Who uses the E-Brake to drift?

[N35QU1K]

I did a search, and found nothing, so there's the question.

Who here uses the E-brake for drifting?

Personally, I dont, but I have been experimenting lately...

 

[luftrofl]

This should be in the Drifting forum, not videos

Back on topic: I would use it more if I had an E-brake handle that I could use, since the button is so hard to find on the wheel when you're turning.

 

[Suzuki]

I did a search, and found nothing, so there's the question.

Who here uses the E-brake for drifting?

Personally, I dont, but I have been experimenting lately...

well im not going to say this belongs in the drift forum because its already been said.
but i use the ebrake every now and then. and i use it for different ways.
sometimes i use it to extend the drift after entry, sometimes i tap it mid drift for a half assed clutch kick.
theres nothing wrong about using the ebrake after entry and if the person can produce good angle, speed, control, etc while using it. it really isnt needed for entry since there are so many other ways to enter the corner that look and preform better.

 

[gtsomething]

only on stock cars...
i never use e-brake on me tuned cars, since they're tuned to naturally slide, using the e-brake doing in at a high speed turn results in the car going sideways as you turn in instead of going sideways as your turning...

 

[GT4_Rule]

I dont know how to drift so I use e-brake to try to slide the tail out.

But all attempts failed miserably and I still suck at drifting.

 

[Mr. Apex]

I did a search, and found nothing, so there's the question.

Who here uses the E-brake for drifting?

Personally, I dont, but I have been experimenting lately...

I use the E-brake only for stunts (180°s, 360°s etc.). IMHO it's more
rewarding to use weight shift (and feint. Only if necessary, though).

I tend to think that E-braking and also shift lock (IRL) are a bit crude...
but hey, make up your own rules

 

[rsmithdrift]

The E-Brake doesn't work in GT4 due to the retarded tire physics. Same way Getting massive wheelspin to get you sideways in a slow/hairpin turn doesn't work.

I only use it to hold long straight line drifts to make links that would normally be impossible.

 

[Fujita_No]

in the begining i was almost obligated to begin the drift using the ebrake.but now that i learn how to tune the car to work with the weight tranfer,i hardly use it..

 

[Suzuki]

The E-Brake doesn't work in GT4 due to the retarded tire physics. Same way Getting massive wheelspin to get you sideways in a slow/hairpin turn doesn't work.

I only use it to hold long straight line drifts to make links that would normally be impossible.

yeah i hate how that works. i hope its better in gt5.
yeah, and if i enter too early, ill use it to try and keep the drift till i can get on the gas again.

 

[jadster]

i use it for 4wd only, and by the way how the hell do you tune a 4wd to drift? i have followed some setups but handbrake seems to be the only way to get the back end out. In a mitsu 3000GT i put all the weight at the back, all the downfroce at the front, crapy tyres (N1) and tried from 270 - 770bhp. still wont slide, the only thing i havent tried is the variable centre diff because the description doesn't tell you how to get the power to the back wheels...anyone know how to use this?

 

[SouthSideSlider]

the E-brake is only used to correct heavy understeer for mee or to drift the slipstreem and the leno tank car

jadster have you plkayed with your LSD yet? cause i know it is easy to drift a AWD when you tune the LSD other wise it is a bidyotch. I'll get you the setup from my 3000Gt VR-4 turbo. also try to use a inerta drift turn the other way then swereve back then let the rear come around on you

 

[TRi]

I use the E-brake only for stunts (180°s, 360°s etc.). IMHO it's more
rewarding to use weight shift (and feint. Only if necessary, though).

ditto. i use it for for correction as well.

 

[wasace96]

i use the e-brake to get the car going into drift cause its a big car

 

[panjandrum]

The E-Brake doesn't work in GT4 due to the retarded tire physics. Same way Getting massive wheelspin to get you sideways in a slow/hairpin turn doesn't work.

I only use it to hold long straight line drifts to make links that would normally be impossible.

Hmmm. Interesting. You know, a lot of the differing opinions we discuss might come down to controller differences. Both the e-brake and wheelspin seem to work approximately like they do in real-life for me. The e-brake takes maybe a bit too long to kick-in, but otherwise seems normal. The wheelspin actually seems to make the rear want to kick-out a little faster than in real life (I have owned several very powerful FR cars in real life), but the differences are livable.

I'm using the DFP with "Strong" feedback, "No" power-assist, and "No" auto-correct (whatever they call that).

What are you using?

Even if you're using the DFP, you might try different settings, they make a *huge* difference in the way cars handle.

