Where would you consider the line for unfair driving?

[VRracingfan]

At what do you think someone should be kicked from a lobby or where you think you have just gone a bit too far in that last race?

 

[PAWEL17]

Crashing into you, on purpose, just before the final turn.

 

[HyenaZERO]

Crashing into you, on purpose, just before the final turn.

Conversely, being the victim of that and winning because they knocked you into a more direct line through the turn: Priceless

My entry would be multi-move blocking. Closing the door on someone in a turn is one thing, but darting back and forth preventing all passing is just being a jerk.

 

[racer39658]

The only deal breaker is obvious intentional impact. It's hard to tell sometimes if someone hits you because, on their screen, you're jumping back and forth due to lag, and everyone blows a brake marker now and then. But when someone swerves and dives at you hard on a straight, you know their intent.

EDIT: Driving backwards when they know they've been beaten is also a deal breaker for me. A true racer will keep racing, regardless of finish, if only to practice.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I'm betting this thread probably has a duplicate somewhere. I tried searching but couldn't find it, but I'm sure it's there!

Anyways, I recently did a race online at Madrid Mini, and I was host of the room. In the very first lap I wound up falling from like 4th place to 9th after navigating the tight hairpin poorly. Anyways, towards the back of the pack were all the sharks. and this one driver seemed to see me coming up behind him. I had got a better exit coming out of the fountain area, while this :censored:er was sliding around. He sees me coming up behind him and just as I'm about to pass, forced me against the wall!

I was so mad. As host of the room, I realized I had the power to get rid of this turkey (everyone else in the room was respectful) but I'd have to exit the race. Screw it! I exited the race (fortunately, this didn't mean the race now ended) and started playing track marshall.

That's where I draw the line: if something unfair is going on and I can do something about it. I'm not afraid to take control.

Others have posted this, but I'm finding that those rooms with the following turned off tend to have least problems...

Boost...

Skid Force Recovery...

sometimes Active Steering...

Turning off Boost and SRF just about guarantees the punters will not enter one of my rooms; that example above at Madrid was a bit of a rarity for me. Setting Sports or Comfort tires as best for slower cars (rather than Racing Soft) also generally scares off the less respectful. They're usually interested in entering a room with Boost, RAcing Soft tires, SRF ON, and will usually ignore my room. 👍

 

[gtuned]

I think it's corner cutting, Purposeful ramming, pitting, and excessive blocking. A few occasional taps and bumps is fine, It's racing. You're not gonna get away clean all the time. But purposely running up someones back end at 120 while they're braking, or pitting a driver should certainly get you kicked out.

 

[poolhaas]

Swinging all over the road when you try to overtake and shoving people off the road in corners, that's on top of the list for me

 

[The Stalker]

Whenever I'm hosting, if I see someone blatantly corner cutting (and I mean cutting the corner by a lot and at full power), I will kick them immediately. To me it's almost as bad as ramming.

Also to the comment about rooms with boost being used; In my rooms, I'll sometimes set the boost to low to ensure some close pack racing. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've never experienced dirty racers whilst using boost.

 

[Vitzio]

bumping people into the grass and walls.

 

[maxi25]

Ramming people off the road when they catch up to you. Back when Hot Pursuit came out I was playing online and kept coming in first. Apparently one of the other racers wasn't too happy about it and started ramming me off the road whenever I caught up with him. Too bad I don't remember who he was so I could give him a little payback.

 

[Thaddaeus]

I'm betting this thread probably has a duplicate somewhere. I tried searching but couldn't find it, but I'm sure it's there!

Yes, it is there. Somewhere

OT: Kicking each and everyone who dares to overtake me ?

 

[Yev]

On-purpose rammers.
Immature people.
French people.

 

[Knelly]

French people.

👍

 

[sesselpupser]

I don't really race often, but I do spend a fair bit of time in drift lobbies. Those who drive AWD cars (in the past few days I've seen a LOT of this), those who decide to just stop on the track for no reason or do burnouts where others who are trying to drift will crash into them, those who intentionally tap you while you're drifting so you spin... All of these are pretty unfair driving.

