Winter Testing Thread!

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Well, now the 2007 season is over, teams are getting ready to start testing again for next season. This may be a bit early to start this thread, but I heard that there is going to be a test in Barcelona sometime in November. So who can be expected to turn up, who is not, who is testing for who, etc. I will also keep you informed on the test times as well, everyone else is welcome to do the same! 👍

PS: This thread is for every winter testing season, OK! It's not just for this seasons winter tests!
 
Does anybody thing we should do such a thread when Winter-testing is close?

I mean, we don't even have an unveiling-thread (for obvious reasons - the closest unveiling, the BMW Sauber F1.08, will be in January), so why a Winter-testing thread?
 
Winter testing starts in about 2 weeks or something.

That said there is already 2 other 2008 threads of some description..
 
Does anybody thing we should do such a thread when Winter-testing is close?

I mean, we don't even have an unveiling-thread (for obvious reasons - the closest unveiling, the BMW Sauber F1.08, will be in January), so why a Winter-testing thread?
Well, the reason is is so that we can keep track of the progress of every team and driver, and see who looks in best shape for the new season. Reall y this is mostly done by looking at lap times! :)
 
I suspect that BMW may try more extensive testing for extensive development after a strong season by both Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica. They may test for a better car to at last challenge the upper echelon teams, though they are on the threshold of becoming one of them. It can't be denied that 2nd place in the Constructor's Title race of 2007 is right on the mark for this (though McLaren were dropped), so, realizing that they have the potential to challenge Ferrari and McLaren, they may work harder after that confidence boost.
 
I suspect that BMW may try more extensive testing for extensive development after a strong season by both Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica. They may test for a better car to at last challenge the upper echelon teams, though they are on the threshold of becoming one of them. It can't be denied that 2nd place in the Constructor's Title race of 2007 is right on the mark for this (though McLaren were dropped), so, realizing that they have the potential to challenge Ferrari and McLaren, they may work harder after that confidence boost.


In the same context

BMW wants first win in 2008


ITV-F1.com
BMW Sauber boss Mario Theissen says the team is aiming to score its first Formula 1 victory at the very least in 2008 as it looks to close the gap to Ferrari and McLaren.

The Hinwil-based squad comfortably emerged as the season’s third-fastest team this year, with its impressive F1.07 car propelling it out of its perennial position in the midfield and behind just the top two.

Now looking ahead to the outfit’s third year under BMW ownership, Theissen admits it is looking to make the next step over the winter, and although he concedes it won’t be easy, he is hopeful of at least one win in 2008.

“Obviously that's what we're aiming for,” he said in an interview for team sponsor Credit Suisse’s e-magazine.

“We want to win our first race next year, and I hope that ultimately it'll be more than just one victory.

“But we also know how difficult that'll be, because both Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes have been at the top for many years now and they obviously have a head start in terms of experience.

“Getting one up on those two teams will be a hard nut to crack.”

While it maintained it position behind the top two teams for the whole of the season, it faced increasing competition from Williams, Red Bull and Renault in particular over the closing races of the year.

Theissen acknowledges his team isn’t the only one with lofty ambitions for 2008 and says that with the pressure upon many of its rivals to deliver only increasing, BMW must guard against complacency.

“Not only are our rivals far from standing still: They're also under massive pressure,” he said.

“That's why we need to deal with a situation where everyone is putting their foot down just as much as we are.

“Renault is the first that springs to mind on that score.

“In the closing races of this season, I also saw good form on display from Williams and Red Bull - and so we need to keep our eyes on them too.

“As for Honda and Toyota, it's difficult to guess how things will go for them.”

BMW topped a century of points in a season for the first time in 2007, with Nick Heidfeld bagging 22 more than his highly-valued young team-mate Robert Kubica.

Theissen says there were various reasons why Heidfeld led the way for the majority of the season – but says he expects to see the pair much closer on pace from the off next season.

“It was due to a whole series of factors,” he said.

“At the start of the season, Robert had more technical problems to contend with, and he found the switch to standardised tires more difficult to deal with than Nick.

