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m0rning-side
Hi there. I have been playing racing games all my life and typically beat my mates when playing 2p. However, i just cant do online in gt5! Every race i match my car to the PP requirements and the oposition just streak away. Its so frustrating as online would be amazing (i dont like AI). Am I just missing the fact that most guys online spend days optimising cars for PP requirements? What are your views on the online and how competitive are you? I am such a petrol head so its massively frustrating and if it means that i cant use my fave cars (PP matched) online then what is the point?

Love to hear how everyone else is getting on with online.
 
I completely agree, a huge percentage of people online now are using an 'optimal' car for each race with a decent tune, so if you want to race a stock car that isn't even one of the faster cars for it's pp category anyway, you don't really stand much of a chance. Skill can only get you so far :(.

The best things to do are to either 'go with the flow' and bring a cometatively tuned car to every race, or find some clubs to race with that have 'non-tuning' events. I've done a bit of both, and am thoroughly enjoying gt5 online!
 
I have a set of cars I use for certain tracks and pp levels, after playing every day for over a year you get to find what cars work best on a certain track or pp level, I have tunes for specific tracks and generally finish in the top placings online using a ds3 controller. It's just trial and error.
 
I only use Premium cars, ever. Don't get me wrong, I have a nice collection of standards but online I like to limit myself (which isn't a huge limit, but still). Sometimes it works out great, sometimes not so good like last night; 295bhp and 810kg limit so out came the Elise RM and won around Cote d'Azur by 11 seconds taking it easy in 3 laps, then it went to 345bhp and 920kg so I switched to an NSX, not so good, 6 seconds off first place against an FTO Super Touring Car.

I do think people go a little silly with the car choice, in my mind if you have to decrease power more than 10% you shouldn't really use it, unless it's say a JGTC race and the limit is 500bhp and you've modded it to some silly figure.
 
I found this out a lot!

Its only when you race people online, that you figure out how far off the pace i am.

I also found that if you use the power limiter to get your car in pp races, it takes more power away than if you were to de-select parts.

Try it, with the same car to get it into pp races, you may be surprised with how much power difference beween the two ways there is.....
 
My favorite strategy, works so far, but needs patience (<== you have this if you love the game)

Example, say you want to win at a 505 pp limited race, Take a car that you like, tune it to 499pp, and drive it for 400km till it breaks in nice and good, raising itself to 505pp. (from the increased HP you will gain)
Oh and very important, do not use engine limiter, not even 0.1%.

Use that car online. Of course, driving skills and knowledge of track to be able to drive it with a relaxed heart rate helps.
 
cheers, just a bit annoying when you want to race with a particular car (without spending an hour searching for a room). I love my audi R8 FSI. I find it to be faster than a ferrari 458 or lambo super volce.....but online vs similar PP cars it gets left behind. annoying as i keep seeing the SAME handful of cars online :(
 
I also thought that I was good at Gran Tursimo as well that was until I tried racing online. Now that I've been racing online for the past 6 months or so I have become very competitive. Unfortunately, online racing can become extremely frustrating if you don't find a good group of people to race with.
 
DJW_GT
I completely agree, a huge percentage of people online now are using an 'optimal' car for each race with a decent tune, so if you want to race a stock car that isn't even one of the faster cars for it's pp category anyway, you don't really stand much of a chance. Skill can only get you so far :(.

The best things to do are to either 'go with the flow' and bring a cometatively tuned car to every race, or find some clubs to race with that have 'non-tuning' events. I've done a bit of both, and am thoroughly enjoying gt5 online!
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ORCA is a private lobby organization that'll be in full swing in a couple of weeks and a big part of it is going to be driving untuned cars. We're also starting up the Alfa Zagato Cup, fully spec, after three seasons of the highly successful Cappuccino Cup. Well organized, respectful, clean drivers of all skill levels, multiple race dates throughout the week and one overall championship. Check the links below if you're interested.

You can host an online lobby and set it up for non-tuned cars if you like, it's one of the options. To be competitive only you really need to be at the top of your game as in most lobbies there are at least one or two really fast drivers. Online racing was my focus from the beginning and so I've tuned all my cars to that end and tuning does make a big difference as does track knowledge and racecraft.
 
Lambob
My favorite strategy, works so far, but needs patience (<== you have this if you love the game)

Example, say you want to win at a 505 pp limited race, Take a car that you like, tune it to 499pp, and drive it for 400km till it breaks in nice and good, raising itself to 505pp. (from the increased HP you will gain)
Oh and very important, do not use engine limiter, not even 0.1%.

Use that car online. Of course, driving skills and knowledge of track to be able to drive it with a relaxed heart rate helps.
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This is great advice. Avoid the power limiter at all costs. It puts you at a disadvantage.
 
