Why no liscensed tires?

[LP670-4 SV]

why are there no licensed tire i.e. Michelin, Perelli, Hancook etc... and would it be a good idea to include them

 

[JamboGT]

why are there no licensed tire i.e. Michelin, Perelli, Hancook etc... and would it be a good idea to include them

Well there are plenty of different tyre brands in game, you can see the names on the tyres. You just don't choose the brand.

 

[oppositelock]

Brand is just a name on the sidewall. Doesn't indicate how the tire performs, so who cares?

 

[Da_Crazy_Driver]

another idea they should have done is painting the brake calipers

 

[jaysun92]

I'm pretty sure this car has Goodyear Eagles on, last time I checked Goodyear is a real company that makes tires

 

[Diego440]

His point is why can't you buy different brands of tyres in game, like choosing between Pirelli, Michelin or Good-Year tyres in the tune-up section.

 

[Yev]

Because if they make (for example), Goodyear better than Pirelli then the Pirelli could sue them.
They tend to avoid potential legal issues.

 

[JamboGT]

Its probably because different manufacturers have deals to run their cars on specific brands.

 

[Kwicko]

But different tires from different makers DO perform differently. I've run on Hoosiers and Kumhos, and while they were very comparable in treadwear ratings and identical in size, the Kumhos were quite a bit heavier, lasted a *huge* amount longer, and were much more progressive in breakaway at the limit. The Hoosiers, however, had quite a bit more ultimate grip (right up until they had none at all!). It came down to running $850 Hoosiers for a few track-day weekends, or running $400 Kumhos for a full season. Money being an object (especially when it's my own money), and sponsorship being hard to come by, the cheaper tires won out for most events, with the better tires getting the nod at divisional and national events.

Then I moved to a different class, and started running Goodyear Eagle full racing slicks. Whole different world.

 

[Sohvakettu]

The tire model in GT5 is too simplistic for that to make any difference. Even if the system had the depth nesessary the tire manufacturers aren't keen on sharing their info. The trade secret aspect of the tire models have been one major limiting factor in public market racing simulators in general.

 

[HN7]

Licensing issue?
I know tyre data for road car is easy to obtain but I can't imagine race teams would be happy to share their info.

 

[Bigbazz]

Tyres are tyres, it does not make sense to have tyre companies in the game because there is no fair way to balance them without making one company look bad, the tyre companies would NEVER agree to it, and ultimately it would not improve the game in any way.

 

[Bounkazz]

Tyres are tyres, it does not make sense to have tyre companies in the game because there is no fair way to balance them without making one company look bad, the tyre companies would NEVER agree to it, and ultimately it would not improve the game in any way.

Tires are not tires.

If a manufacturer makes a certain set of tires better than the other manfacturer, that's their win. The other manufacturer should've made them better... That what competition is guys... Hello?

And, the F1 cars have branded tires. Potenza's.

 

[Bigbazz]

Tires are not tires.

If a manufacturer makes a certain set of tires better than the other manfacturer, that's their win. The other manufacturer should've made them better... That what competition is guys... Hello?

And, the F1 cars have branded tires. Potenza's.

You don't get it, this is a computer game not real life. The tyres are as good or bad as the game developers make them. The differences between tyres in real life can hardly be captured in a computer game.

This is a game, tyres are tyres.


The F1 cars in the game have tyre brands written on them, but they are the exact same generic tyres that are available for every other car, brand names are just livery.

 

[mykem]

The tire model in GT5 is too simplistic for that to make any difference. Even if the system had the depth nesessary the tire manufacturers aren't keen on sharing their info. The trade secret aspect of the tire models have been one major limiting factor in public market racing simulators in general.

It's not limited to just GT5. Despite having a more advanced tire modeling, even sims like iRacing or nKar won't be able to give a realistic or honest interpretation of the different brands of tires. Before jumping into the "name dropping" bandwagon (see here: http://www.virtualr.net/forza-motorsport-4-first-details-emerge/), PD needs to add a few more features regarding tire modeling- sizes and pressure is a good starting point.

 

[Bounkazz]

You don't get it, this is a computer game not real life. The tyres are as good or bad as the game developers make them. The differences between tyres in real life can hardly be captured in a computer game.

This is a game, tyres are tyres.


The F1 cars in the game have tyre brands written on them, but they are the exact same generic tyres that are available for every other car, brand names are just livery.

This is a simulator, to tires should make a difference. See below;

About the "same generic tires", that's not true. The tires under the F1 cars' racing soft tires work much better than the Mini Coopers' racing soft tires. Both personally tested without downforce and approx the asme weight. If what you say is true, all tires are the same, both cars should drive about the same. And boy what are you wrong... Same tires, eh? No.

 

[Bigbazz]

This is a simulator, to tires should make a difference. See below;

About the "same generic tires", that's not true. The tires under the F1 cars' racing soft tires work much better than the Mini Coopers' racing soft tires. Both personally tested without downforce and approx the asme weight. If what you say is true, all tires are the same, both cars should drive about the same. And boy what are you wrong... Same tires, eh? No.

You're such a beauty.

The tyre compound is the same, how blatently obvious does it have to be for you to realise that every car has different dimensions on the wheels? completely different size wheels on the cars.


Then there is downforce, weight and weight distribution, suspension, these and a whole lot more all play factors into things, how on earth do you "personally" test the difference in tyres between a mini cooper and an F1 car? You realise an F1 car would be able to heat up the tyres properly where as a mini cooper would not? do you realise that the downforce on an F1 car would massively increase the efficiency of the tyres. Then theres the massive difference in size between the wheels on a Mini cooper (which are tiny) to an F1 car (comparetively massive)?


The F10 in GT5 is not very well represented in terms of realism, the car is nothing like the real thing and certaintly does not feel, act or drive anything like it does on the Ferrari simulator, the tyres are tyres, there are no tyre companies, just generic tyre compounds, and that is fine, nobody expected any different.

The technology does not exist for a game (this is a game not a simulator by F1 standards) or a simulator to model the differences between the tyre compound of different companies.

 

[CAG_Theory]

I appreciate your support in this matter.

 

[Uxi]

That would be pretty cool for differentiation/custom/livery-style thing if nothing else. I'm for it.

I'd like specific tuners instead of generic exhausts and intakes, turbos, and suspensions, too. Quaife LSD, Koni shocks, HKS turbo and Spoon exhaust. Kenne-Bell Supercharger. All Mugen setup. Sky's the limit.

 

[freight48]

Its probably because different manufacturers have deals to run their cars on specific brands.

This and trade secrets. The most I could see happening is some tire manufacturers letting PD slap their logo on the sidewalls, but the tires would all be identical.

 

[Imari]

I don't see why the tyres need to be perfect models of the real world tyres. The cars they have aren't.

Just talk to the companies, and ask them for six different brand names that they want publicised, ranging from a cheap economy tyre to their barely-road-legal track tyres. That would cover Comfort Hard to Sports Soft, and we can choose which brands we want to have on our cars. It changes nothing about gameplay, but it adds a little extra flavour for those who like their tyres, and it gives some new information to those who probably never take any notice of their tyres.