“On top of that, there was his serious accident at the Canadian Grand Prix.

“In the second half of the season, the two of them drove significantly closer together; next year, therefore, I'm expecting them to be on a par.”

Its going to be hard, but if nothing goes wrong I do think they would be able to close the gap a bit more
 
i didnt wanted to open a new thread so i guss i can put it here


Schumacher to test Ferrari at Barcelona
06 November 2007

Michael Schumacher will be back behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car next week as the German will test Ferrari's 2007 championship-winning F1 car next week at Barcelona in a two-day test.

38-year-old Schumacher retired from F1 at the end of 2006 and only attended a handful of races this year as a technical advisor to the Ferrari team. "It's half for pleasure, half for technical reasons," Reuters quoted a Ferrari spokesman as saying.

Schumacher's spokswoman also revealed, "Michael has a lot of experience driving cars with no traction control and no electronic aids, so it makes sense for him to give his input."

Next year traction control systems and driver aids are being banned from F1.

Schumacher will drive on Tuesday and Wednesday next week at Barcelona


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Breaking news! Toyota never heard of HondaF1, the McLaren or Minardi.

'Toyota's TF108 will be very different'

Toyota's chassis manager Pascal Vasselon has said the team's car will be very different to this year's model. The Cologne based team had a disappointing season in 2007 and will have to start scoring regular podium positions soon with its Formula 1 team.

Speaking with F1 Racing magazine Vasselon revealed: "Our 2008 car will be very different. I wouldn't say 'revolutionary' because nature is continuous. For instance, you don't go from being stupid to intelligent, or back again, from one day to the next.

"So, although our car will be very different, it will be a normal evolution according to what we've learned through experience - and where we are in terms of understanding our performances.

"We're working on a schedule that's probably similar to the other teams," he explained. "We started on the 2008 car very early - in January. Fuji was the last major upgrade for 2007."

Apparently they didn't notice Honda's race-winning RA06 turned into a sluggish turd, or McLaren's on-off pace during the last seasons, or Minardi's new-car-twice-a-decade. Otherwise, they wouldn't have said you can't go from intelligent to stupid :p
 
Breaking news! Toyota never heard of HondaF1, the McLaren or Minardi.



Apparently they didn't notice Honda's race-winning RA06 turned into a sluggish turd, or McLaren's on-off pace during the last seasons, or Minardi's new-car-twice-a-decade. Otherwise, they wouldn't have said you can't go from intelligent to stupid :p
Cool! :) I'm very intrested in the Schumacher thing though. Here is the information I got a website called F1 Live!
Michael Schumacher will drive Ferrari's 2007 Formula One car at the upcoming post-season test at Circuit de Catalunya.

The retired seven time World Champion has ruled out wild speculation that he might replace Fernando Alonso at McLaren next year.

But it did emerge late on Monday that Schumacher, who raced for the Italian team between 1996 and last year, will emerge from the Ferrari garage early next week at the wheel of the championship-winning F2007 in Barcelona.

At Valencia where the German impressively tested Ducati's MotoGP bike on Monday, Schumacher told the newspaper Bild-Zeitung that he would test the Ferrari not for fun but to contribute to the team's development programme ahead of the traction control ban in 2008.

Ferrari spokesman Luca Colajanni said the German ace has recently expressed his desire to take part in official testing.
The German's early experience driving in non computer-assisted cars at the beginning of his career will prove valuable for the Italian outfit who have lined him up for testing next week.

Finland's Kimi Raikkonen, the newly-crowned world drivers champion, and Brazilian Felipe Massa currently drive in computer-assisted Ferraris but new rule changes for 2008 regarding the system mean that Schumacher's experience will be invaluable.

"We've always said that if Michael showed any desire, we would have him back for such a session," Colajanni told the SID news agency. "His experience will be a big help to us."

"I am glad that I can help the team," Schumacher said.
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the German impressively tested Ducati's MotoGP bike

I'm interested in this bit.

The guy was 5 seconds slower than the fastest on the track. You call that impressive?

