2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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Danoff
There are only a few dozen people in Alaska though.
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Total or voting?

It's just a bad look for Ohio if it comes down to that state being the tiebreaker and one of the parties running election interference to get their candidate a victory.
 
Danoff
There are only a few dozen people in Alaska though.
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She’s not the first person to win a US Sente seat through a write-in campaign. Storm Thurmond did it in 1954.
 
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Keef
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...oe-biden-ohio-ballot-mike-dewine/73620775007/

This is getting ridiculous. The governor even used a bit of language in describing how annoyed he is by Republicans in the legislature.


DeWine already knows he's on the chopping block for 2026 as well as mulitple legislators this November, although the likelihood of any big changes is small. Ohio has been a victim of gerrymandering for many decades, still strongly favoring rural conservatives despite large demographic shifts to urban areas. Republicans are viewing this opportunity to keep Biden off the ballot as their last stand to power. It would likely result in the absolute implosion of their party as it's common knowledge that they've stooped to simply doing hateful things to maintain control but they would celebrate it as loudly as possible.

Bottom line that all of you need to know is that currently, Biden is not allowed to be on Ohio's ballot in November.
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I don't understand why this is an issue in the first place. States have laws, and these laws are known about well in advance of planning when a national convention for either party will be. I would have thought that one of the first considerations when choosing a date would be "make sure it's early enough that we can meet all deadlines for certifying candidates", but it would seem that historically that hasn't really been much of a priority for anyone.

I can't bring myself to say that enforcing the rules is a bad thing. The rules should probably be changed to not be stupid, but the Democrats should also probably have been on the lookout for these sorts of legalistic technicalities after the whole 2020 election fiasco. Trusting anything to historic precedent and good will at this point is practically an own goal.
 
Imari
I don't understand why this is an issue in the first place. States have laws, and these laws are known about well in advance of planning when a national convention for either party will be. I would have thought that one of the first considerations when choosing a date would be "make sure it's early enough that we can meet all deadlines for certifying candidates", but it would seem that historically that hasn't really been much of a priority for anyone.

I can't bring myself to say that enforcing the rules is a bad thing. The rules should probably be changed to not be stupid, but the Democrats should also probably have been on the lookout for these sorts of legalistic technicalities after the whole 2020 election fiasco. Trusting anything to historic precedent and good will at this point is practically an own goal.
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I agree completely. I'm not sure why Ohio's law is the way it is but the nomination deadline seems to be awkwardly early. The funny part is that both parties have messed up the deadline and the legislature has had to fix it - for both the RNC and DNC in both 2012 and 2020. The law is consistently described as "obscure" which effectively means "stupid and pointless" by any other definition. They've had to fix it twice very recently so how Ohio Democrats and their lawyers didn't know about this I have no idea. Turns out, neither party really knew about it somehow. In both of those previous cases, a stopgap bill was passed with an emergency clause to make it immediately effective.

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/05/08/ohio-lawmakers-err-in-attempt-to-fix-biden-ballot-problem/

That article is from May 8. As I said in my post yesterday, the effort to address this immediately failed and did not get passed by Thursday May 9. Genius. Democrats had to vote down a Senate proposal because Republicans added some ******** to it (of course) and the house adjourned without voting on anything, because why would they work for publicly guaranteed salaries?

https://www.statenews.org/governmen...ohio-ballot-while-house-skips-voting-on-a-fix
 
Keef
I agree completely. I'm not sure why Ohio's law is the way it is but the nomination deadline seems to be awkwardly early. The funny part is that both parties have messed up the deadline and the legislature has had to fix it - for both the RNC and DNC in both 2012 and 2020. The law is consistently described as "obscure" which effectively means "stupid and pointless" by any other definition. They've had to fix it twice very recently so how Ohio Democrats and their lawyers didn't know about this I have no idea. Turns out, neither party really knew about it somehow. In both of those previous cases, a stopgap bill was passed with an emergency clause to make it immediately effective.

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/05/08/ohio-lawmakers-err-in-attempt-to-fix-biden-ballot-problem/

That article is from May 8. As I said in my post yesterday, the effort to address this immediately failed and did not get passed by Thursday May 9. Genius. Democrats had to vote down a Senate proposal because Republicans added some ******** to it (of course) and the house adjourned without voting on anything, because why would they work for publicly guaranteed salaries?

https://www.statenews.org/governmen...ohio-ballot-while-house-skips-voting-on-a-fix
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I wouldn't expect any less for the state admitted just before Alaska and Hawaii.
Ohio isn't the 17th state.
 
