X and Square

[Sunzi]

Think this has probably come up before so don't shoot me!

How much of a disadvantage is it over triggers? Logically the triggers offer gradual input/modulation which I can understand the benefit of but is it worth changing to gain a bit more of a competitive edge for, say, Sport mode?

I've done well to good at most things in offline, Licenses, missions but doubts are starting to creep in as to whether I'm giving myself the best chance to try and play a bit more competitively online.

I'm really comfortable that the thought of switching is really off-putting but if its worth it then I'd consider it... as I say doubts are creeping in a bit already.

Thanks in advance ☺️

 

[Fuzzi0n]

I'd say it's a massive disadvantage for braking, especially if you run cars without ABS. Throttle control you might be ok if you stab at it a bunch or run TC1, but even there you're giving away a lot of granularity of your inputs.

Unless you've got some form of disability that prevents you from using them I'd recommend making the switch, even if it'll be worse for a while. The other advantage then is you can use those buttons for other controls, like gear up/down. I've always used the triggers on my Xbox controller on PC so the PS4 controller was easy to switch to, but I had to use the right analogue stick for GT5 and GT6 because I hated the triggers on the DS3. That was a slight disadvantage but was easy enough to switch back and forth.

 

[Nuschel01]

How much of a disadvantage is it over triggers?

Yes. (In a nutshell)

 

[Samus]

Do you drive in real life? If so, I assume you don't press the pedals either 100% down, or not at all. You need modulation, whether you're driving casually or performance driving/racing.

 

[Sunzi]

Do you drive in real life? If so, I assume you don't press the pedals either 100% down, or not at all. You need modulation, whether you're driving casually or performance driving/racing.

Of course not. I know why the triggers do what they do mate.

I'm trying to work out how much of a disadvantage I'm at, or instead how much more of an edge my ability will gain.

As I say, I've Golded everything I've tried so far (all missions, Licenses, cafes, races and all CE's that I've tried). Question is would I be doing those better if I adapted to the triggers?

I know what the triggers do. Thanks.

 

[Cosbuster]

Apart from it being a pretty big disadvantage, I'd argue it takes away much of the game's fun when driving.

 

[sanrensho]

I've use x and square since GT3. They work just fine for me. Stay the course and let the haters hate.

 

[Samus]

Of course not. I know why the triggers do what they do mate.

I'm trying to work out how much of a disadvantage I'm at, or instead how much more of an edge my ability will gain.

As I say, I've Golded everything I've tried so far (all missions, Licenses, cafes, races and all CE's that I've tried). Question is would I be doing those better if I adapted to the triggers?

I know what the triggers do. Thanks.

Well OK, but it's not like anyone can quantify how much it'll disadvantage you. Only one way to find out, spend some time with the triggers and see if you gradually improve.

I've use x and square since GT3. They work just fine for me. Stay the course and let the haters hate.

Nobody is hating, it's just a simple fact that since PS4 the controllers have not had analog face buttons, they're either on or off, and that's not going to be great for driving. If you want to stick with it, you do you.

 

[Sunzi]

Well OK, but it's not like anyone can quantify how much it'll disadvantage you. Only one way to find out, spend some time with the triggers and see if you gradually improve.


Nobody is hating, it's just a simple fact that since PS4 the controllers have not had analog face buttons, they're either on or off, and that's not going to be great for driving. If you want to stick with it, you do you.

Yeah - not asking for anyone to quantify the difference. Just wondering if anyone can speak from experience on the matter and present more than what I don't already understand into convincing me to look into switching.

 

[CoenRSD]

Never tried it to be honest but i can imagine it puts you in a huge disadvantage in all aspects.

 

[Lux Klonoa]

I've use x and square since GT3. They work just fine for me. Stay the course and let the haters hate.

Same here, but only 'cause I'm actually disabled and can't reach the triggers very well. I can still get a podium in sport mode from time to time, though.

That said, yeah, obviously anything that's actually analog, be it the triggers or pedals, will help you in controlling your speed more accurately.

 

[Rizla]

Me & my 2 mates all used the analog face buttons since the became a thing, the shift to the DS4 made me immediately switch to the triggers as there was no way I was going back to digital.