 

[sketch424]

if I host a room and someone has been ramming anybody or driving like a complete tool then I'll kick them I dislike it I dont care if theres rubbing of pain and touching and stuff thats normal especially when a race is really close and bumper view has a barrier 6 ft in front of you. (sort it out!)

but anything that seems intentionally done ramming/cutting/wrong way driving I kick people for.

 

[sesselpupser]

if I host a room and someone has been ramming anybody or driving like a complete tool then I'll kick them I dislike it I dont care if theres rubbing of pain and touching and stuff thats normal especially when a race is really close and bumper view has a barrier 6 ft in front of you. (sort it out!)

but anything that seems intentionally done ramming/cutting/wrong way driving I kick people for.

If the rammer doesn't slow down or stop for the rammee (that's a word now), I consider it unfair. Even professional drivers make huge mistakes which can look intentional (if you watch F1, Barrichello made one such move against Rosberg (was it Rosberg?) last weekend), but as long as the rammer doesn't gain from the accident I'm ok with it. I play by that rule myself on the rare occasion I do race, I'm not the best racer so I do make some pretty big misjudgements which result in ruining someone else's race, but I apologise and let them go in front.

 

[iamjajo]

I'd use the same logic as the SCCA:

Rules of the Road
You will find the core rules for on-course conduct in a few paragraphs in section 6.11.1. The rules are very simple.

Avoid Physical Contact
All drivers are responsible for avoiding physical contact [6.11.1.A]. In everyday terms, this means that whatever harebrained, low-percentage, late-braking move the other driver makes, you may not hit him or her if you can avoid it. Many driver-to-driver protests for contact end up with both parties reprimanded for not avoiding contact.
Contrary to popular belief, the concept of “incidental contact” does not exist in the GCR. Making avoidable contact is never acceptable in SCCA Club Racing.

Racing Room
All drivers have a right to racing room on the track [6.11.1.B]. We define this as “sufficient space on the marked racing surface that under racing conditions, a driver can maintain control of his car in close quarters.”
You must always allow your competitor at least a car width, plus a bit, on the racing surface. Any attempt to “impede or affect the path” of a competitor attempting to pass can be interpreted as denying him racing room. Thus, if your competitor comes alongside you as you approach a turn, even if he or she has not completely passed you, you cannot simply turn in and force the other car off the road. You must give racing room. In this example, your competitor has the corner; give it up, and try to re-pass on exit.

Shared Responsibility
The passing driver is responsible for “the decision to pass another car and to accomplish it safely” [6.11.1.D]. The overtaken driver is responsible to “be aware that he is being passed and not to impede or block the overtaking car.” A driver who fails to use his or her mirrors, or who appears to be blocking another is liable to penalty.

The biggest problem adapting these rules to racing in the GT5 game is the very limited visibility when using cockpit or bumper views. Because of this vision issue, I would place more responsibility on the overtaking driver to maneuver safely when passing.

I also believe in the rules for racing surface used in other series. Drivers must keep at least 2 tires on the racing surface. Four wheels across the painted lines or over the curb is a drive through penalty.

Did you notice there is no mention of something called a racing line? That's because the phrase is usually used as part of a driver's excuse for contact. As in, 'I held my line. It must be his fault.' It is not a rule.

 

[MasterFocus]

On-purpose rammers.
Immature people.
French people.

I hope you realize that its pretty immature from yourself to kick french people.

 

[rennsport27]

^ Pretty sure he was kidding. And, anyways, he's Canadian, which is almost as bad.

 

[oblivionskate]

^ Pretty sure he was kidding. And, anyways, he's Canadian, which is almost as bad.

great

 

[SKOT_FREE]

People Manji Drifting on tracks is annoying especially when there are more than 5 cars behind them. I don't have a problem with contact during races, but when a guy goes out of his way to ram you it's a Kickable offense.

 

[tyl0r_r]

People faster than me.

Not really.. what I really am starting to hate is people slamming the brake in front of you down a straight so you'll bump draft them. More like so you'll smash into them and send them flying while losing your momentum. Bump drafting in GT5 is weird, people are doing it in every kind of car now.

 

[Lc-Rwd]

Whenever your on a straight and drafting and then they push the brake n u hit them and get a penalty making u slow down. Hate that with a passion!!

And corner cuts lol

 

[Joker-GTBR]

"checking into the boards", ramming the car into a wall when you're nearly overtaking it in a straight.