Time Trial Discussion

[Todt]

I'm thinking of adding some extra scorecards on the other thread to the overall and calendar year ones. They will be by car type and all cars could probably be split into these categories:

• Racing (Gr.1 to 4, formula cars, GT500, etc.)
• Road - would include hyper cars such as the Valkyrie
• VGT - no matter flavour, VGT is its own category
• Rally/ Group B (including Pike's Peak Escudo)

Not sure where cars such as the Amuse, Radical or GReddy Fugu Z would go - road?

Let me have your input. I've put the full list to date under the spoiler to help think through odd ones.

Spoiler: Car list to date

TT#	Car
1​	Suzuki V6 Escudo Pikes Peak Special '98
2​	SF19 SuperFormula
3​	Honda Civic
4​	Nissan Skyline SS
5​	Gr.4
6​	Gr.2
7​	Nissan Z Performance '23
8​	McLaren MP4/4 '88
9​	Corvette ZR1 '19
10​	Gr.3
11​	Nissan R34 GT-R V-spec II Nür '02
12​	Suzuki V6 Escudo Pikes Peak Special '98
13​	GT Red Bull X2019 Competition
14​	Honda NSX Type R '02
15​	Gr.4
16​	Porsche Cayman GT4 '16
17​	Volkswagen ID. R '19
18​	Honda NSX '17
19​	Gr.3
20​	Ford Mustang GT '15
21​	Toyota Alphard Executive Lounge '18
22​	Radical SR3 SL '13
23​	Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm '20
24​	Gr.3
25​	Wicked Fabrication GT 51
26​	Gr.3
27​	Super Formula SF23
28​	GReddy Fugu Z
29​	Gr.1
30​	Audi TTS Coupé '14
31​	Gr.4
32​	Genesis G70 3.3T AWD Prestige Package '22
33​	Aston Martin Valkyrie '21
34​	Amuse NISMO 380RS Super Leggera
35​	Gr.3
36​	Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Junior
37​	Dodge Viper GTS '13
38​	Mazda LM55 VGT
39​	Maserati MC20 '20
40​	Gr.2
41​	Ferrari 330 P4 '67
42​	Chevrolet Corvette C8 Stingray '20
43​	Aston Martin DB5 '64
44​	Gr.3
45​	Gr.3
46​	Garage RCR Civic
47​	Gr.1
48​	Lamborghini Lambo V12 VGT
49​	Gr.4
50​	MB Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series '20
51​	Nismo 400R '95
52​	Toyota GR Yaris RZ "High Performance" '20
53​	Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992) '22
54​	Gr.3
55​	Alpine A110 Première Édition '17
56​	Bugatti Vision Gran Turismo (Gr.1)
57​	Shelby G.T.350 '65
58​	Gr.2
59​	Alfa Romeo 4C '14
60​	Toyota Supra GT500 '97
61​	Mazda RX-8 Spirit R '12
62​	Honda Civic Type R (EK) Touring Car
63​	Genesis X Gran Berlinetta VGT Concept
64​	Gr.4
65​	Gr.3
66​	Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II '91
67​	1932 Ford Roadster
68​	Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR GSR '06
69​	Bugatti Veyron Gr.4
70​	Ferrari Dino 246 GT '71
71​	Chevrolet Chaparral 2X VGT
72​	Toyota GT-One (TS020) '99
73​	McLaren Ultimate VGT
74​	KTM X-BOW R '12
75​	Jaguar XJ13 '66
76​	Škoda VGT
77​	AFEELA Prototype 2024
78​	Volkswagen Scirocco Gr.4

Maybe something like this: P.H.C Privately held company

 

[peniu]

I'm thinking of adding some extra scorecards on the other thread to the overall and calendar year ones. They will be by car type and all cars could probably be split into these categories:

• Racing (Gr.1 to 4, formula cars, GT500, etc.)
• Road - would include hyper cars such as the Valkyrie
• VGT - no matter flavour, VGT is its own category
• Rally/ Group B (including Pike's Peak Escudo)

Not sure where cars such as the Amuse, Radical or GReddy Fugu Z would go - road?