Blitz24
I wouldn't expect any less for the state admitted just before Alaska and Hawaii.
Ohio isn't the 17th state.
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I'm surprised Ohio's tourism department hasn't tried to market this in some way. Heck, that kind of thing comes from hotel and rental car taxes, so I ought to have vote in that matter.

(Though I suppose Texas is my most-visited state based on nights stayed.)
 
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@Blitz24 Going off your post about Ohio, I went down another territorial evolution of the USA rabbithole and I'm now reading about the 1993 Apology Resolution in which the United States Federal Government actually admitted that it took Hawaii and reconstituted it as US territory against the consent of the Hawaiian people.
 
Anyone who'd serve on a jury trying Trump ain't American, says senator who single-handedly held up pay and advancements for the entire US Army for months:

 
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UKMikey
Anyone who'd serve on a jury trying Trump ain't American, says senator who single-handedly held up pay and avancements for the entire US Army for months:

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Tuberville isn't American either (or at least I pretend he isn't one).
 
McLaren
Sitting on a jury is considered your civic duty as an American….
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It's almost as if he's trying to insinuate that the jury is made up of illegal immigrants. :lol:

Meanwhile Governor Kristi "puppy killer" Noem has been barred from six Native American reservations in her state of South Dakota after alleging that illegal immigrants were responsible for crime on those reservations and accusing tribal leaders of personally benefitting from drug cartel operators.
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South Dakota governor banned from tribal land - BBC News

Six Native tribes have banned Kristi Noem from their reservations as her controversies pile up.
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She was hoping to run for VP but the puppy killing appears to be a step too far even for the deplorables.


As for that "80,000" crowd:

 
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Eunos_Cosmo
I don't think you guys understand the level of mistrust/paranoia of China in the USA. Yes there has been a flood of cheap Chinese products in the USA for the last 40 years - BUT, 1 - they have historically benefited US companies in some way, and 2 - where they don't benefit US companies, they are coming under increasingly heavy scrutiny.

Whereas Apple using cheap Chinese labor to make a lot of Americans rich (or more precisely a few Americans SUPER rich) is generally acceptable - having Shein or Temu just dump goods directly (via de minimis loopholes) into US buyer's hands with little to no US economic benefit is looking increasingly untenable for US regulators.

Dewalt selling cordless drills under a historically American nameplate but using Chinese manufacturing is a much different animal that GWM selling state-subsidized cars directly to US consumers. Japanese and Korean automakers were able to make inroads into the US in the 70s-90s, but that doesn't mean that regulators didn't throttle it or make sure that it provided US economic benefit. Nearly every Japanese automaker makes most of their US-market cars in the US. The Koreans are following suit. Asian & European market pickups and SUVs are basically not sold in the US at all due to heavy tariffs. I sincerely doubt any US presidential administration or congress is going to let Chinese cars flood the market - and if they are sold here at all, it will probably be under some kind of agreement where they are manufactured in Kentucky or South Carolina or whatever. There is no situation in which Chinese cars are allowed to be sold unrestricted or without heavy tariffs in the US - the US auto industry is far too important to American identity and to politicians of both parties, particularly in critical mid-western swing states where that industry is concentrated. The democrats will do basically anything to avoid losing union votes, and the Republicans will do basically anything to thwart China gaining any advantage over the US.

@Keef Am I wrong?
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Well, I wasn't wrong. Biden is raising tariffs on imported Chinese cars to a whopping 100%.
 
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I can't access the second tweet in the screenshot from search engine using available keywords but I was able to get the first one (and the one before it because that's how embedding from Twitter works on GTPlanet).



That soft bitch is seething.
 
I have to actually applaud the libertarians there. From seeing official Libertarian Twitter accounts posting hard right stances, you'd think the entire party was just Republicans too afraid to call themselves that, but those voters seem to operate differently.

Meanwhile, MAGA has been running damage control claiming he was cheered & supported throughout the speech, but they've left out the part where Trump campaign personnel was trying to pack the first few rows with supporters to boost him & it turned out those seats were reserved for delegates who promptly kicked them all out when they arrived. To no one's surprise, his supporters can't fathom the fact that once Trump is in front of a crowd that does not pay to see him, there's a possibility he will be booed. Esp. in front of another political party that's already looking to get behind RFK Jr. I assume this little engagement might be influenced from the last election when many conservatives got upset with libertarians because they chose not to vote for Trump & were blamed in part for him losing. I hope it also shows Trump's team realizes they are not that popular as they will claim & are trying to sap votes wherever they can.
 
