Why do people say GT SUCKS?

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Here's what usually happens in a gaming conversation of mine;
Me- "Dude, so yeah Guitar IVMMVII hero is coming out soon!!"
The Dude- "Yepp!!"
-silence-
M- "Yeah... And Im probably going to play Gran Turismo alot and probably buy GT5.."
TD- "Dude... Gran Turismo SUCKS! It is so fake."
M- "No it is not. You just dont know how to play it, and don't have the 'patience' to learn like every 326 person that says Gran Turismo sucks.."
TD- "So not true.👎"
M- "Okay.."​

I hate it when this happens.. Especially w/ strangers. :/​
 
Like you say, some people just don't have the patience to learn how to race properly. Everyone wants arcade style physics.
 
Gt4 isn't "So fake" but there's better games out there. Forza 2 for example.
 
Loon
Like you say, some people just don't have the patience to learn how to race properly. Everyone wants arcade style physics.
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Yeah... NFS and such. I don't know anyone my age that plays GT. I'm 13 years old.​
 
Younger people don't generally like the steeper learning curve.

But, GT4 has its realism issues, go look at the EPR versus GT4 thread to see some of them.

PS - Center aligning your posts makes them a pain to read...
 
In the end I reckon every driving game will have realism issues...

As to why people hate it...down to personal tastes really, same as every other game.
 
<_Spike_>
In the end I reckon every driving game will have realism issues...

As to why people hate it...down to personal tastes really, same as every other game.
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I know, but wich do you think is more real? Gran Turismo or Need For Speed?
Juiced? :odd:​
 
TsukubaTrueno
Why do people say GT4 SUCKS?
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Because different people have different opinions?

Regardless of whether or not you think GT4 is a decently realistic game, its accuracy most definitely lies somewhere in the middle of the "realism-o-scale." Just because someone says it's fake, that doesn't necessarily mean they were expecting something arcadey.

Next time someone tells you that Gran Turismo is fake, ask them what their favorite driving sims are. If they mention games like Need for Speed, PGR, or Test Drive Unlimited, feel free to mock them. If they mention games like Race Driver, Forza, or Enthusia, it's mostly a matter of preference.

If they mention Live for Speed, rFactor, GTR, GTR2, GTL, GPL, Richard Burns Rally, etc...then they have a perfectly fair point. Just about all you can argue is that GT4 has more stuff...which isn't exactly the top priority of a simulator.

By immediately assuming that this guy didn't know how to drive, all you did was make yourself look like "every 326 person" that say "GT4 is the best and most realistic driving simulator on the planet and nothing could possibly ever beat it ever except for another Gran Turismo."

I trust you're smart enough to not believe in that statement.
 
A lot of people don't like Gran Turismo because they don't want to invest the time and such into the game. Simply put, for the "average" gamer in which games like Need for Speed and Juiced appeal to, its too deep and involved to be worthwhile.

This being said, while I do love me some GT, I'd have to say that Project Gotham Racing has held my interest as of late. I like to have fun, and it certainly brings a lot of that to the game. I'll likely buy a PS3 just for GT (Maybe MGS4 and Ratchet while I'm at it), but that won't happen for at least another year...
 
I think he means this more along the lines of the whole "The Yankees suck!" phenomenon.

Everybody and their dog likes to pretend they've been life-long Red Sox fans and say the Yankees suck. Now, we know they don't suck, they've made the playoffs for 13 or 14 straight years, but people don't like them, so they say the Yankees suck.
 
Usually, I play any GT after I finish an NFS. (usually after about 6 hrs.) I prefer a sim to an arcade any day.
 
Most of the people I know who starts arguing, or start stating their opinion with "____ sucks!", they are pretty clueless. I sometimes respond to these fools, but I really should stop wasting my time.....

As for why GT is not for everybody, it's not very arcadey or easy game. You have to slow down to turn? Out-in-out, what you talkin' about? It still doesn't change the fact that GT is one of the best console-based racing series.
 
I think the non-linear progression puts people off too. In Need For Speed for example, you generally start with a slow car and then when you win, you upgrade it so it's fast enough to win the next race, and so on and so forth, almost all the way to the end of the game if you choose too.

Whereas in GT you can spend 6 hours winning 90k to buy a Stage 4 Turbo, then realize that you can't use the car in half the races and have to buy some slow boring thing.
 
Studentdriver
Everybody and their dog likes to pretend they've been life-long Red Sox fans and say the Yankees suck. Now, we know they don't suck, they've made the playoffs for 13 or 14 straight years, but people don't like them, so they say the Yankees suck.
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Someone is upset over the Yankees sucking...

I grew up in a Tigers/Red Sox household, so I had to deal with the suckage for far too long in my life. If anything, the Yankees deserve it...

As for GT?

I don't think the "Yankees Phenomena" has anything to do with it. While the mainstream, leading titles do get a lot of flak for being top-dog, GT nevertheless deserves all of the credit it can get... Even if it takes eleventy billion years to have a new one come out...
 
TsukubaTrueno
Yeah... NFS and such. I don't know anyone my age that plays GT. I'm 13 years old.​
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You do now ;) I often get bagged by my mates for being a car nut, they all hate GT and think its a n00b game, probably because they cant control cars with real-life-like physics. BTW they all play NFS and, wall ride about every corner :rolleyes:
 
This happens?
 
