WRC -- Group B

Oh yes ... this were the best days of rally racing. I have few GB of movies on group B. They were all found on p2p programs (e-mule). Search as group B/audi/lancia ... or sth ...

Let me try to sum up a story about these cars, which was written by my friend. Sorry for mistakes, it's being translated as I type :).

In 1979 FISA (part of FIA Rally department) allowed use of 4WD in rally. But manufacturers believed it was not possible because it was complicated and heavy and so on. They depended on the good old proven RWD of Lancia Stratos, fiat 131 abarth, renault A110, R5 turbo, ford escort, opel, ... But there was the newcomer in rally championship. And they thought 4wd was great idea. They employed one at that time top rally driver - Hannu Mikola, who was at the first idea of 4WD dissapointed, but he soon discovered the potencial of that. In 1980 as a part of testing, Audi entered their yet to be homologated car - Audi quattro, as a pre-race car. The surprise was perfect. The car was more than 15 minutes faster than the winner of rally. Other companies were just dumbfounded.

In 1981 Audi entered the championship with their first original Audi Quattro. Drivers were Hannu Mikkola and Michele Mouton and some test drivers. In 1981 Swedish rally for example, Quattro caught up on the road with Lancia Stratos which started one minute before, after only 10km of racing. And in San Remo Rally, Michele Mouton entered history books as the only so far and the first ever woman to win a World Rally Championship race. She almoust became a World Champion that year. Audi took the Constructors Championship without problems, but Michelle lost to Opel's Water Rohrl in the last race, as Audi in interest of racing didn't want to interfere with drivers racing.

So in 1982 FISA introduced Group B. Anyone could enter. You only had to make 200 serial cars of that sort, with no restrictions on turbo and superchargers. The only limit was the engine capacity - 3000cc for NA engine and 2142 (factor 1.4) for turbocharged or supercharged engines.

So in 1983 Audi was the only one with fully prepared car for group B. Only competition Audi found in Lancia 037, midengined RWD car, which performed extremely good on tarmac, but audi was better on slippery surfaces. Lancia won that year's consructors championship, which was last for a 2WD car.

As it was good, Quattro showed it's weaknesses when Peugeot 205 T16 entered. Audi had front engined car, which was very nose-heavy. Even the new version of Sport Quattro (shorter wheelbase) was not so much better. But the new 205 had space frame, mid engine car, 50:50 weight distribution and the best drivers at the time. They became very succesfull immidately. To improve their performance Audi introduced The most powerful Rally car of all times. The mighty Audi S1. The car had 650HP and was very fast. Towards the end of Group B Audi was allready preparing and testing the 1000HP version, which had nasty tendancy to go only straight at full throttle acceleration. They didn't get past prototype, but it was a clear example, that power was not everything. In 11 months Audi S1 won only one rally event.

In late 1985 Lancia finnaly introduced their weapon for group B. The Lancia S4. It was a sensation. Mid engined 4WD car with supercharger (at low rpm) AND turbocharger (at high rpm) this was the best car of group B. Everybody was eager to see the fight between 205 T16 and S4 in 1986. But fate decided that that year became the worst year in rally history.

Since the introduction of Group B experts were warning that power and speed of group B were growing out of control. And there was also the uncontrollable crowds of spectators on all events. People were crazy these days. Standing half a meter from the road, on which rally cars with 500HP+ were driving sideways - that was the time bomb, waiting to explode. But luckily for all, 1983 and 84 were great years. No accidents happened. But in 1985 it started. In may italian driver Bettega died in Corsica in his Lancia 037. All drivers were in shock and they weren't calmed down, when another accident happened. Ari Vatanen flew off the road in Argentina and rolled his car several times. That would not be extremely bad, bad his seat separated from the car bottom and he was bouncing inside the car uncontrollably. He was hurt very badly, and it took him more than a year to return in rally car. But he never again entered group B race. Because 1986 Portugal Rally started. Uncontrollable crowds on the side of the road were too much. Portugese driver Santos lost control of his RS200 and flew into the crowd. Six were killed and several wounded. All factories stopped the rally immidiately. But it wasn't the end yet. Two months later another accident marked the end of that era. Finnish driver Henri Toivonen who was leading the rally in Corsica didn't show up at the end of one stage. Team members were asking drivers if anyone has seen him. Few hours later his car was found, more than 100 meters below the road. He flew off the cliff and exploded on impact. Driver and co-driver had no chance.

