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Ecclestone reveals special 'Ferrari deal'

20 December 2008

As Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has said he wants to see a greater transparency from Ecclestone about the revenues in Formula 1 Bernie Ecclestone now hits back at the Italian by revealing Ferrari's special deal with Formula 1 where the Scuderia is receiving millions of dollars extra.

An angry Ecclestone has told The Times that the Ferrari president should be the last person to be complaining about how much revenue the teams receive. "The only thing he has not mentioned is the extra money Ferrari get above all the other teams and all the extra things Ferrari have had for years - the 'general help' they are considered to have had in Formula One," Ecclestone told The Times.

"Ferrari get so much more money than everyone else," Ecclestone said. "They know exactly what they get, they are not that stupid, although they are not that bright, either. They get about $80 million (about £54 million) more. When they win the constructors' championship, which they did this year, they got $80 million more than if McLaren had won it."

Ecclestone reveals that the reason for paying Ferrari the extra $80 million goes back to 2003 when F1 teams tried to form a breakaway championship. Ecclestone explained: "They were the only team that broke ranks with the other manufacturers - why did they break ranks? That's where the $80 million comes in. We 'bought' Ferrari. We 'bought' Ferrari's loyalty. Our deal with Ferrari was that we 'bought' them so they would not go to the others."
I'm just going to sit back and let the conspiracy theorists take over, 'kay?
 
It is hard to fathom that even Ecclestone could possibly see any benefit in disclosing that info.:dunce:
 
He hasn't disclosed anything. I thought everybody knew Ferrari get financial bonuses over and above what any other team gets.

It's partly a thank you for not taking part in the break away and also for what the Ferrari brand brings to F1. It was common Knowledge at the time and not anything that was hidden.
 
also for what the Ferrari brand brings to F1.

Cheating, lies, subterfuge and a lingering sense that the decision makers of F1 need four showers a day, scratching at themselves muttering "Unclean! Unclean!", before they retire to bed in a Rosso Corsa bathrobe?
 
:eek: I'm shocked!











































Actually, no I'm not. It's been blatantly, glaringly obvious for years that the FIA showed preference towards Ferrari, and it's completely unsurprising that it's because if Ferrari pulls out of the series, F1 will pretty much die.
 
The funny thing is, now it's Ferrari again that is seen as the root of all the evil in the circus. But who's the fool, the one who asks, or the one who pays...
 
So the Ferrari International Assistance was closer to the truth, than most people thought!

This is for Belgium you wankers!:sly:
 
Can't say I'm quite surprised, though I do find it funny who the person is doing the complaining.
 
I'm really quite shocked at this revelation... if nothing else, it raises serious questions as to the legitimacy of certain decisions (notably the decision to strip McLaren of their Constructor's points in 2007), and also makes a complete mockery of the FIA's attempts to keep costs down! It may not be much of a secret to some people, but how will the other teams react?

With the future of the sport in the balance, and the sport still reeling from a controversial couple of years, a scandal such as this could easy deliver a knock-out blow to a sport where integrity and sportsmanlike behaviour are in very short supply already.
 
The teams were going to make a splinter championship in 2003? Boy, I wish that would've happened.
 
The teams were going to make a splinter championship in 2003? Boy, I wish that would've happened.

I think there were mentions in 2005 as well after the debacle that was the US GP.
Also again this year with the FIA threatening spec engines, some people were saying that perhaps the manufacturers would consider it because F1 would become useless to them.
 
I'm really quite shocked at this revelation... if nothing else, it raises serious questions as to the legitimacy of certain decisions (notably the decision to strip McLaren of their Constructor's points in 2007), and also makes a complete mockery of the FIA's attempts to keep costs down! It may not be much of a secret to some people, but how will the other teams react?

With the future of the sport in the balance, and the sport still reeling from a controversial couple of years, a scandal such as this could easy deliver a knock-out blow to a sport where integrity and sportsmanlike behaviour are in very short supply already.

It's no scandal. All the teams know about it and accepted it. I remember reading about this in Autosport magazine quite a few years ago, around the time of the previous Concorde agreement.
 
I guess it isn't, if the other teams know about it... but it still makes you wonder just what other special treatment Ferrari demand to keep them in the sport, including the odd favourable decision now and then...
 
I guess it isn't, if the other teams know about it... but it still makes you wonder just what other special treatment Ferrari demand to keep them in the sport, including the odd favourable decision now and then...

Yes, how soon till ol' Maxy gets to bring over the rope, chains, and leather?
 
It is hard to fathom that even Ecclestone could possibly see any benefit in disclosing that info.:dunce:
Actually, it's pretty simple: this is a power thing. Ferrari got an extra $80 million to stay in F1 back in 2003 whe the last raft of changes were introduced. With Ecclestone's grand plan for the future of the sport about to be introduced, Ferrari could well be angling for the same thing. But by making it public, Ecclestone removes their ability to demand it again.
Actually, no I'm not. It's been blatantly, glaringly obvious for years that the FIA showed preference towards Ferrari, and it's completely unsurprising that it's because if Ferrari pulls out of the series, F1 will pretty much die.
Actually, I gather it's Formula One Management, not the FIA, who paid Ferrari.
 
Actually, it's pretty simple: this is a power thing. Ferrari got an extra $80 million to stay in F1 back in 2003 whe the last raft of changes were introduced. With Ecclestone's grand plan for the future of the sport about to be introduced, Ferrari could well be angling for the same thing. But by making it public, Ecclestone removes their ability to demand it again.Actually, I gather it's Formula One Management, not the FIA, who paid Ferrari.

