Wild "Project" Ideas

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Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
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Either that or buy something like a Pinto and drop a 305 in it. That would be sweet.
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You know, the Ford turbo 2.3 drivetrain (Thunderbird Turbo Coupe) fits real nice into Pintos. Rangers too, or so I've heard.
 
I saw an original Mini with an Integra Type-R powertrain stuffed in it. No kidding. That sounds like a hoot.

If I wanted to try something wild, I'd drop an M5 V8, converted to OBD-I and 6-speed tranny into an 8-series chassis. Then add a blower, 3.64 rear gear and Dinan suspension parts. BBS LMs all around. Then I'd spend 15k painting the entire car in Chrome Shadow, the show car color for M cars.

Or maybe an NSX-powered S2000. Plenty of room under that hood.


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Originally posted by ///M-Spec

If I wanted to try something wild, I'd drop an M5 V8, converted to OBD-I and 6-speed tranny into an 8-series chassis. Then add a blower, 3.64 rear gear and Dinan suspension parts. BBS LMs all around.


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:drool:

Has anybody ever put an M5 engine in an 8-series or done any other swaps into the 8-series?



-Mark
 
Originally posted by skip0110
How about an RSX Type S engine in an Insight (after removing hybrid system/battery packs/all that stuff)?
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Been there done that... 2 Insights are currently running in the All Motor drag classes with K20As, maybe a 3rd one coming soon. They're running fiberglass front ends because slicks don't fit too well under the front fenders, like most fwd draggers...

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Yep, that's a cut front end. You don't need all that stuff on a racecar like these, anyway.
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The advantage with running an Insight is that it's very light from the factory, less than 1800 lbs. Most governing bodies' minimum weighs are over this, which means you can play with the position of the ballast. This in turn means a better weight distribution, which turns into traction, which turns into faster times. These 2 Insights just started racing, there are loads of bugs to be sorted, but they'll most likely be pretty quick.


I want to drop a 2JZ-GTE into an E30 3 series. Now that'd be quite fun.
 
Originally posted by Ethix101
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Has anybody ever put an M5 engine in an 8-series or done any other swaps into the 8-series?
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Not that I'm aware of, though I'm sure they exist in Germany, where Hartage, Alpina and Schnitzer all regularly perform engine transplants in BMWs. M5 powered M3s are quite a common transplant. The most popular mods for the 8-Series is simply stroking the big 5.6 V12 from the CSi and adding FI.

An M5 V8 + blower setup would most probably be lighter and help retain good balance; the V12s were iron block, alloy heads --big, long and complex motors. The 8-Series chassis is already designed to accept the V8 family.. you just need the harness, some adapters and assorted hardware for the headers, upper-mid exhaust and tranny.

Of course, converting the M5's S62 V8 back to OBD-I would be a trick, though... not something anyone can do in their garage... you'd need a good tuner to pretty much do it from scratch. But while he's at it, he can totally custom map everything to work well with a blower... Dinan already has a Vortech based system with off the shelf parts....

Without the OBD-II emissions concerns, the motor would be friggin stout. 450+ baseline... who knows what with a blower? 600? 650?

Gawd.. I get excited just thinking about it. :eek:

It wouldn't even be THAT expensive... ~10k for an 840/850 chassis. ~15k for salvaged M5 motor + tranny. Another ~12 for the blower + assorted plumbing. Getting a good tuner's time would be the challenge.. someone who knows BMWs. But it'd be quite a unique car when you're done.


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Originally posted by skip0110
This thread is to fantasize about wild "project" ideas that you would love to do, if you had the time/money/space, but will probably never come to frutition. (Any car nut has about 50 of these banging about in his/her head at any given time.) And to keep it at least somewhat grounded, try to cite at least one reason why this could easily be done with enough time and effort.

I'll start. Fourth generation (88-91) Honda Civic hatchback with the fwd drivetrain taken out and put where the back seat normally sits has been done (saw it in an import mag about 2 years ago). Thats cool, but what about putting a Northstar V8 drivetrain back there? Rear track on the civic is ~57", and the width of the Northstar dirvetrain is 61.8 in, so some fender flares would be needed. But still, 300 hp would be one heck of an improvement.

And an interesting note....the 500 ci cadillac drivetrain has a track width of 62.5 in...could this fit?
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ok, on this note: HOTRODmagazine did something like that some time ago. it was called "project bad seed". they found a 500 ci Cadillac engine in a yunkyard, yanked it, cleaned it, then performed an interesting trick: they swapped the head from the 500 CI engine to ones off a 472 CI and this thing alone made the static compression ratio to go to a sick 12.5:1!!!! some headers, a holley carb, and that is all. same pistons, same everything. then, they bought a 198something chevy cehevette. and oooh yeah.
they cut the car in everywich wa, and got, off the boneyard too, the necesary suspension and transmision parts (a GM 12 bolt BOP rearend and 4l80e (I think) trans off a scrounged buick) and some Vega suspension pieces. believe it or not, they achieved a 48/52 weight distribution by placing the engine far back, so that the carburetor was right under the cowl vents of the car. the tranny tunnel was running inside the cabin, yet seating position remained stock. with a completely gutted interior and some 10 inch slicks (used) this thing ran a best of 11. 6someting before they were kicked out of the strip because they didn't have a rollbar.
NOW. how much money do you think this thing costed? and think realy low bucks. hehe, the price for the whole project, including car purchase, was a mere $2200.