Special session called for by DeWine. The situation has not been remedied nearly as quickly as it has in the past. The Ohio House has been an embarrassment and I believe this will cause turmoil for Republicans in the next state elections.

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TexRex
Libertarians reject Trump, RFK Jr., pick Chase Oliver as presidential nominee
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Trump
The reason I didn’t file paperwork for the Libertarian Nomination, which I would have absolutely gotten if I wanted it (as everyone could tell by the enthusiasm of the Crowd last night!), was the fact that, as the Republican Nominee, I am not allowed to have the Nomination of another Party.
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What a better place we'll be in when the man child disappears out of politics & media b/c this reads like his usual petulant self when things don't go his way. "Actually, I didn't file because I didn't want to. Don't bother listening to me just say at the convention, 'Nominate me, I'm the best'."

Regardless, I believe I will get a Majority of the Libertarian Votes.
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Donald Trump has been rejected by Libertarians, receiving only 0.65 percent of the vote for the party's presidential nominee.
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www.newsweek.com

Donald Trump rejected by Libertarians, gets less than 1% of vote

Posting on his social media platform Truth Social, Trump claimed he "would have absolutely gotten" the Libertarian nomination had he "wanted it."
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

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www.jta.org

Royce White, right-wing podcaster who has criticized 'the Jewish elite,' wins Minnesota GOP’s Senate endorsement - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

The state party said its endorsement came with “reservation" after two-thirds of its delegates voted to back White.
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The Minnesota Republican Party has endorsed a podcaster running for Senate who has employed conspiratorial rhetoric about “the Jewish lobby.”

Royce White, a former professional basketball player turned right-wing podcaster, won the state party’s endorsement at its convention over the weekend. More than two-thirds of the delegates voted to endorse White, though the state party said its endorsement came with “reservation.”

White is running against several other GOP hopefuls, including a former naval intelligence officer. The winner of the Aug. 13 primary will face incumbent Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar.

The 33-year-old White, who was introduced at the convention by former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon, once described himself as an “antisemite” on his own Twitter profile, along with other labels including “Blackface, Extremist, Cis-Male, Sexist, Misogynist, Homophobic, Transphobic.” (Justifying those epithets to a critic over the weekend, he said, “I was listing all the things I’ve been called by people like you.”)

White has also defended the rapper Ye, formerly Kanye West, from the charge of antisemitism after Ye praised Hitler and made a series of public antisemitic remarks in the fall of 2022. At the time, during a broader discussion of Ye’s comments, White said Jews focus on the Holocaust “to provide a victimhood cover for their own corrupt practices.”

More than a year later, he has continued to defend Ye.

“When Kanye West spoke against Israel and the Jewish lobby he was called antisemitic by the left,” White tweeted in November 2023. “They called Kanye West antisemitic because he was pushing a Black Republican or Conservative message wrapped in the gospel.”

After stating that “nobody has a general problem with Jews” in a tweet during the fall of 2022, he added, “There is a group of Jewish elite, that tends to be secular in belief and corrupt in political practice.” Around that same time, he shared a video interview with Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss of the anti-Zionist haredi Orthodox Neturei Karta sect, calling him “a real Jew, giving the real Jewish belief on these matters.”

“Why are the black hats never heard when these controversies come up?” Royce added.

Since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war on Oct 7, Royce has also opposed his own party’s “unwavering support for Israel,” calling Israel “the lynchpin of the New World Order.”

He has been criticized by the organization and Twitter account StopAntisemitism in the past.

Requests for comment to the White campaign and the Minnesota GOP were not immediately returned. White previously ran for Congress in 2022, aiming to oppose Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar, but placed second in his district’s GOP primary.

A former basketball player, he had a brief NBA career but was sidelined by a generalized anxiety disorder that he said made it difficult for him to travel. His politics have been difficult to pin down: He also led racial-justice protests after the 2020 murder of George Floyd and has spoken out against the Uyghur genocide.

If he wins the Republican primary, White faces an uphill climb. No Republican has won statewide office in Minnesota since 2006, and the statewide party was recently short on cash.

But on Twitter over the weekend, at least one Jew seemed open to backing him. Naomi Litvin, an Israeli-American self-published author and Trump supporter who has attacked Israeli critics of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on social media, initially sounded the alarm on White’s endorsement before he responded, “Jews agree with me. Black and Jews, stop being used.”

Litvin then told White, “I am against globalism as much as you are,” and “I hope you make it into the Senate. Please keep an open mind about Israel.”
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