who plays on 1080i display?

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neubie here
great site!

got hooked on GT3/PS2 few years back
using SONY 27" trinitron, logitech force feedback
looked good, but NTSC (352X240 interlaced) presents serious limitations for this type of game

upgraded to SONY 34" HDTV displays true 1080i, and GT4
incredible difference!

not only does it 'look' 200% better
my driving has improved exponentially
i'm attributing this to being able to 'see' much farther down the road, and in more detail

thanks all!

has any
 
Are you sure? A search for "1080i" comes up with these results.

;)

But I think this thread might be ok though, as a proper discussion on people who have 1080i TV's hasn't been done I don't think.
 
Me! Me! Me!

Well, I used to. There were white lines at the top of the screen, plus it was a pain to set it to 1080i anyway...
 
Hello frothy,

There is already a large thread about HDTV and GT4 here - A search for 1080i, limited to thread titles only, also provides these, as well as the threads linked to by G.T above - please continue this discussion in one of the existing threads... thanks,

TM
 
I could if my parents were not so greedy with the TV downstairs. They just brought a 52 inch plasma with component inputs on it and it said HDTV compatible on the box so heres hoping!!

Apologies for not reading the above post too.
 
Touring Mars
Hello frothy,

There is already a large thread about HDTV and GT4 here - A search for 1080i, limited to thread titles only, also provides these, as well as the threads linked to by G.T above - please continue this discussion in one of the existing threads... thanks,

TM
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Touring Mars:

The myriad of links you’ve provided above do in fact include the term ‘HDTV’
However, these topics of discussion are all concerned with problems regarding- not actually those of us actively using an HDTV display.

So if you’re having problems with your HDTV and GT combo, feel free to post to the topics you’ve listed.
THIS thread is for those of us actually USING an HDTV for GT4.

Feel free to reply here regarding pro’s, con’s, thoughts on, general comments, etc.. regarding your USE of an HDTV with GT4

Regards
 
frothy bowel
neubie here
great site!

got hooked on GT3/PS2 few years back
using SONY 27" trinitron, logitech force feedback
looked good, but NTSC (352X240 interlaced) presents serious limitations for this type of game

upgraded to SONY 34" HDTV displays true 1080i, and GT4
incredible difference!

not only does it 'look' 200% better
my driving has improved exponentially
i'm attributing this to being able to 'see' much farther down the road, and in more detail

thanks all!

has any
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Welcome to GTP.
I also just did the entire HDTV swap last month. I have the 27" Sony FD Trinitron Wega Hi-Scan KV-27HS420 and the differece in 1080i is mind blowing on any game compared to any other TV. The component cables are a must to see the full quality.
Bottom line. Those that dont have a HDTV set up are truly going to be missing out in the future of gaming.
 
Most definately, I play on a 52 inch sony and the difference is night and day, I can split my screen and have two ps2's in lan play at once, one is 1080i and one is not, the difference is bigger than you can possibly imagine. Now that i have played in 1080i i doubt i will play any other way.
 
wheelmonstor
Most definately, I play on a 52 inch sony and the difference is night and day, I can split my screen and have two ps2's in lan play at once, one is 1080i and one is not, the difference is bigger than you can possibly imagine. Now that i have played in 1080i i doubt i will play any other way.
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You need to take a picture of that. Thats very cool and I didnt even know it was possible.
 
CAMAROBOY69
You need to take a picture of that. Thats very cool and I didnt even know it was possible.
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His TV has a picture-in-picture that puts them side-by-side. He's got two different inputs on the screen simultaneously. Circuit City uses this on at least one screen in their stores, usually, to "demonstrate" the difference between standard and HD.
 
I'll try and get a picture up, pretty cool actually, one ps2 plays through my surround sound and the other plays through the tv. I do it when we get together and lan play, that and two other 27 inch tvs and it's usually an all nighter of gt4.
 
I'm running mine on a 50" Hitachi LCD in 1080i and I love it, and unfortuantly, have become unable to play GT4 without it. When i'm at my friends, we play on his 42" Toshiba rear projection with S-Video, and the difference is quite noticable. Its almost like I can't see the corners coming up like I can on my tv, and it does affect my driving. Not greatly, but I do notice better times when I play at home.
 
