Which Car?

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I need a first car, project is what I am looking for (I'm doing numerous automotive mechanics and maintenence courses)

The choice is now, what to buy...

Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT-Cheap ones are very rusty and unreliable but once fixed are a fantastic drive

Alfa Romeo 33 1.5 - Sweet Chassis, Cool Engine and an exhaust that sounds like a rex. Better than a rex, it's an Alfa. Problem is that these go rusty very easily and are FWD :(, I have a friend with a friend with one of these for sale.

Alfa Romeo 75 2.5 - If I'm going to buy one then I need a fair bit of money, these cars aren't cheap but are fu**ing fantastic!!!!

VW Golf Mk1 - Cheap, reliable, BORING esp in Auto

Toyota Celica Mk1, Mk2, Mk3 - reliable and japanese

Mitsubishi Scorpion - A 2 Door Sigma, 2.6 Four Cylinder and RWD make an interesting drive, not well built, terrible rust problems, thirsty engine.

Subaru L1800 Wagon - Beilieve it or not these things go fast when pushed. AWD is expensive to repair as there are two lots of things to go wrong.

Ford Falcon V8 / Holden Commodore V8 - Cheap Grunt, 5.0 Litre V8s in either, they are boring, usually in Auto and very heavy, not to mention the factor of fuel and the killer insurance costs.

What do you think, remember I live in OZ so no Mustangs, Camaros, Trans Ams etc
 
if your on a budget i would get something local like the commodore, althought they are plain, slow and drink fuel. i dont know your budget or what your really after. but anyway here are some suggestions

R31 skyline (good performance, nice and not two expensive)
S13 silvia (SR20 if you can afford, fast)
DR30 or HR31 skylines (if you can afford, fast and good looking)
MA61 or MA70 supra (if you can find one and can afford)
maybe a AW11 MR2 (sporty)
insurance may be expensive on the imports
if i knew more info on what your after i could suggest alot more

ive had some bad experiences with alfa romeos, so i personally would keep away

BTW where are you doing your automotive courses, i did 1 year of automotive at o'halloren hill tafe
 
Have you looked in the advertiser? There are heap's of cheap and good car's in there.
 
I'm doing my Automotive Certificate One through the Vehicle Technology Eduction Centre at Wingfield, the course itself is run through TAFE, and a car maintenence course at the WEA in Adelaide.
 
Originally posted by radicool02
Have you looked in the advertiser? There are heap's of cheap and good car's in there.

True, I also get the trading post weekly, Nissan/Datsun Bluebirds and Mitsu Sigmas seem to be the majority of cars under 3000
 
Some time's there are mustang's in the cars of distinction section of the advertiser.:)

EDIT: Just realised your budget...get more money then buy a mustang>:lol:
 
Originally posted by sliderulz
I'm doing my Automotive Certificate One through the Vehicle Technology Eduction Centre at Wingfield, the course itself is run through TAFE, and a car maintenence course at the WEA in Adelaide.

yeah i completed my certificate I and II at o'halloran hill, but they didnt teach me much i already did know

hmm 2 grand, well say a 910 bluebird series III would be a good choice, i just had a mate with a 910 bluebird with a SR20DET in it sell it for just over 2 grand (wasnt street legal but FAST).
 
I'm doing my certificate 1 through my school (it's a year 12 voc studies course) i'm doing it in year 11 on top of my other subjects, it goes for a semester and is SACE recognised. The WEA course is pretty basic but still pretty informative

I have a mate with two Alfas. He's been driving Alfa's since he was 15. He got a 1980 Giuleietta 2.0 (twin carb), and an 87 75 2.5 V6 (very very fast), he swears by them and doesn't have many problems.
 
Well the only thing with Alfa's really is the build quality.