Go to your lounge and test cars at 450-500-550 and 600PP (Most popular). You must have racing suspension, flywheel, clutch etc. and just test!

Elise, Evora, NSX, M3csl/gtr, s2000 are prob best cars at up to 550PP with Super GT's good at 600PP

Top Tiip - try not to fit aero, you should be faster without it up to 550PP!!!
 
johnnutz
This is great advice. Avoid the power limiter at all costs. It puts you at a disadvantage.
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This is untrue. While excessive use of the power limiter will cost you hp it's also true that it does a great job of flattening out the power curve, especially the upper portion, of a lot of peaky powered cars.

It's also true that using the power limiter will get cars superior in handling into lower pp races. I see it all the time with guys using M3 GTR's, Evora's etc. in lower pp races.

Every car is different so you have to experiment, but avoiding the power limiter at all costs is definitely incorrect. It has advanatages and disadvantages just like everything else.
 
Have you tried shuffle racing?
Random cars are selected for each driver, and you can't tune them. It's hard to get a fair battle sometimes, but as long as you bring a win-some/lose-some attitude, you should be just fine.
For PP races, it's all about track. Look at Daytona Road Course. Big track, long straights. You want a car that weighs a lot, but makes more horsepower. In Gt5, weight really only hurts you in corners.
For a track like Deep Forest, you'll probably never go over 160 miles per hour. Horsepower becomes less important and it becomes all about weight. Pick a car that's light, but still gets decent horsepower.
Another thing to look for is where the car makes torque. Some cars get great torque in low RPM ranges, but fall off at the top. This is least desirable, unless you're on a small enough track where acceleration is more important than straightaway speed.
A car that has a linear torque curve, or better, normally wins.
Power limiter is completely up to you. Some cars like it, other cars hate it. It all depends on the torque curve. If the torque falls off in the high RPMs anyway, you probably won't notice the difference and will be better with the power limiter.
Knowing tracks helps too. A good driver can make any car competitive. If your car likes corners, dive into them deeper. If your car likes straights (acceleration), worry more about your corner exit.
 
DJW_GT
I completely agree, a huge percentage of people online now are using an 'optimal' car for each race with a decent tune, so if you want to race a stock car that isn't even one of the faster cars for it's pp category anyway, you don't really stand much of a chance. Skill can only get you so far :(.

The best things to do are to either 'go with the flow' and bring a cometatively tuned car to every race, or find some clubs to race with that have 'non-tuning' events. I've done a bit of both, and am thoroughly enjoying gt5 online!
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This and also, having some friends to race in lounge is the way to go! :)
 
Tuning is serious business in this game and you have to put in the time for research and implementing, or else stick with shuffle and or spec races.
 
I can usually place competitively with a car of my choosing with my setup, I never win though lol I know the GT5 player pool has allot of awesome drivers with real skills so I don't feel bad about that.
 
johnnutz
This is great advice. Avoid the power limiter at all costs. It puts you at a disadvantage.
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So this is where i've been going wrong. I Always use the power limiter to set my car to the correct PP for a race if it exceeds the race regulations. I consider my self an above average driver who makes very little mistakes. Last night racing a tuned Camaro against a similar tuned Camaro i lost by over 30 seconds on the ring. I pushed & pushed the car to it's limits & felt that even the best of the best GT drivers couldn't have pushed much more i still got well beaten.

So what is the best way to enter a car that has a slightly higher PP than the race regulation will allow? Remove parts? Or should i just race a car that is perfectly matched to the PP of a race?
 
Online performance, in 1 word, SUCKS.
 
Slashfan
Online performance, in 1 word, SUCKS.
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very true, there are ZERO consequences when racing online in GT, no incentive to race clean so unless you're with friends or find the one room that's running clean it's going to be rough. also like others have stated there are certain cars which will walk from the rest of the pack at various PP ranges (Elise 111R, NSX Type R, LFA, etc). if you can't win with those cars just practice more...
 
ROYALEFATALE
(Elise 111R, NSX Type R, LFA????, etc). if you can't win with those cars just practice more...
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Really? What PP do people run this car at?
I have seen that car win quite a few races but it's not like an Elise or NSX Type R, it can be beaten with a better tune.
 