 

[rsmithdrift]

Hmmm. Interesting. You know, a lot of the differing opinions we discuss might come down to controller differences. Both the e-brake and wheelspin seem to work approximately like they do in real-life for me. The e-brake takes maybe a bit too long to kick-in, but otherwise seems normal. The wheelspin actually seems to make the rear want to kick-out a little faster than in real life (I have owned several very powerful FR cars in real life), but the differences are livable.

I'm using the DFP with "Strong" feedback, "No" power-assist, and "No" auto-correct (whatever they call that).

What are you using?

Even if you're using the DFP, you might try different settings, they make a *huge* difference in the way cars handle.

I run the same settings you do. Except I turn on the adaptive steering (auto correct) when I'm doing enduro's at laSarthe as it greatly reduces the massive high speed wobble.

It's a problem of physics really......tire physics to be exact. For some reason in GT4 when a tire looses traction it looses MASSIVE amounts of forward bite, but there is almost no loss in side bite. This is what causes the "no donuts allowed" glitch and also is why you are understeering while wheelspinning and e-braking in this game so often. I have an S13 that I drift regularly in real life, so I know how it should feel. In real life if you dip the clutch the back end will come out IMMEDIATELY. In this game wheelspin just barely affects how quick the back end comes out. Also e-brake in real life is an immediate drift initiation in real life but does almost nothing in GT4. Again all this is due to inapropriate tire physics. It almost feels like driving an open diff car in real life.

I think this is just a difference in driving style that is causing our difference in opinion

 

[Bujingar]

lol i do with out it im nuthin u make me feel so worthless now

 

[Gen.]

Could you rephrase that please?

Using or not using the e-brake is purely preferential.
If anything, overusage of the e-brake is looked down upon.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Use some decent grammer, spelling and capitalization please...

 

[Suzuki]

I run the same settings you do. Except I turn on the adaptive steering (auto correct) when I'm doing enduro's at laSarthe as it greatly reduces the massive high speed wobble.

It's a problem of physics really......tire physics to be exact. For some reason in GT4 when a tire looses traction it looses MASSIVE amounts of forward bite, but there is almost no loss in side bite. This is what causes the "no donuts allowed" glitch and also is why you are understeering while wheelspinning and e-braking in this game so often. I have an S13 that I drift regularly in real life, so I know how it should feel. In real life if you dip the clutch the back end will come out IMMEDIATELY. In this game wheelspin just barely affects how quick the back end comes out. Also e-brake in real life is an immediate drift initiation in real life but does almost nothing in GT4. Again all this is due to inapropriate tire physics. It almost feels like driving an open diff car in real life.

I think this is just a difference in driving style that is causing our difference in opinion

i REALLY have to agree with about everything you have said.
the tire physics could be redone, that would improve alot, but then im sure lap times will differ depending on what is done.
also, i think the makers of gt4 put the rotation point in the middle of the car, instead of the front. that is also another reason why you cannot do donuts.
also another thing, on banked tracks if you do a burnout, your rear end doesnt go toward the inside like it should.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I think it's way too hard to drift in GT4. It may just be my skills, but the physics aren't representative of the real world. How hard is it to make the car's tail stick out? I can't sustain a drift for more than a second, and that's with E-Brakes.

 

[Suzuki]

I think it's way too hard to drift in GT4. It may just be my skills, but the physics aren't representative of the real world. How hard is it to make the car's tail stick out? I can't sustain a drift for more than a second, and that's with E-Brakes.

well... on xlink i can get a cars tail out pretty easy. keep in mind, they are stock cars only.
i think your problem would be not enough weight transfer. do not even think about using the ebrake for initiating a drift.
the only car i cant drift stock nor modded (that i have wanted to, but cant), is the 350Z. that thing just wants to grip. i can get it out, but after i do get it out it just understeers.

 

[pzygho_freak]

Only if the car understeers or I feel the need to expand a drift. I usually perform this on sweepers.

 

[iDrifter]

I dunno if someone has already said but I use E-Brake with feint in a big long drift and chain it in another.

throttle
quick right
brake
hold e-brake
control angle
bring it back

Kinda hard to explain, I will post a little video of me in a Miata doing it~

 

[throttlehappy]

i never use it
i dont seem to need to

 

[Bujingar]

why the hell there is always someone breaking my ball WTS?

 

[Gen.]

What?

 

[GT4_Rule]

Same here.

Use English please. Not internet slang.

 

[omnispeed]

All the time, either that or chokudori into the corner.

 

[One-More-Time]

occasionaly when Im trying to link coners and I cant get the car to whip the other way

or if I brake too late and I come into a corner with understeer.

 

[Jetboy.]

I only use the E-brake for rather large vehicles, but even then it's not really considered a drift; just power-oversteer. In any other vehicle, I usually do a Swedish Flick to get the tail out..