FISA had enough. The "killer bee's" had to be stopped. In 1987 they introduced group A rules with cars only at about 250HP. Todays WRC with 1230 kg and 300HP sound a lot slower than Group B's aproximately 950kg and 500HP+. But the introduction of active diferentials, handbrake (remember - in 1980s 4WD was permanent, handbrake was useless on a stage). In a straight line, Group B was unbeatable, but modern WRC cars gain A LOT in corners. Just imagine ... Lancia S4 with proper gearing and it's 4WD could accelerate from 0 to 100km/h in just over 2 seconds! And that on gravel!!! That time's F1 race car with 1200HP needed a tenth of a second more .. on tarmac! Another incredible information is also - in 1986 Portugal Rally they had special stage on Estoril track. The winner of that stage - Toivonen - achieved time, that would put him in 3rd start row of that year's F1 race on that circuit, right next to Ayrton Senna and Keke Rosberg.

Group B lasted only 4 years, but left incredible mark on motorsport world.

Pictures of all kinds can be found on google. Won't stick 'em here. If you're interested, look them up. But have prepared a sample from one of my group B video, just to show you the incredible crowds in group B. It's only 7 MB ...

http://users.volja.net/gturismo88/Best.of.GroupB.avi-[660MB-1h.27m.53s]-Sample.avi
 
Sorry for some mistakes in upper text, but you get the general picture :)

ALso to mention - cars of group B after their rallying entered USA's Pikes Peak Race to the Clouds... can writa something about that too if you want ...
 
Since I have some time, why don't I do this now ...

Well, most info about Pikes Peak Race to the Clouds can be found at http://www.ppihc.com, the track, pictures, previous records, ... SThe page was recently renovated so I hope all the data is still there. I'm almost sure there is :D.

Quote on tha page ... "The Pikes Peak International Hill Climb, the second oldest auto race in the United States (second only to the Indy 500), originated in 1916. The Hill Climb is a speed contest for motorized vehicles that runs (with the exception of motorcycles, side cars and ATV's) one vehicle at a time against the clock. The traditional starting line is Mile Post 7 at an altitude of 9,400 feet (2865m). The finish line, 12.42 miles (almost 20km) away at the summit, is 14,110 feet (4300m) altitude for a vertical rise of almost 5,000 feet (1435m). There are 156 separate curves, a maximum ascent of 10% and a minimum descent of 3% on the course. The road surface is well-maintained of asphalt, and decomposed Pikes Peak granite."

Towards the end of group B this "All American Race to The Clouds" was visited by Audi and it's quattro and S1. Americans could only watch, as Audi in it's first serius appearance broke the track record. The previous record (11:38,40) was broken by 13 seconds to 11:25,39. And who did that? It was Michele Mouton, the only woman to ever win rally race. After that Audi's ranks entered Boby Unser, winner of past races in 1960s and expert on the track. In 1986 he corrected the record to 11:09,22. First man to break the 11 minutes barrier was no other than Audi's Rally driver Walter Rohrl, who in 1987 drove the incredible time of 10:47,22. He was driving the might Audi S1 "Pikes Peak", which had even more wings. S1 was designed like it was for one rason only - to push the car to the ground as much as possible. The whole car was one big spoiler. But the Pikes Peak version had small wings added to it, just to give that extra downforce and so more traction. It was really a formidable car.

All these years Peugeot with 205 T16 and Vatanen was also there, but the car just wasn't fast enough. So in 1988 (as Audi retired from group B and racing with Audi S1) they entered with brand new 405 T16. The car had more power, 4WD, 4wheel steering, and added wings for downforce. Car was specially custom made for that race only and with it Ari Vatanen, after so many years of trying with 205 T16, finally broke Audi's domination and with time of 11:47,22 beat Rohrl's time for just over half a second. That race is also presented on a short film, which was awarded at a film festival at that time. The movie can be found on p2p programs (search for vatannen, peuget, pikes peak, race to the clouds, aprox 70 or 80MB). It's worth of watching, as you see the car slide right on the edge of the cliff ... :).