GT does SUCK :p It has consumed my life and I've lost all my women due to it :lol:
 
Three words: "Driving Mission Thirteen"
 
GT sucks (could more say Sony sucks) because the console either:

a.) refuse to load the game altogether (DRE or RSoD)

b.) works initially, but the machine eats the disc so it ends up like a. (this has happened to me with 3 different copies.

Other than that, while GT doesn't have custom cars or anything, but it has realism like no other. NFS and them games are for people doing up their cars, GT4 is just for racing.

People either like GT or other games depending whether they like realism, or doing their cars up.
 
arora
GT does SUCK :p It has consumed my life and I've lost all my women due to it :lol:
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:lol: If only it really did suck, in which case you wouldn't need the women!
 
all video games are for children
 
I know... I take that back. Expecting your girlfriend to do the hoovering is chauvinistic and out-dated.
 
They're perfectly welcome not to like it... but if they're saying it's fake, what do they mean by that? If they mean that the car's handling and performance dynamics are completely unrealistic, well, if they're all 13 years old like you are, how would they know? Many adults probably drive for 20 years without ever experiencing understeer or oversteer, or experiencing it just once, so how many 13 year old kids can possibly be sliding cars around on a computer game and honestly judge if it feels realistic or fake, even if their dad does let them reverse the family Ford out of the garage?

If you don't have experience of driving actual cars, then the only way you can tell if a driving simulation is realistic or not is to ask people who DO have the experience. I think most agree that GT4 isn't the most accurate model available, but it is a yardstick against which the realism of other sims is measured, and as such must be viewed as being realistic with limitations, rather than an arcade game pretending to be a simulator. So when someone who doesn't know any better tells you that GT4 "is fake", they are probably being sensationalist rather than analytical and don't really deserve any response beyond "You're fake!", which at least would be accurate in this case.
 
Touring Mars
I know... I take that back. Expecting your girlfriend to do the hoovering is chauvinistic and out-dated.
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:lol: great recovery.

Its funny how people always spot the sexual referance first.
 
TsukubaTrueno
I know, but wich do you think is more real? Gran Turismo or Need For Speed?


Juiced? :odd:​
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Juiced was a great game. Fairly original too. Juiced 2 is better. Drifting is awesome.

One of my friends despises GT just because he couldn't control a 1000+ hp Zonda when he first (and last) played it with me.
 
I can definitely see why some people would be uninterested in GT4. Some people are into driving fast cars down the street slamming into traffic and making sharp turns at ridiculously high speeds. Okay, so not everyone is into that, but GT4 has a lot of aspects that a casual non hardcore racer would comment as "boring". For example, there are little ways to customize the look of your ride, you can only fit it with rims and a spoiler.
Second, there are lots of tuning options that some people would find confusing, with gear ratios to spring stiffness to camber to toe angle, it is easy to not be able to tell what does what (even the text at the bottom of the screen might not sort everything out). And tuning is a very important part of having a sucessful car. You can't just buy a really fast car and jam on all the performance mods, because that normally will make the car handle very bad, thus, lots of crashes, thus, frustration, thus, a negative view of the game.
Third, sense of speed is low. You can hear wind resistance and see scenery fly past you, but you don't get nearly as much feeling about how fast you're going then you would in real life. If you went onto a test track and took a car to 230mph, afterwards you would be speechless and amazed. In GT4 if you do the same, you don't get nearly as excited. "Yep, I'm doing 261 in my Skyline on Le Sarthe. Brakinggg, now going around the corner. I'm bored." You don't feel Lateral Gs, either, but you really can't simulate that feeling with just a DS2, or even a gaming wheel.
About the "fake" comment, I disagree with that being justifiable. You're not going to do like, 200 while making a hairpin turn. Unless this is a really, really, really big hairpin turn. So despite Gran Turismo's physics not being perfectly accurate, there are no games with physics on the market right now that are perfectly accurate. It's far from reality (especially the low speed physics which suck), but arcade-style racers aren't any closer. NOT BY A LONG SHOT. Some of the physics are quite good, but you have to learn how to drive well if you want to be a pro.
So what I'm saying is the game isn't the cream-of-the crop with today's standards, but by no means does it outright suck. It's not a game for everyone, but a racing sim is supposed to be, well, a racing sim. It's a racing fan's game.
Hate me, love me, flame me, +rep me, this is my perspective of the topic.
(Sorry if I spelt anything wrong, little too tired to check it over)
 
BigdaddyGT
So despite Gran Turismo's physics not being perfectly accurate, there are no games with physics on the market right now that are perfectly accurate. It's far from reality (especially the low speed physics which suck), but arcade-style racers aren't any closer. NOT BY A LONG SHOT.
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Why does everyone say this? Physics accuracy isn't a matter of perfect and imperfect. Looking at different games reveals a range of realism, with flaws and strengths in different areas.

In other words, Gran Turismo 4 isn't perfect, and Live for Speed isn't perfect. But that doesn't stop Live for Speed from being indisputably more realistic than GT4 by a rather large margin.
 
People find it too hard.....they want PRG style games that they can actually stand of chance of winning in!

Robin
 
Absolutely none of my freinds play or have played any of the GT games and i always wonder why. I have been playing since i was 6 and i never stopped. They are the ones that just play racing games to crash people. You just have to remember that everyone is different and is entitled to their own opinion.
 
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