I've got a '93 Alfa Romeo 33 Imola (1.4Ie, which is the 1350cc engine with fuel injection, marketed in the netherlands as the 1.4)

What year's your mates car? If it's a series one don't touch it :)

So far I've had little problems with the car itself, in the 2.5 years I've got it the only major repairs where exhuast and brake lines (front). If you treat the engine right (never trash it after a cold start, keep it under 3k revs until it the engine is at temp.) The engine itself is almost undestructable. It's the little things around it that will brake down first, central locking, switches, electric windows etc.

Also I have so far no problems with rust. (this car is aways parked outside). I persoanly think Alfa's have about the same chance to rust that just about any other car out there.
The reputaion Alfa got for beeing rustbuckets is sadly derived from one single model (Alfasud) for which cheaper less thick steel was used at the start of it's manufacturing. (something Jaguar actually did with the E-type too!)

Hmm... not sure if this is helpfull in any way :)
Anyhow, it's a decent enough car, has both the ability to be sporty and comphy without been excesisve either way.
 
my mate had a 83 Alfa romeo sprint 1.5 veloice, it had inboard front disc brakes, that are held together with long allen key bolts, one day we heard some weird noises, so we got a mate to tow us, a couple hundreds meters down the road the brake discs fell out and we had NO brakes and smashed in the back of the car towing us.
he got the car fixed parts where hard to find and expensive. the damn thing started rusting like crazy everywhere!!!. then one day we noticed coolant pooring out one of the heads (Horizontaly opposed engine). so we gave up on it. also his uncle deals in Alfas and most of them seem to rust.
i understand that not all alfa's are like this, it just but me off alfa altogether
 
I think it is a series two, the 1.5 Ti otherwise it is a series one GCL 1.5. Has some pretty nice mags, New exhaust manifold will set me back 110 AUD, pipe is 15 bucks a metre. It has a muffler with twin exhausts exiting it, chrome tips. no bumpers though, my friend checked it out last night and says, rough but good. its a 1985 thats done 180000 kms

Apparantly they've taken on 180SX turbos, a VL V8 commie and a Supra RZ over its life and they beat all of them, he said you can get a turbo kit for it, he had one on there for a little while before buying a newer 33 and then he put it all on that, thus the fact it has no exhaust system (except muffler) or bumpers
 
Originally posted by Axe_Gaijin
Well the only thing with Alfa's really is the build quality.

The reputaion Alfa got for beeing rustbuckets is sadly derived from one single model (Alfasud) for which cheaper less thick steel was used at the start of it's manufacturing. (something Jaguar actually did with the E-type too!)

Well, the 33 is really a Sud under the skin... They are cool cars though
 
which standard alfa do you say beats standard RPS13's (180sx SR20DET) and JZA80 supras??

BTW VL V8s are slow VN V6's can keep up and even beat them
 
Alfa Romeo 33 1.5 Ti- Pod Filter, Good Exhaust..and he was revving it to 9,000! BTW the 180SX was driven by one of those female types :rolleyes:
 
what type of 180SX was it SR20 or CA18 ethier way doesnt really matter. a SR20DET 180SX in stock form can nudge in the high 13's, my mate with a 180sx with a exhaust, pod filter ran a 13.7 at A.I.R and could run better. in stock form a 180sx has about 130-135KW(SR) at the Wheels 12xxkg
a CA18 would run low to mid 14's (standard)
a supra RZ (JZA80) runs low 13's standard, and no probs into the 12's with some mods.
 
Yeah, this is 300kg's lighter, i dont know what engine this is going back a coupla years, all they heard was the turbo spool up and the blow off valve so they revved it up and waited for the lights, the 180SX was in front at first but the 33 caught up and went passed (coulda been a auto 180SX you know how chicks are)
 
My mates new 75 V6 2.5 runs high fifteens, this is a four door luxury car too with 113kW. The 33 I'm going to look at on Saturday lives at Glen Osmond so i'll check how fast it goes on a test drive with my mate (there is no exhaust or rego so I pray to god we dont get caught)
 