(I do, considering he's raced cars and not bikes - but still, it's far from impressive at MotoGP, and I guess without the Ferrari/Ducati connection via Fiat, he wouldn't have had the test)
 
I'm interested in this bit.

The guy was 5 seconds slower than the fastest on the track. You call that impressive?

(I do, considering he's raced cars and not bikes - but still, it's far from impressive at MotoGP, and I guess without the Ferrari/Ducati connection via Fiat, he wouldn't have had the test)

Was the fastest run with a Ducati bike?
 
Was the fastest run with a Ducati bike?

Fastest runner was a Repsol-Honda, Dani Pedrosa's.

Were the other Ducatis also 5 seconds off the pace? No, they already sealed the championship, and Casey Stoner was fastest in the first session (Schumacher took his bike for the session, so he didn't run), so they couldn't have been far off.
 
Are'nt we going a little off-topic here.

Just another thought. I'm not sure of Schumacher will be that helpful to the team in their first test without computers for 3-decades. Sure, he raced these non-computer aided cars at the start of his career, but that was like 15 years ago!
 
Yeah, and we were arguing why they said he was "successful" despite being 5 seconds off the pace.

I’d say that’s an awesome time for a guy who doesn’t race bikes. You make so much time through the corners based on lean-angle, and for a guy who doesn’t race bikes that must be very difficult.

Also 5 seconds isn’t that much, he was still lapping within 6% of professional bike racers’ times.

I'm not sure of Schumacher will be that helpful to the team in their first test without computers for 3-decades. Sure, he raced these non-computer aided cars at the start of his career, but thid was like 15 years ago!

Wow. It took me like 30 seconds to understand what you were trying to say there. I think you were wondering whether he would be helpful in a test without driver aids…

If so, driver aids became legal again at the Spanish GP in 2001, so most of the current fields main contenders have raced without TC (in theory at least; it was very difficult to police). And I think you are very mistaken if you believe a man with the technical knowledge, work ethic, and driving skills of Schumacher will not be helpful to a team as a test driver.

He is probably the best test driver Ferrari has ever had. Or any team, for that matter.

Pitty Räikkönen isn’t testing for a while. Schumacher and Kimi will probably not get to share the same day of testing. Ferrari would never let us compare them in equal circumstances, would they? :ouch:
 
No, the cars in the year 2000 did use traction control. I'm pretty sure it first came about when Williams used it on their FW14, but it got outlawed at the start of 1994 along with all other driver aids. However, after Senna's accident, they decieded to reinstate these driver aids.

Edit: Nope, you're right. I was in 2001 that it was allowed TC and lauch control were allowed again, Sorry!
 
No, the cars in the year 2000 did use traction control. It first came about when Williams used it on their FW14, but it got outlawed at the start of 1994 along with all other driver aids. However, after Senna's accident, they decided to reinstate these driver aids.

You're contradicting, and misunderstanding.

In '01, they re-allowed TC simply because they realized that it wasn't possible to monitor TC anymore. So they legalized what basically all the top-teams already had on the car. Point is, however, Schumacher raced non-TC cars seven years ago, though it could be argued whether they actually had TC, or not - officially, they didn't have TC. That should be the end of this discussion.


And the other point. Electronic goodies appeared starting in the mid-'80s, and yes - were banned in '94. However, you say they reinstated those after Senna's accident - yet that accident was in '94 as well? How can they reinstate TC in '01 while also banning and reinstating in '94, and not banning it again?

(Also noteworthy: a very crude form of Traction Control appeared as early as the '60s - the CVT transmission raced by DAF in Formula 3, as the transmission automatically adjusted itself to the spinning (Read: Faster-turning) wheel by jacking up the ratio, hence slowing it back down.)
 
Edit: Nope, you're right. I was in 2001 that it was allowed TC and lauch control were allowed again, Sorry!

Which is exactly what Blake said. Please read before you post. You just seem to barge in and post without reading what folk are actually saying.
 
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The champ is back. ;)
 
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