CAMAROBOY69
Welcome to GTP.
I also just did the entire HDTV swap last month. I have the 27" Sony FD Trinitron Wega Hi-Scan KV-27HS420 and the differece in 1080i is mind blowing on any game compared to any other TV. The component cables are a must to see the full quality.
Bottom line. Those that dont have a HDTV set up are truly going to be missing out in the future of gaming.
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absolutely.

using SONY KD-34XBR960N
IMHO, and many other home theater experts- this CRT sets the standard for which all other displays are measured.

also, found a cable (at best buy) that has both XBOX and PS2 connects to the same component connectors
great for not having to tie up 2 HD inputs on your HDTV.
 
Picked up a Panasonic 32'inch LCD-HDTV last month and absolutely love it! Though I had some initial dis-illusions about the quality of 1080i, but they were squashed after some basic testing, which was nothing more then switching between my old 32'inch Sony Trinitron and the new LCD.

Can't really imagine NOT playing in 1080i anymore unless a specific game doesn't support it and unfortunately for me, most of my games don't...at least that I'm aware of at the moment! (Most of my games are racing games and as of right now, GT4 is the most recent addition, though TOCA 3 will be added next month! :D)

My only issue is with the PS2 NOT remembering the settings for 1080i but since it's a quick setting to enable, it's not that bad to deal with I guess time and time again.
 
un_peacekeeper
can anyone of you take a picture somehow, demostrating the difference?
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Not even the best camera can pick up what you physically see in real life. :)
Look at some of the HDTV threads I made or the Kameo thread. There are quite a few pics in the PGR3 thread too. Still none of them capture the true HDTV like real life.
 
I noticed quite a difference when I first played GT4 on my 52" HDTV... but the difference between regular and HD in 'God of War' is like night and day... SCRUMTRULESCENT!!! :drool:
 
CAMAROBOY69
Not even the best camera can pick up what you physically see in real life. :)
Look at some of the HDTV threads I made or the Kameo thread. There are quite a few pics in the PGR3 thread too. Still none of them capture the true HDTV like real life.
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I disagree, but before we start a flame war, let me give it a go
Getting a digital pic of the HD screen should only require matching (or increasing) the shutter speed on camera and TV screen refresh rate. Since it’s 1080i (that is, interlaced), I may need to apply a deinterlace filter to the final image. Of course I’d have to display the image to you all in a resolution that doesn’t compress the original HDTV's 1920x1080 frame size.

I’ll shoot some tonight, and post

The amazing thing about GT4 on a good 1080i display is not only better resolution- with a standard resolution TV (regardless of size) you’re getting 720x480 pixels; whereas with GT4 in HD, you’re getting 1920x1080

So not only are you getting a tremendously more detailed image, you’re also getting a wider field of view.

PLUS, throw in the dolby pro logic II audio… 5.1 sounds INCREDIBLE. Too bad there isn’t a button for rolling down the window… hehe

As far as not seeing a noticeable difference- not all HDTV’s are made the same… since there are many flavors of HD- 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, 60fps, 30fps- not all HDTV’s will display 1080i
Some HDTV’s down-sample the 1080i signal to 720p (or 768p)
 
frothy bowel
I disagree, but before we start a flame war, let me give it a go
Getting a digital pic of the HD screen should only require matching (or increasing) the shutter speed on camera and TV screen refresh rate. Since it’s 1080i (that is, interlaced), I may need to apply a deinterlace filter to the final image. Of course I’d have to display the image to you all in a resolution that doesn’t compress the original HDTV's 1920x1080 frame size.

I’ll shoot some tonight, and post

The amazing thing about GT4 on a good 1080i display is not only better resolution- with a standard resolution TV (regardless of size) you’re getting 720x480 pixels; whereas with GT4 in HD, you’re getting 1920x1080

So not only are you getting a tremendously more detailed image, you’re also getting a wider field of view.