THAT is something wild we ALL can do. yeah, its too wild for really be considered a car, but you could say that you run 11s for 2000 dollars. now imagine what 4000 could get you (:

Cano
 
Yep Cano, I actually have that Hot Rod mag back home (and thats how I learned about the interesting possiblites of this engine. Also, I saw someone's website who transplanted one into a old Beetle--turns out the framerails are the exact same distance apart ina Beetle and a Eldorado). :) Did you see the motor buildup they did later on? Just pulling the accessory belts, adding a cam, headers and intake put the junkyard motor around 450 hp and 450 ft-lbs of tq, as I recall. And that was before the head swap. I dont exactly remeber the numbers though.

It was a cool project, but completely undriveable on the street.
 
Originally posted by Cano
THAT is something wild we ALL can do. yeah, its too wild for really be considered a car, but you could say that you run 11s for 2000 dollars. now imagine what 4000 could get you (:
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12.5:1 .. Did this beast even run on pump gas?


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1965 Chrysler Valiant.

440 c.i. (7.2 litre) Dodge magnum V8.
Quad Holley Carbies
GM Supercharger
Anywhere between 600-1200 horses at the rear wheels
A true drag monster.

1985 AE86 Sprinter
1G-GTE 2.0 Litre twin turbo inline six
full initial D style (white and black)
Trueno front end

2004 Lancer Evolution
Paint it in candy red.
Put in a really classy sound system using all ALPINE, pioneer and focal components (no subs or tv's)
Beef up the brembo brakes
Get the engine modded to 300kW at the wheels.
 
I have car ideas and after I move and have a garage that is useful for anything other than cramming two cars in with just enough room to squeeze by and get in I would like to restore any of the following:

1970-1 Mustang Mach1
1967 Firebird 400
1968-70 Challenger
1967-72 Camaro
 
Originally posted by ///M-Spec
12.5:1 .. Did this beast even run on pump gas?


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:lol: In a word, no. Remeber, it was a junkyard motor with factory parts ad probably 60,000+ plus miles on them.
 
Take a yugo and put a 350 in it. (It wouldn't even fit!)

It's the thought that counts...... or is it the thoughtlessness?
 
"if it doesn't fit you have no fabrication skills" or "if it doesn't fit get a bigger hammer"

You choose but a 350 could fit with some finess
 
Originally posted by Takumi Fujiwara
Why go for that? My destructive project dream is to fit a beater with radio controls, take it out to the desert,and have it drive around while we shoot at it! :lol:
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Sorry mate, it's been done. I have a video of some guys doing it to a (old) Toyota Camry. It was sooooooo funny. The eventually flipped it off a 25 fot sand dune, rolld it back over, fullRPM for 5 minutes, then it stalled, then some guy peed on it.

Same as your plan, but without the shooting part.


My project? Some supersleeper. Like a Suzuki Aerio 5 door, strip the back 2/3 of the car, and put some HUGE motor in it... Like a pair of V8s or something...
 
Murphy's law says, "If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it probably needed fixing anyway.
 
Originally posted by skip0110
...and thats how I learned about the interesting possiblites of this engine. Also, I saw someone's website who transplanted one into a old Beetle--turns out the framerails are the exact same distance apart ina Beetle and a Eldorado). :)...
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Found the link...
http://www.500cid.com/mts/Rides/joe/stepone.html
...take a look at some of the pictures there.

Also, for other 500 cid Cad powered rod/projects/customs, see the links at http://www.500cid.com/mts/Rides/index.htm
 
Just to make things clear, I'd like to ask a simple question. With money, anything is possible...right?

If that's the case, then I'd like to drop a Lamborghini v12 into the back end of a Toyota Prius...If at all possible, then I'd like a Bugatti 16 cylinder (with all 4 turbos mind you) in there just for the hell of it. Hell, why even a prius? I'm sure a smaller, lighter vehicle can be found. It'd be a tight squeeze, but think of the power to weight ratio :D:D
 
Originally posted by sliderulz
1965 Chrysler Valiant.

440 c.i. (7.2 litre) Dodge magnum V8.
Quad Holley Carbies
GM Supercharger
Anywhere between 600-1200 horses at the rear wheels
A true drag monster.
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you'd need more, WAY more than the parts listed to acomplish that HP figure, and with that thing's weight it would be a monster, but not a very savage one. on the 500 ci hevette, they ran the engine with 105 Sunoco racing fuel and kept the shift points under 5200 to avoid stressing the old, used motor. still, with the money paid for that car, get some other 2000 in the engine to make it run smoothly and it can be something just incredible.

Cano

also, thanks for the link Skip! its cool!
EDIT: it's not cool. its ABSOLUTELY insane. amazing. the 500 CI stuffed in a VW is simply the wickedest thing I've ever seen and I want one. I will try that one one day, I promise. the only doubt I have is that the cadoo has to be front wheel driven, right?
but, amazing...
 

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