That time sttod for years and was only broken in 1993 when american Paul Dallenbach in open-wheel category drove 10:43.63. After many years trying, in 1994 Rod Millen entered the race with custom made toyota celica (just check the pics on google, it's unrecognizable :) ) and shattered the record. The time of 10:04,06 is still the record of the track. Millen tried in next years to beat it with custom made Toyota Tacoma but just couldn't. He wanted to be the first under 10 minutes but didn't succeed. More can be found at www.rodmillen.com.

Yes, it really was incredible race....
 
Here real specs: http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/bryhma/Autot.htm

Specs are taken from official (?) book Rallycourse... Information is in Finnish but ask if you don't understand something. Group B cars were banned because in Portugal 1986 Ford RS200 drove out of road and FOUR spectactors were killed then in next rally Corsica (Tour de Corse) in stage 17 (CORTE) Henri Toivonen, Finnish rally driver, died when his LANCIA DELTA S4 went off the road and burnt. After that FISA kept it's famous 24 hour meeting (I don't remember the word) and banned Group B and planned Group S.

Henri's burned Lancia was not found after few hours of looking :mad: :mad: 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: 🤬 🤬 🤬 :mad: :mad: :mad:
It happened on stage you fool. Henri was first or second driver started to stage. After Toivonen crashed 7 km from start the black smoke was on start place seen right after it happened. For example Alén saw it before he start. Bruno Saby, Markku Alén and Jean Ragnotti came to the place almost right after he crashed. They couldn't help him because car burned with big flames and there was really hot. No-one knows the reason why he went off road... And Saby's co-driver called to the start off stage after they came to crashing place.

Group B cars were made on plastic (yes you readed right) and different kinds of fibre (but not carbon). They burned very easily and fuel tanks were very unsafety.

Thanks, I haven't seen Group S Audi before!!
 
Dude - chill ...

As far as my info goes from a few books and internet sites, there were six killed. Sadly.

I didn't write, that they were looking for Toivonen's car for few hours. You made that up. His car was found later (meaning the remanings of the car, after the fire.). It is quite obvious that fire would be seen ...

Cars were plastic and composite to reduce their weight. Unfortunately for Toivonen that material was quite flammable. And when you include fuel in a gas tank, which were not crash tested and safety proofed, the result is obviuos.

So please stop calling me fool!!!

As for Audi group S - the car is on display at the entrance of Audi Museum in Ingolstadt, together with some other Audi/DKW/Horsch Prototypes and Concept cars. I have been there about 14 days ago and it really looks nice. The Audi Quattro Rally is also on display in the museum. Unfortunately there is no Rally Sport Quattro or S1 or perhaps S1 "Pikes Peak". I highly reccomend to visit that museum, if you have a chance.

And also - data for Audi S1 on that link of yours is not completely correct for Audi S1. It peaked at 650HP not 500HP. That is the original factory data and is presented in Audi Museum. But for some events the car had it's power reduced in order to make it more controllable. That was confirmed by Audi and it's drivers in interviews.
 
Sorry I had bad day yesterday...

If you read carefully, in my site there is MIN 500 hv (=hp) for Audi S1 so it is minimum power that they used... They tested Audi with 1000 hp but no-one could drive that it gone only straigth!!!
 
Hmm, really didn't see MIN ... then it's OK :).

Yeah, no problem. Everyone has a bad day sometimes. Hope won't be many of them anymore :D.

I would really love to see that 1000HP monster in action. And just imagine, what would go through driver's thoughts, when he pushes the accelerator ind the car goes straight. It had to be incredible.
 
I also heard story that when peugeot tried 700 hp version of 205 T16, Kankkunen's and he's co-driver's headphones went to the back of the car when Kankkunen accelerated! The force off car was so big! :eek:
 
I'm sorry to revive such old topic, but it's awesome. Does anyone has updated and working links to movies of that era??
I've downloaded The World's Greatest Rally Cars and there's a little footage of Group B on it...i'd like to see more of it.
Thank you!
 
Holy ****, that Audi video makes modern rallying look pedestrian....that has to be one of the best car vids I've seen.
 
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