Why do steering wheels = MORE tire wear??

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I have a G27 racing wheel. I have had it since before GT5 hit the market so I have never used a controler. I am in a NASCAR racing league and I would notice that every week I was having trouble with front tire wear while all the other drivers who were using controlers were wearing there back tires out. I first thought it was just different driving styles, then one of the other drivers got a G27 and he too began using his front tires much more than his backs.

I first thought this was due to the controler not being able to turn as sharpe, but after watching some replays I don't think this is true. Can anyone tell me why my front tires are wearing out so quick compared to the controlers and what I can do to correct this??
 
The controller feels understeery to me after using my dfgt, maybe its designed that way to make it drivable with the controller(I found GT4 very tricky with the controller once you got it sideways but not GT5). The wheel feels much more realistic and better movement/turning angle of the front wheels. I think its some kind of intellegent steering aid when using the controller.
 
It's simple; when using a wheel you make more intense movements thus you have faster tire wear.
On the other hand, you will have a lot of benefits vs. the controller user with your steering wheel (you can go a lot faster through corners etc.).
Ultimately the advantages of a wheel makes you own the controller users, see the x2010 challenges for proof.
 
You can switch lock a lot faster with a wheel ... Tilting the stick the opposite way switches lock slower than spinning the wheel. You also do little corrections with the wheel and you probably turn into a corner differently, it also possible with a wheel to turn the wheels in too much thus scrubbing the tyres more, all of which leads to more tyre wear as you are essentially asking them to do more and more.

I think you need to learn to be smooth all over again but I have noticed that my tyre wear is fine now as Im used to the wheel.
 
I just got a wheel about a month ago and I have to say I noticed a slight difference in tire wear during my races as well, more so with AWD. I think it is due to being able to turn sharper and turning at faster speeds. I've done "side by side" comparisons on the ring with my ds3 and dfgt and I can definitely say the turning is sharper/quicker with the wheel and the higher the speed, the more tire slip, the more tire wear.
 
iMeijer
It's simple; when using a wheel you make more intense movements thus you have faster tire wear.
On the other hand, you will have a lot of benefits vs. the controller user with your steering wheel (you can go a lot faster through corners etc.).
Ultimately the advantages of a wheel makes you own the controller users, see the x2010 challenges for proof.
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I use the DFGT and when I go into a corner whilst having my foot on the accelerator the car automatically brakes, this never happened when I used the DS3. So when I used the DS3 I was much faster round corners.
 
Doesn't happen to me (I have a DFGT) .... You must have one of the aids on or something like that.
 
MIKE1FL
I use the DFGT and when I go into a corner whilst having my foot on the accelerator the car automatically brakes, this never happened when I used the DS3. So when I used the DS3 I was much faster round corners.
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I've never heard of that. I use the DFGT and have never had that happen to me. I am much faster around turns, just haven't master countersteering with it yet.
 
I've definitely noticed the front tire wear when using the wheel. Now I'm trying to go through the corners with smoother and less steering.
 
With a wheel you more easily turn the front wheels more than the car can turn => front wheels slide => you get increased wear on outer front tire.
 
chaosdd
With a wheel you more easily turn the front wheels more than the car can turn => front wheels slide => you get increased wear on outer front tire.
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^That summed it pretty well. From what I've experience, I managed to steer a slight degree more with the wheel than using the controller.
When I was using controller to do Indy grind with the RM Corvette. If I did the bends too fast I got slight understeer.
On the other hand using the wheel I got rid of that slight understeer even managed to heat up the tyres when turning.
 
Thanks for all the input guys. I think you have answered my question. What I am hearing is there has to be a built in aid while using the controler that keeps it from over steering. Which in turn lowers the tire wear.
As I mentioned at the start I have had the wheel for some time before the game came out. I play an average of 6-10 hours every day. You can come over to the GTN league and ask any of the guys in there if they have ever raced with anyone online that is more smooth with the wheel than I am. Out of the first three races this year I have finished 1st, 1st, and 2nd. I will put my online record up against anyone online. Being smooth is what I do. I don't oversteer hardly AT ALL. I say this to make you understand, I am not someone trying to get used to the wheel. I am used to it and am probably about as good with it as you can get. But what I DO know is there is no way you can be as percise with a controler, so they should be getting MUCH more oversteer, where they are sliding the front end side ways. Therefore there must be some kind of aid that automatically comes on when using a controler. Thanks again for the input, I think I now have my answer.
 
Right now I'm running an Indy500 in my R10 Stealth on racing softs and the weird thing I notice is that driving with 3rd person view has an rather big effect on my tyres! They last at least 10 laps longer! Normally I drive 1st person because I'm used to it and the feeling of speed is higher but in this case I change very pitstop...

1st person view: ~ 20 laps
3rd person view: ~ 30 laps
 
My car in real life wears out it's tires faster when I uses the steering wheel...so I guess realistic damage applies to tires too!
 
I think using the DS3 the game will adjust the turning angle, meaning when you slam the stick full steer, it wont be the same as your wheel @ full lock. Sort of an Auto steer correction built in. So if you over steer on the wheel and push through a corner you're taking lots of life out of your tire vs the ds3.
 
actually i realise the exact opposite. with DS3 on lets say nordschleiffe, by the first lap with a >400hp car tyre levels are at about 70-75 percent. Whilst with a dfgt by the first lap in the same car my tyre levels are about 90-95 percent. Both running similar times with the stering wheel few seconds under 7mins and ds3 early 7's (racing soft)
 
Because with a gamepad you steer more agresive and less precise, more fast between the full side steers, that destroy your tires. And with a wheel you are much more soft when turn the car wheels.
 
To add to my post, if you really try to conserve the tires - you can. On Indy 500 with 908 HDI, with maximum attack, the racing softs lasted for 23-24 laps. The front tires were the first to go.

With ultra smooth driving, almost eliminating any skidding and not overturning the car, I managed 40-41 laps. This costed app. 2 seconds per lap. Rear right tire wore first.

The above using a steering wheel. I suppose with a DS3 you more easily fall into the second category.
 
There is a "filter" coded in for the controller. It is easy to see when driving the open wheel cars like the FGT or the Ferrari F1's. At full speed with the DS3, deflect the stick all the way left or right and you will see the wheels turn just slightly. Now try the same thing at full speed with the steering wheel and you will see the wheels on the car turn just as much as you can turn the steering wheel.

This filter makes the cars drivable using a controller.
 
schigara
There is a "filter" coded in for the controller. It is easy to see when driving the open wheel cars like the FGT or the Ferrari F1's. At full speed with the DS3, deflect the stick all the way left or right and you will see the wheels turn just slightly. Now try the same thing at full speed with the steering wheel and you will see the wheels on the car turn just as much as you can turn the steering wheel.

This filter makes the cars drivable using a controller.
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Thanks, that kinda of settles it. It proves what I had sorta figured out. But it shows it in a way that makes it unmistakable.
 

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