Ecclestone has said this to drive a wedge between Ferrari and the other teams. He doesn't like it when they are together against him.
 
Ecclestone has said this to drive a wedge between Ferrari and the other teams. He doesn't like it when they are together against him.
Of course he doesn't! Together, the teams have quite a bit of power, and they usually resist the changes the FIA and FOM want to intoduce. If the teams were left to their own devices, the sport would be getting faster and more expensive; the exact opposite of what Ecclestone and osley want.
 
Ferrari is an asset to the FIA, it's just been confirmed that there's a fiscal recognition. Frankly, followers of the sport have known this for ages.

It's the FIA decision-making process that's rotten.
 
As Giles said, Ferrari are F1. Like it or not, "Ferrari" is the first thing everyone in the world thinks of first when they hear "F1". Yes, they dominated for a few years, and this was boring - but they became synonymous with the sport.

The fact that stewards and WMSC judges appear to prefer Ferrari has nothing to do with FOM money.

Actually, I gather it's Formula One Management, not the FIA, who paid Ferrari.

Exactly. FOM != FIA - understand the differences, people!

Ferrari threatened to form a breakaway series together with the independent teams. To alleviate said threat, FOM (the company in charge of track-, team- and broadcasting-contracts) offered a handsome amount of cash. Simple as, and widely known.

Of course he doesn't! Together, the teams have quite a bit of power, and they usually resist the changes the FIA and FOM want to intoduce. If the teams were left to their own devices, the sport would be getting faster and more expensive; the exact opposite of what Ecclestone and osley want.

FOTA, the Team's Association, is perhaps the most united association of teams ever found in the sport. Mosley, at the same time, in his by-now famous "Spec-engine Letter", offered teams the option of a breakaway series, as long as it's FIA-sanctioned, should the teams decide to rid themselves of the FOM. Bernie is scared to death of this prospect, since a breakaway series would leave himself, CVC and FOM bankrupt and in debt. CVC indebted F1 with a gargantuan debt, and until F1 pays that debt off (which is basically impossible), they'll forever be bound to Bernie - unless they break off.

There's a distinct difference between Mosley's and Bernie's agendas. One, Max, is pushing for cost-cuts via spec parts and restrictions, and pushing a green agenda. The other is pushing for higher race-hosting fees, but not much else. Teams need the FIA, just like every other sport needs a sanctioning body - but they don't need the FOM. Teams on their own might not agree on rules, and some might spend beyond their means (those are things the FIA can and should care for) - but when things get hairy, like now, they'll unite against a bigger threat. The only thing the FOM does is, basically, take 50% off all TV- and track-contracts in return for managing them - the same thing the FIA could do on their own for less.
 
Exactly. FOM != FIA - understand the differences, people!

Ferrari threatened to form a breakaway series together with the independent teams. To alleviate said threat, FOM (the company in charge of track-, team- and broadcasting-contracts) offered a handsome amount of cash. Simple as, and widely known.
People see what they want to see. They believe that the FIA have been not-so-quietly assisting Ferrari for years, whether it was penalising McLaren for the Nigel Stepney affair, or dodgy calls from the stewards (even though it's the race stewards who make those calls, not Max Mosely). They read into it what they want, and so when Ecclestone says that Ferrari were given what really equates to an eighty-million dollar bribe, people see it as being proof of what they already believe to be true. Facts don't enter the equation.
 
Ferrari's deal with FOM is the better one. It doesn't surprise me.

And now the guy that accepted Ferrari's terms says, in anger and frustration:
We 'bought' Ferrari. We 'bought' Ferrari's loyalty. Our deal with Ferrari was that we 'bought' them so they would not go to the others."

It doesn't surprise me ... :lol:
 
Ferrari's deal with FOM is the better one. It doesn't surprise me.

And now the guy that accepted Ferrari's terms says, in anger and frustration:
We 'bought' Ferrari. We 'bought' Ferrari's loyalty. Our deal with Ferrari was that we 'bought' them so they would not go to the others."

It doesn't surprise me ... :lol:
I don't think that's the case either, really. I'm under the impressions that FOM said "We'll pay you eighty million dollars if you agree to stay in Formula One" to Ferrari, rather than Ferrari saying "Pay us eighty million dollars, or we're leaving Formula One" to FOM.
 
Can we still call it a 'conspiracy' if the guy clearly says "We 'bought' Ferrari"?

Saying this is a "conflict of interest" is an understatement of EPIC proportions...it's downright corrupted...

He hasn't disclosed anything. I thought everybody knew Ferrari get financial bonuses over and above what any other team gets.

It's partly a thank you for not taking part in the break away and also for what the Ferrari brand brings to F1. It was common Knowledge at the time and not anything that was hidden.

Apart from the certain realization that F1 is in Ferrari's pocket, I don't quite remember seeing any articles from 2003 describing what Bernie just said. Can you elaborate?

The funny thing is, now it's Ferrari again that is seen as the root of all the evil in the circus. But who's the fool, the one who asks, or the one who pays...

I suppose it's the one who pays...out of their hard earned money to go see a clean, unbiased, fair competition...who gets anything but.

I guess that makes fools of all of us...
 
I read about it in Autosport Magazine at the time. I don't have that issue anymore so I'm going on memory alone.
 
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