This might interest you :)
Alfa 33 Mechanical History
During the late 1960's, Alfa Romeo wanted to extend their range downwards and employed Rudolf Hruska to design a new car and factory. The project was part financed by the Italian Government with a mixture of a subsidy and a low interest loan. In exchange the factory was to be built in Southern Italy, and this concept donated its name to the car, resulting in the Alfasud.
The car was designed from a virtually clean sheet of paper. It used a front mounted liquid cooled horizontally opposed 4 cylinder engine varying from 1086cc up to 1490c.The engine employed was an all new with a one piece cast iron block with cross bolted big ends. This resulted in a strong engine block but without loosing the possibility of servicing the pistons and crankshaft with the engine in place. The cylinder heads were two piece cast alloy each with a separate single overhead camshaft driven by toothed belt. The camshafts act in a separate carrier cast in alloy and using two camshaft lobes per valve. Each camshaft follower was fitted with a screw adjuster for the valve clearances, operated with an allen key passed through a hole in the camshaft between the two lobes. The main cylinder head castings were identical, with the camshaft carriers being different between each bank. Cast alloy inlet manifolds were fitted, which were heated by the engines cooling system. The water pump was a cast alloy item bolted to the front of the engine and driven by the same belt as the alternator. Water was taken from the bottom of the front mounted radiator and into the water pump. From there it passed into each bank of cylinders and out through the cooling passages in the inlet manifolds. From there the liquid passed to the thermostat and on either back to the radiator or back to the water pump. Water for the heater was taken from the thermostat and passed back to the water pump. The engine was mounted in line with the gearbox and clutch directly behind.

Front suspension employed struts with two horizontal links on each side and an anti role bar. The steering rack was mounted high on the bulkhead between the engine and passenger compartment. The car employed a double bulkhead, with the front one acting as a brace between the top strut mounts. The space between the bulkheads held the battery, brake master cylinder, heater, fusebox and the windscreen wiper motor and mechanism.
Rear suspension employed a beam axle with a pair of leading and trailing links. To provide lateral location a very long panhard rod was used. The petrol tank was position in front of the back axle, with the filler mounted high on the left hand side.The braking system employed disks on both the front and the back. The front disks were mounted inboard with the callipers mounted on the gearbox casing. The handbrake acted on the front brakes.Initially the car was released as a 4 door saloon, although the car had the appearance of a hatchback. The flat four engine allowed a low bonnet line and a large glass area. Soon after introduction a 2 door bodyshell for sporting variants. Basic model 2 door cars were homologated bet never released. Later a 2 door coupe was produced and also an estate version. In the cars final years both 3 and 5 door hatchback variants were launched.


The Alfasuds Replacement
By the 1980's the Alfasud was becoming dated, with road tests becoming more damning. A new design was needed and Alfa Romeo wanted to move the vehicle up market. This resulted in the Alfa 33 which was intended be positioned above the Alfasud and below the Guilietta. To pad out the lower end of the range they entered into a joint venture with Nissan to build a variant of the Nissan Cherry. This car employed Nissan bodyshell with rear suspension and brakes and an Alfa engine, gearbox and front suspension. It was sold as either the Alfa Arna or the Nissan Cherry Europe. Nissan design and Alfa build quality combined to kill this car early in its career.


And So Entered The 33
The 33 was initially launched as a normal small car, with the performance versions arriving a year later. UK models used either the 1351 or the 1490 engine (although a 1.2 version was available in some markets), using single or twin carburettor engines and a standard 5 speed gearbox. Initially all cars used a 4 door hatchback bodyshell, but later an estate version (called Giardinetta) was produced by Pininfarina. Cosmetically, early versions used an instrument panel that moved up and down with the steering wheel.