PLUS, throw in the dolby pro logic II audio… 5.1 sounds INCREDIBLE. Too bad there isn’t a button for rolling down the window… hehe

As far as not seeing a noticeable difference- not all HDTV’s are made the same… since there are many flavors of HD- 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, 60fps, 30fps- not all HDTV’s will display 1080i
Some HDTV’s down-sample the 1080i signal to 720p (or 768p)
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gt4 is not true 1920x1080 it is is 1080xSome other number that is in an old thread before gt4 came out in the u.s. that i read. the ps2 cannot do true 1080i, but gt4 gives a great effect of it and looks fantastic on my crt hdtv.

the sound again is not 5.1. the ps2 cannot handle in game 5.1 and intensive graphics. the one exception is gta san andreas. pro logic 2 is better than stereo, but nowhere near 5.1 dd.
 
“Gran Turismo 4 is presented in Dobly Pro Logic II surround sound, allowing players to hear cars behind them- a true competitive advantage” (pg.45 GT4 Instruction Manual)
Without getting into the specifics of different audio codecs, DPLII’s standard is minimum 5.1 mix. My experience is through the digital optical connector, not coax.

Yes, GT4 is one of the few games in 1920x1080i. “Video Output (normal, progressive 480p or HDTV 1080i)” (pg.30 GT4 Instruction Manual)
There is no such HD flavor as “1080 by some other number”

As far as the HDTV vs. Standard Def comparison- find it here:
ftp://www.jabustamante.com/comparison_IMG_1044.jpg

One problem. Because my PS2 is connect via component cables, its sending a progressive signal, even when the “screen settings” are set to normal. So I was not able to take a picture of a true standard definition image from my setup (without disconnecting, finding the old composite cables that came with the PS2, and reconnecting- I have no idea where they might be- actually, I think I sold them on ebay)

So the side-by-side is not as dramatic as I thought it might be. It simply looks vertically squashed.
Is there a posted pic of a true standard def display?

CAMAROBOY69’s point is well taken- frame rate, and ‘feel’ of the game is much improved and not conveyed with simple screen shots.
 
I also use the optical cable and like you said you can hear a vehicle anywhere around. If your inside the car and you drive off to the right side of the road you will hear it thru the right speakers. Its the same if you drive on the left side. Sounds way better with the optical cords compared to the red/white/yellow cables. I also believe it is 5.1 but I dont know for sure. I just know GT4 and all other games are wayy better with the combination of 1080i and optical. 👍 👍 I guess I have nothing else to say in this thread that hasnt already been covered.
 
gt4 is not in game 5.1, pro logic 2 gives the effect of 5.1.

the only games to do real dts/5.1 for the ps2 are a handful of ea sports titles and gta san andreas. there are probably more also.

as for the resolution, like i said in my earlier post gt4 is not real 1080i resolution of 1920x1080. do a search and find the earlier thread discussing this specific topic. the programmers at polyphony cleverly found a way to interlace a signal that adds up to 1080x480(im not sure about this number).

i have monster cables, component and optical and a sony receiver that decodes a ton of formats and can tell you 1st hand that gt4 outputs wannabe 5.1 and not the real thing. also the resolution of a true 1920x1080 image next to gt4s 1080i mode is significantly more detailed. i have a crt hdtv and am used to hdtv feeds of different resolutions.👍
 
frothy bowel
One problem. Because my PS2 is connect via component cables, its sending a progressive signal, even when the “screen settings” are set to normal. So I was not able to take a picture of a true standard definition image from my setup (without disconnecting, finding the old composite cables that came with the PS2, and reconnecting- I have no idea where they might be- actually, I think I sold them on ebay)
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now you are just making stuff up. just because a ps2 is connected to a display via component cables does not mean the image is progressive. when the screen settinngs are set to normal mode that means the ps2 is sending a 480i signal. what homeless crazy man told you that?:confused:
 
placebo
now you are just making stuff up. just because a ps2 is connected to a display via component cables does not mean the image is progressive. when the screen settinngs are set to normal mode that means the ps2 is sending a 480i signal. what homeless crazy man told you that?:confused:
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he wasn't totally homeless, he was living in his POS WHITE HONDA CIVIC.
 

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