My 2 mates stuck with the face buttons & I thrashed them for most of Sport until they got wheels. Watching them, they were constantly mashing the X button to simulate modulating the throttle through the corners & braking was just on/off. Now and again they could do a surprise time, but mostly off by seconds a lap.

Like all things, I'm betting there's folks out there fast as hell using digital face buttons. Good luck.

 

[Talon16]

Of course it's worth it.

 

[Sunzi]

The reset begins.

Time to do it all again using the triggers.

Dreading it but needs must.

 

[Rizla]

The reset begins.

Time to do it all again using the triggers.

Dreading it but needs must.

Hopefully it will be a doddle, I was surprised how easy the switch was, I couldn't use the DS3 triggers as my fingers kept slipping off of them. Be Donald ducked if the DS4 triggers were the same.

Also noticed my tire wear & fuel consumption were far better than my mates who stuck to the face buttons.
Let us know how you get on.

 

[Veinz]

It’s a huge disadvantage not using the triggers. It may be daunting at first but it will benefit you in the long term.

 

[Sunzi]

Hopefully it will be a doddle, I was surprised how easy the switch was, I couldn't use the DS3 triggers as my fingers kept slipping off of them. Be Donald ducked if the DS4 triggers were the same.

Also noticed my tire wear & fuel consumption were far better than my mates who stuck to the face buttons.
Let us know how you get on.

I don't mind trying to learn, knowing that I'm at a disadvantage is why these doubts have crept in and inmade this thread tbh. Mashing the accelerator through corners to replicate modulation just loses consistency, smoothness and with it time and competitiveness. It's not about winning at all costs - I just know that the lack of modulation is opening me upto ramming someone or completely dropping off the pace to avoid ramming them as I'm either applying 100% brake pressure or accelerator pressure using X and Square.

More than the switch and familiarity concerns is the ergonomics, it feels weird in the hands but I get a sort of strain in my wrist (ooo-errr) from using the triggers. Going to try and build the muscle memory for it though.

 

[The OG]

I use x for gas and square for brake... it just suits me better... using the triggers is uncomfortable and gets much worse when playing the game for a long time... but using square and x I can play a long time....

forgot to add that I use r2 for upshift and L2 for down shift

 

[Jewel Runner]

An alternative is to use right stick for brake and accelerate. That's what I went to from x and square. Never really got on with the r buttons.

 

[kjb]

An alternative is to use right stick for brake and accelerate. That's what I went to from x and square. Never really got on with the r buttons.

That's what I do right stick for gas/brake r1/l1 to shift gears. I use this for all of my racing games that allow it

 

[Samus]

An alternative is to use right stick for brake and accelerate. That's what I went to from x and square. Never really got on with the r buttons.

Problem with that is you can never be on the throttle and brake at the same time, it's always one or the other.

 

[prescription7]

I switched to triggers while playing GT Sport for the same reason.

Using X/Square for gearshifts always felt really unintuitive and clunky to me, but someone on here recommended setting gear up/gear down to the right analog stick, and I've been using that and I love it.

 

[Jewel Runner]

Problem with that is you can never be on the throttle and brake at the same time, it's always one or the other.

It's not a problem with pad. You won't be able to see any significant difference in time between "left foot (finger) braking" and "right foot (thumb) braking". I wouldn't be surprised if there is pages on here of people arguing about this. In fact you might be better with your right thumb because you have been using it already for x and square. But do whatever feels more comfortable to you.

Some good info here

The Pros & Cons of Left-Foot-Braking | Speed Secrets

Should you learn to left-foot-brake? There are pros and cons to doing so, so understand them before you take it on. Then practice it.

speedsecrets.com

PS I've had several top 20-100 times in GTS using right stick and triggers for gears.

 

[Sunzi]

Would suggest I've adapted.

S-4 at Tokyo is extremely telling this test took me the longest to complete originally. (Longer than S-10)

Completed it the 3rd time I finished a lap. Maybe 10-15mins in total.

Combo of MT, throttle/brake modulation, 0 Assists and familiarity/experience saw me do it in a 1:58:0XX - (The Gold time is 2:00:00 flat)

Same story with the S-9, Xanavi GTR around Deep Forest, this took me second longest. Again - just a 10 minute job this time and I was barely a second off with my first completed lap.

