which is best?: Jaguar XJ220, RUF CTR2, Viper GTS-R, Aston V8 Vantage or Zonda C12S?

[ac3knight]

Jaguar XJ220
RUF CTR2
Viper GTS-R
Aston V8 Vantage
Zonda C12S

Which of the above is the best to invest in?
And also, can sum 1 rank the cars for mi?
thanks
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[Jay]

you could have done a poll

anyway i would invest in the Viper GTSR

 

[ac3knight]

btw which is better? 4wd, MR or FR?
between MR and FR which oversteers more?
thanks

 

[ac3knight]

anyway, is the RUF CTR2 a modified Porsche 911 Turbo?

 

[Jay]

4wd is the easiest
MR is the fastest
FR is my favorite

as for which oversteers more it depends on the car and settings

RUF produces extra high performance porsches
i dont know exactly what model the CTR2 is based on

 

[Vasco]

Zonda C12S is a pretty good car, but you have to learn to control it, and when it's stock it's at its best... Same issues with the GTS/R, but the C12S would be your best bet I guess.

 

[bengee]

4wd:
fastest initial acceleration
easiest handling abilities for beginners

fr:
not spectular acceleration
easy to oversteer
high inertial moment that makes all actions in the car extreme and takes more work to correct for mistakes
weight is in front (engine) and back (gears) which gives it the high inertial moment with 50-50 weight balance...

mr:
not spectacular acceleration
lowest inertial moment which makes all actions more pronounced but takes less steering or acceleration input to correct.
hardest to learn to be good at... esp when starting with 4wd or fr... easiest to get fast in...

the ctr2 is a 993 911 i believe its based on either the 4s ( which already has 4wd) or the turbo with 4wd conversion...

Ruf does not simply modify to give higher performance... as a tuner would... they basically change most parts of hte car... the chassis.... suspension... engine mods... and create a new car just as rinspeed would with there porsches or vipers...

 

[Sheron]

bengee

 

[SkylineObsession]

Jaguar XJ220 (8/10) - Nice looking, nice sounding and nice handling car with super slicks
RUF CTR2 (9 1/2 /10) - Very nice sounding, very nice looking and goes like a rocket.
Viper GTS-R (5 1/2 /10) - Looks alright sounds good handles really good.
Aston V8 Vantage (5/10) - Looks and sounds good but too slippery.
Zonda C12S (7/10) - Lotsa power and looks/sounds and handles good too.

 

[Driftster]

The CTR2 is it's own car, since RUF has gotten liscencing from Germany and is now it's own maneufacturing company, but if you go past the legalities the CTR2 in the game is a recreation of a previous car the Yellow Bird, in which only 3 are in running order now, and they are AWD 911's I believe,bad azz cars IRL, crappy cars overall in the game. The Viper GTS is an awesome car, but in the comparison I did in a separate thread "Brute force" The V8 Vanquish had the viper beat in lap times and top speed, the only thing the viper had the V8 beat in was the 400M. The Zonda C12S, is by far the best one in this list, seeing as how it's one of the 3 cars on that list that are more than enough to spank the higher up LM cars(R390 GTOne), not only that but it looks bad azz. The XJ220 isn't one of my favorite cars in the game but I must give credit where credit is due seeing as how it's one of the most bad azz cars IRL ever to be producedd. So, #1 C12S #2 Viper GTS(Due to modding capabilities) #3 V8 Vanquish(due to stock capabilities) #4 XJ220, Since it used to hold the world record for fastest stock car. #5 Ruf CTR2

 

[bengee]

The "yellow bird" you are talking about is hte CTR which is also a RUF... it was based upon the 1987 911 turbo

Ruf produced two version of 993 type cars... one in 4wd and one with rear wheel drive... "The CTR 2 is based on the Porsche 993 chassis with a powerplant inspired by the magificent turbocharged Group C Porsche 962"...

the CTR2 was much more than once the fastest stock car ( in CTR form)... it employed many racecar technologies that were a first in street legal machines...
i would personally place the CTR2 at the top of the list IRL... but the game adds a bit too much grip which results in nasty understeer to deal with all the time... even so this car is a beast... drive it only with a stock engine... and some mods here and there for chassis imporvement and of course tires...

BY FAR THIS IS THE BEST LOOKING OF ALL THE CARS LISTED... its just so.... provoking of awe

BTW the 993 911 4s is also a 4wd 911... and i am sure there are others... I think that the CTR, CTR2, BTR2 and BTR4 were all based on turbo models of 911 chassis... which were ofcourse completely different when RUF was finished with them

 

[Driftster]

Bengee I know the Yellow bird is a CTR which is RUF, I used to talk to the guy that owned 2 of the 3 functional AWD yellow Birds in existance. The thing is we never got to see PD's workmanship with the yellowbird, we got a Remake of the yellowbird, which could or couldn't be better, I don't know I've never driven either. But in terms of the GAME, the CTR2 isn't that great of a car.

 

[bengee]

i do not know anyone who has driven an RUF... lol...

in terms of the game i would prolly choose the c12 just because its nore useful... other than that you should go with the car that inspires you the most...

 

[Solid Lifters]

The Viper. The Zonda is not a bad choice, but I like the Viper a lot better.

 

[240drift]

Originally posted by bengee
4wd:
fastest initial acceleration
easiest handling abilities for beginners

fr:
not spectular acceleration
easy to oversteer
high inertial moment that makes all actions in the car extreme and takes more work to correct for mistakes
weight is in front (engine) and back (gears) which gives it the high inertial moment with 50-50 weight balance...

mr:
not spectacular acceleration
lowest inertial moment which makes all actions more pronounced but takes less steering or acceleration input to correct.
hardest to learn to be good at... esp when starting with 4wd or fr... easiest to get fast in...

the ctr2 is a 993 911 i believe its based on either the 4s ( which already has 4wd) or the turbo with 4wd conversion...

