when you accelerate out of corner, which can lead to understeer. Add the fact that a big amount of horses and torque is shoved up to the already lightly loaded front wheels, and recipe for disaster is ready. This is also why RUF CTR2 is dreadful to drive as is.
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Toronado
^ He speaks the truth.

Its a very light car. This is fine by itself, but the engine is nearly 2/5ths of that weight and is positioned much closer to the back than the front. The 50:50 torque split only makes the problem even worse.
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Both great insights. Cheers guys.

Interesting to note that the particular percentage of the car's total weight that the engine makes up, has such a great effect on the car's handling (due to the physics involved in its weight transfer)

Perhaps when viewing/recording/analysing car data, this is something that should be included along with other usual statistics like total weight, engine position, drivetrain layout, power etc



"Weight of engine as a percentage of total weight" when looked at in relation to the position of the engine should be alble to tell you alot about the handling characteristics of that car.

And then of course drivetrain layout comes into play... with the above also having a large impact on the already-well-known characteristics of various drivetrains.



This type of data could be an extremely valuable tool in assessing a car's handling characteristics, and in tuning (suspension, ballast).

If this data was commonly presented along with what we are already familiar with, we would also be able to form a much more specific picture of what a particular car's handling characteristics are expected to be like.


What do you think, guys?

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Actually, this is a bit of a tangent and getting slightly off topic from the thread title... Probably should be in it's own thread... Creating now...
 
Keep in mind that I'm only assuming that PD modeled the car properly. That might not be the actual reason the car drives so poorly.
 
Toronado
Keep in mind that I'm only assuming that PD modeled the car properly. That might not be the actual reason the car drives so poorly.
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Thats also true, and the 'dodgy unrefined concept car' theorey still may have some substance to it, but as far as weight, positions, transfer and percentages are concerned, I reckon PD have got it mostly covered :)
 
Ok cool thanks for that - ive actually removed it from my favourites list because its giving me the absolute ****s... Might have to pull it out again and maybe treat it as project car to try and make it somewhat enjoyable to drive...
 

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