No matter how good I thought I was on X amd Square, I'm infinitely better within 2 weeks of switching. Of course, I expect more time and experience will make me even better.

 

[Meythia]

Nobody is hating, it's just a simple fact that since PS4 the controllers have not had analog face buttons, they're either on or off, and that's not going to be great for driving. If you want to stick with it, you do you.

This was for PS2 and PS3 only and I only remember GT and Zone of the Enders ever making use of it.
But clearly, having non binary inputs on brakling and throttle is a huge advantage for not upsetting the car on every small change of momentum.

 

[xMAXIx79]

Would suggest I've adapted.

S-4 at Tokyo is extremely telling this test took me the longest to complete originally. (Longer than S-10)

Completed it the 3rd time I finished a lap. Maybe 10-15mins in total.

Combo of MT, throttle/brake modulation, 0 Assists and familiarity/experience saw me do it in a 1:58:0XX - (The Gold time is 2:00:00 flat)

Same story with the S-9, Xanavi GTR around Deep Forest, this took me second longest. Again - just a 10 minute job this time and I was barely a second off with my first completed lap.

No matter how good I thought I was on X amd Square, I'm infinitely better within 2 weeks of switching. Of course, I expect more time and experience will make me even better.

I'm very happy for you that you could/can achieve noticeable and visible successes and advantages through your change to the "better"... that's how it should be and I suspect this fact will spark new enthusiasm and joy for driving. The same thing happens when you switch from pad to steering wheel.. it's weird at first, but once the body has learned what to do AND then the times get better.. or just the driving experience becomes more immersive... then everything is right.


And to all the doubters out there who think the X and Square are enough to go fast..... GO to the CE at the Nurburgring and drive the M6 achieve a good gold time or even more challenging, try to get into the 6.33.xx or 6.31,xxx to come. I'm 100% sure this is impossible with digital gas and brake pedals.

 

[Sunzi]

I'm very happy for you that you could/can achieve noticeable and visible successes and advantages through your change to the "better"... that's how it should be and I suspect this fact will spark new enthusiasm and joy for driving. The same thing happens when you switch from pad to steering wheel.. it's weird at first, but once the body has learned what to do AND then the times get better.. or just the driving experience becomes more immersive... then everything is right.


And to all the doubters out there who think the X and Square are enough to go fast..... GO to the CE at the Nurburgring and drive the M6 achieve a good gold time or even more challenging, try to get into the 6.33.xx or 6.31,xxx to come. I'm 100% sure this is impossible with digital gas and brake pedals.

Thanks buddy. Yes my enthusiasm is through the roof. I just want to play whenever I have a spare moment

I love the process of downshifting and powering out of/in to corners.

I'm very interested in a Wheel/Paddle shifters - I can imagine the shifting experience to be sexual when you nail the shifts perfectly, especially if the shifts feel mechanical (like the somewhat sound in game) for added immersion.

I'm very close to buying with a view to setting up a rig... but the latest FFB complaints I'm reading have put me off for the moment.

 

[xMAXIx79]

Thanks buddy. Yes my enthusiasm is through the roof. I just want to play whenever I have a spare moment

I love the process of downshifting and powering out of/in to corners.

I'm very interested in a Wheel/Paddle shifters - I can imagine the shifting experience to be sexual when you nail the shifts perfectly, especially if the shifts feel mechanical (like the somewhat sound in game) for added immersion.

I'm very close to buying with a view to setting up a rig... but the latest FFB complaints I'm reading have put me off for the moment.

A rig is an investment that needs to be considered, but it's definitely worth it... Don't think too linearly when it comes to steering wheels.. there are other great games besides GT. In addition, you can also use such a steering wheel on the PC if you have one.

The current "problem" will be fixed for sure and the power of the FFB will be increased.

If YOU want to test it "cheaply".... a T150 eg. or the Logitec are NOT affected by this patch.
A T150 is the "weakest" steering wheel on the market, but you can get it very cheap AND you can combine it with the T-LCM..... THAT is really fun for little money.