Ruf does not simply modify to give higher performance... as a tuner would... they basically change most parts of hte car... the chassis.... suspension... engine mods... and create a new car just as rinspeed would with there porsches or vipers...

The Porsche 911 Turbo is already 4wd. I am pretty sure the ctr2 is based on the Porsche 911 Carerra 4s because of the headlights. Those are not the headlights that are on the turbo.

 

[Famine]

Driftster - bengee's point was that the Yellowbird was a Ruf CTR2, but a Ruf CTR2 is NOT a Yellowbird. Anyway, that's all done now and I think everyone understands each other

From my PD Cup experiences - reminder all cars must be stock apart from tyres - the XJ220 is the absolute king of the castle and would blow away the others without thinking about it.

Stock, the rankings would be:
1. Jaguar XJ220
2. Dodge Viper GTS-R Concept
3. Ruf CTR2
4. Aston Martin V8 Vantage
5. Pagani Zonda C12-S (its stock 'box only allows 230km/h...).

 

[bengee]

to 240 drift...

a 993 looks like a 993 no matter if it is carrera... 4s... or turbo or turbo 4... i guess you could argue that hte targo looks different... the only difference between 993 models is the body kit and spoilers.... and of course engine specs... and body width and the works... but 993 headlights are all the same

BTW porsche created both a rear wheel drive and 4 wheel drive version of the turbo 993 the first in the 97 model year and the latter in the 98 model year... the CTR2 also comes in rear and 4wd... and was built in 1997... or hte 98 model year... so most likely it was based off the turbo... and unless very few design changes were made to the simple and light 4wd system... they used the turbo 4 as well...

it does not really matter which 993 RUF designed the CTR2 about... it only matters that its dam fast and dam beautiful

 

[T13R]

Originally posted by Famine
[bPagani Zonda C12-S (its stock 'box only allows 230km/h...).[/color] [/B]

i never noticed that.. maybe i tuned it too quickly Its a bit weird tho considering that IRL the stock box is set to go more like 230 mph hehe. <-- Thats not an official stat, just an assumption.( I know the car goes atleast 179 mph on Top Gear's open airway place thinggy )

 

[Famine]

Originally posted by T13R
Its a bit weird tho considering that IRL the stock box is set to go more like 230 mph.

I thought EXACTLY the same thing... It's a bit of a coincidence... 230mph max speed, 230km/h max speed...

 

[240drift]

Originally posted by bengee
to 240 drift...

a 993 looks like a 993 no matter if it is carrera... 4s... or turbo or turbo 4... i guess you could argue that hte targo looks different... the only difference between 993 models is the body kit and spoilers.... and of course engine specs... and body width and the works... but 993 headlights are all the same

BTW porsche created both a rear wheel drive and 4 wheel drive version of the turbo 993 the first in the 97 model year and the latter in the 98 model year... the CTR2 also comes in rear and 4wd... and was built in 1997... or hte 98 model year... so most likely it was based off the turbo... and unless very few design changes were made to the simple and light 4wd system... they used the turbo 4 as well...

it does not really matter which 993 RUF designed the CTR2 about... it only matters that its dam fast and dam beautiful

Maybe I'm gettin confused but is the CTR2 the most expensive 4wd RUF or the other rwd one. If it is the 4wd one, I am pretty sure the RUF was based on 996 platform. And back when GT3 came out, the 996 turbo and 996 carrera had different headlights. Now they are the same. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[ving]

hmm.... v8 vantage maybe. depends on what you are like at controling cars.

 

[bengee]

the 993 and the 996 have different headlights...

the CTR2 is the 4wd with the round headlights... hence it is 993...

the RGT has hte crappy boxster looking headlights... hence it is 996 based...

back when gt3 first came out... the 993 model had just ended with the turbo and the 996 had just begun with the carrera ( the turbo didnt come out until 2000, which is why the rgt is NA... at least i think it is)... well at least that happened in 98... dunno if actual year or model year... hope this helps....

this is the best site i could find... it shows the 993 and the 996 in different sections in na trim.... and the turbo section has the 993 adn 996 as the last two pics...

http://www.idee.demon.nl/inh-story.htm

 

[Vasco]

From my previous experience with a CTR2, I tried it out on Grand Valley, and I couldn't even get past that first hairpin turn! :|

 

[240drift]

Originally posted by bengee
the 993 and the 996 have different headlights...

the CTR2 is the 4wd with the round headlights... hence it is 993...

the RGT has hte crappy boxster looking headlights... hence it is 996 based...

back when gt3 first came out... the 993 model had just ended with the turbo and the 996 had just begun with the carrera ( the turbo didnt come out until 2000, which is why the rgt is NA... at least i think it is)... well at least that happened in 98... dunno if actual year or model year... hope this helps....

this is the best site i could find... it shows the 993 and the 996 in different sections in na trim.... and the turbo section has the 993 adn 996 as the last two pics...

http://www.idee.demon.nl/inh-story.htm

Aw man, you were right. I just checked the game and the ctr2 is 993 based. I confused the CTR2 and RGT up

 

[bengee]

lol no prob 240 drift

viper... just lighten it... put rear camber to zero and front camber to something higher than 2 but not more than 6 and your front tires will have more grip when turning than the rear... hence understeer understeer understeer...

it also helps to put front toe to -.5 and rear toe to -2....

 

[Driftster]

Speaking of toe, I just noticed this recently like maybe 2-3 weeks ago but my car(99 BBMW 328i) has some wicked toe on the back, and it's in stock trim. No wonder it does donuts so slow, but stays in a perfect circle.