There were substantial mechanical changes for the 33 over the Sud, although they both shared a very similar basic architecture. Most obvious was the change to outboard front disk brakes (tiny little 239mm items) and the rear disks being dropped in favour of drums, with the handbrake moving to operate on the rear. The rear axle changed from a fabricated steel item to a steel tube, and the rear Panhard rod shrank to a fraction of the size used on the Sud. Although the front suspension was very similar to the Sud, most components are different (front drive shafts secured to the hubs using nuts instead of bolts, no front anti roll bar, different struts, different pattern of strut to hub bolts), and many complained that the handling was not as good. One thing they shared with the Sud that could have been happily changed was they use of metric wheels which gave owners a very limited choice of tyres (basically Michelin TRX's) at a high price. Fortunately, imperial size wheels of the same style are available but if you buy a car watch out. A set of TRX tyres in the correct size will cost almost as much as some aftermarket wheels and a set of tyres. To make life difficult for those wanting to use a 33 gearbox as a replacement for that in a Sud, the Speedo changed from mechanical to electronic operation.

As the car was developed Alfa launched a 4wd version (which in the UK was only available as an estate, and the only estate model) and the sporting Green Cloverleaf versions. The 4wd version was short lived in the UK, and at its local demise, Alfa launched an updated car (commonly known as the series 2). The UK was treated to 2 engine options (either a 105hp 1.5 TI version or a 118hp 1.7 Green cloverleaf version), with the option if a body styling kit fitted by the importers to destroy the rust protection (the Veloce version). For the series 2 the UK also received a front wheel drive 1.7 estate (now called Sportwagon), again with the option of the Veloce kit. Happily, Alfa had stopped using the metric wheels which must have saved owners vast sums of money.

These series 2 cars were well made in comparison to the series 1 and to other cars of the same age (such as the ford Escort), and performed well. Handling was upset by the power the front wheels were now being asked to transmit and torque steer became part of the fun of owning one. The steering was also quite heavy with the 185 section front tyres, but fortunately for the 1.7 versions the brakes were improved by the fitment of vented front disks (although still of the same pathetically small size). Most (if not all) UK cars were fitted with small clear plastic deflectors around the front windows. The interior was heavily revised and the clocks no longer moved up and down with the steering wheel.

For some markets a 3 cylinder 1.8 diesel version was offered, along with the smaller engined and 4wd cars. There was also a injected and catalysed version available for those countries with strict emisions standards.

In 1990, Alfa launched the the final version of the 33. The styling was substantially changed, with the headlights sloping down from the bonnet and the bumper raised slightly to give the appearance than the nose was lower. The rear lights were updated to more closely resemble those of the 164, and the front and rear windows were flush mounted. The car lost its guttering to try and further smooth out the cars shape. The front suspension was revised for the 16v version and the rear suspension was heavily updated.

All UK version were fitted with fuel injection, using either 1.5 (100hp) or 1.7 (110hp) 8 valve engines or a 1.7 16v (137hp) engine. Shortly after launch a version was launched with a perminant 4wd system (called the P4) using the 16 valve engine. Although the 4wd system added a substantial amount of weight, the acceleration from rest was improved over the 2wd version due to the virtual impossibility of getting the wheels to spin.

Although an option in some markets, all UK cars were fitted with power steering, and from the end of 1992 a catalytic converter became standard.

In 1994 the 33 was phased out of production to be replaced with the 145 and 146, which initially also used the flat 4 engines (either the 1400, 1600 or 1700 16v). These were far more mainstream cars, and lost much of the 33's fun. It did not help that the engines lost power for the sake of emisions and that the 145/6 was a substantially heavier car.
 
It is a series one, a 1985 Alfa Romeo 33 (SL or GCL I'm not sure). It has the 1490cc engine and about 65kW (90 something hp) with the five speed manual. I would like to put twin Dellortos on it (possibly four, one per cylinder but this would make the thing near impossible to drive on the road), paint it red, sports air filters for the new carbies, wooden steering wheel, chrome gearknob.
 
But an '85 33 1490 isn't bad for 700AUD!, needs some TLC, paint is a little rough and there is a little rust but parts aren't too bad (to find and pricewise). It needs a new set of extractors (quoted $40 from the Euro Alfa Motor Company in Adelaide) and a couple of bumpers (quoted 330 a pair at city dismantlers adelaide or 70 for a rear one from the Euro Alfa Motor Company)
 

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