I stop playing online because it felt like some kind of cheating was going on. I used to race the dayton with my viper acr alot. At the time I experimented with almost all the top end street cars fully tune and it turned out the viper acr was the fastest when set up right. It would beat the enzo, the veyron, the mclaren f1 and on and on offline on my system. When I take it online I would win 90 % of the time atleast until this dude brougth a veyron like a few seconds faster per lap. No matter what I did to my veyron offline it could turn as fast as his veyron. I tried all the possible suspension settings and it just could corner like the dude veyron so I give up racing dayton. The last time I raced online my viper just could go faster than 75mph on daytona and all the other guys ran away so I concluded that it seem some kind of cheating was going on. I never raced online from that day.
 
pjs123456789
I stop playing online because it felt like some kind of cheating was going on. I used to race the dayton with my viper acr alot. At the time I experimented with almost all the top end street cars fully tune and it turned out the viper acr was the fastest when set up right. It would beat the enzo, the veyron, the mclaren f1 and on and on offline on my system. When I take it online I would win 90 % of the time atleast until this dude brougth a veyron like a few seconds faster per lap. No matter what I did to my veyron offline it could turn as fast as his veyron. I tried all the possible suspension settings and it just could corner like the dude veyron so I give up racing dayton. The last time I raced online my viper just could go faster than 75mph on daytona and all the other guys ran away so I concluded that it seem some kind of cheating was going on. I never raced online from that day.
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It's the addition of full gear tuning since one of the updates. That and a combination of lots of draggers getting the most out of torque bands and trannies. I have heard a good tranny tune is the equivalent of +50 HP and I believe it considering how much the game changed after it's intro. I have also been in rooms when people were talking about their gear tunes and noticed how untouchable their cars were.
 
Part of the problem of tuning offline is the characteristics of car versus online tuning. I thought I would get a leg up on the pack by tuning my rides offline and be ready for the online competition. Big problem - they make it stupid easy for anyone to compete without worry of a car getting too out of control. Take that same setup online and you will find your car is a completely different animal. For that reason, I don't do any A-Spec, nor do I hit the Practice lounge - I set up an online lounge and do all my setups there.
 
mrkevans
I have a set of cars I use for certain tracks and pp levels, after playing every day for over a year you get to find what cars work best on a certain track or pp level, I have tunes for specific tracks and generally finish in the top placings online using a ds3 controller. It's just trial and error.
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Yeah
 
This far into GT5's life peeps now have their optimal tunes for PP so you will need to get your favorite car at a good tune, use the cars they are using or just keep doing what you are doing.
 
Gyro1780
So this is where i've been going wrong. I Always use the power limiter to set my car to the correct PP for a race if it exceeds the race regulations. I consider my self an above average driver who makes very little mistakes. Last night racing a tuned Camaro against a similar tuned Camaro i lost by over 30 seconds on the ring. I pushed & pushed the car to it's limits & felt that even the best of the best GT drivers couldn't have pushed much more i still got well beaten.

So what is the best way to enter a car that has a slightly higher PP than the race regulation will allow? Remove parts? Or should i just race a car that is perfectly matched to the PP of a race?
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I use the power limiter but rarely more than 5%. I have a bunch of cars tuned to exact PP levels like 450/500/550/600 the levels I like to race at and the most common online. When I set up the car for that PP level I max out the hp/pp combination so I'm getting the most out of the car. There are certain upgrades that are the best bang for the buck in terms of performance, namely Racing Exhaust, ECU and Catalytic Converter. If you can squeeze those in and meet the PP limit you're on the right track. So for me, if I have to take a car to 505 then back to 500pp with the engine limiter to get those parts on the car I will. For me that means that a car that comes from the dealer with 495pp for example is going to be a 550pp car, because once you take off some weight (only if necessary) to get it into the 1200-1400 range, add the three preferred parts you're well into the 520's or 530's so the natural level to go to is 550 not 500. You could squeeze the car into the 500 range but you'll be seriously down on power.

Weight reduction is often a handicap in PP racing, especially in the lower PP areas. Most of my 450 pp cars are 1200-1400 kgs. The accompanying loss of power from the weight reduction is too big a handicap in my opinion, especially when you consider that at lower pp levels some corners are flat out that are not so in higher pp levels so cornering advantages from lighter weight are not as pronounced.

Aero is also not necessary on any car below 550pp and on some cars not necessary above that either. Aero costs hp, so sticking a wing on a car at 500 pp that doesn't need it will cost you power. And when front and rear aero is available on a car like the Ferrari Italia for example, don't just max it out, try it with minimum aero first and if you can get it to handle well, you'll benefit from higher hp than most other guys in the race with the same car. Done that many times where I'm equal in the corners with an identical car and then pull out and pass them on a long straight like at Fuji or Grand Valley, without the aid of the draft and afterwards I'm asked, "How did you do that?".

Combine these three elements and you are talking about a huge difference in power. I've had cars originally set up at 550pp for example, weight reduced with a wing and any old parts slapped on at 475 hp, climb to 550 hp by not reducing weight as much, leaving off the wing and installing the right parts. An extra 75hp goes a long way towards the victory circle.
 
I can't even connect to my own lounge, things are bad for me.
 
(only race at the Nurburgring)with this new chase cam my performance has gone down the tube,guess ill just have to keep doing it and doing it and doing it...
 
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