Let me have your input. I've put the full list to date under the spoiler to help think through odd ones.

Interesting idea. How about EV category (or non-ICE) and Road Classics (pre ~1980)? These stand out to me as different challenge compared to the rest.

 

[S-car-Go]

I haven't taken the G4 Scirocco out at all, assume it's on hard race tyres and reasonably stable?

 

[330_D]

Good one. Good optimals still. I love it. Super fun and the difference between being fast and not is so razor thin. Late throttle. That's the key. Also listen for the drivetrain to really howl. That's when you have ALL the steering. Literally on rails if your gears are screaming.

I think this thing has a Torque vectoring diff like the mk 7 and up GTIs. It pulls so hard out of corners. Also don't let it fool you because it's a little 4 banger. These motors have always made torque and that's what is speed on this track. Absolutely fun combo.

 

[feral and bad]

Infinite number of laps + no talent = no improvement. I think I am done with this one.

 

[Gomario JSP]

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Good one. Good optimals still. I love it. Super fun and the difference between being fast and not is so razor thin. Late throttle. That's the key. Also listen for the drivetrain to really howl. That's when you have ALL the steering. Literally on rails if your gears are screaming.

I think this thing has a Torque vectoring diff like the mk 7 and up GTIs. It pulls so hard out of corners. Also don't let it fool you because it's a little 4 banger. These motors have always made torque and that's what is speed on this track. Absolutely fun combo.

That difference in gearing is indeed huge!, very cool to see that more roads leads to Rome ( is that even a saying in other countries?? ) nice time mate!

 

[330_D]

That difference in gearing is indeed huge!, very cool to see that more roads leads to Rome ( is that even a saying in other countries?? ) nice time mate!

Sure is. Also:

I'm close. I can get a 27 for certain. Rain day at work so I'm gonna hammer a little.

 

[Gomario JSP]

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I'm close. I can get a 27 for certain. Rain day at work so I'm gonna hammer a little.

That's very close indeed!, go get it! 😁😁👽👽

 

[MidnightRun85]

I would like to ask you if there is a link to save it to my library. Superb design, absolutely!

I haven't saved/shared the style, but I can!

 

[Lomic]

Second (and last) try with the Afeela, loaded a ghost to help speed up the process, and went into silver territory in the first lap.

Improved here and there thanks to seeing up to what point it was possible to abuse kerbs (but got some invalid laps in the process).

Optimal is near gold, best is 1s from gold, if the combo was more exciting I think I would have worked with it more to reach gold.

 

[Jeje6410]

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Good one. Good optimals still. I love it. Super fun and the difference between being fast and not is so razor thin. Late throttle. That's the key. Also listen for the drivetrain to really howl. That's when you have ALL the steering. Literally on rails if your gears are screaming.

I think this thing has a Torque vectoring diff like the mk 7 and up GTIs. It pulls so hard out of corners. Also don't let it fool you because it's a little 4 banger. These motors have always made torque and that's what is speed on this track. Absolutely fun combo.

Bravo mon ami 👏👏👏👏 Your lap is very clean !!!!! For me, It's going to be hard to come back to your side...

 

[330_D]

Bravo mon ami 👏👏👏👏 Your lap is very clean !!!!! For me, It's going to be hard to come back to your side...

You can do it. I know it. If I can, you can.

 

[BWX]

Infinite number of laps + no talent = no improvement. I think I am done with this one.

1929th in the world isn't too bad man. We can't all be aliens! 👽

 

[ikon_313]

Still no improvement at Laguna Seca so I decided to hop into the vacuum cleaner one last time. Really need to unlearn some things in the Scirocco, otherwise I'm stuck with my PB from day one. Sony car on the other hand – the tenths keep dropping, but driving this thing gets tediously boring quickly.

 

[Dolph Drago]

After getting nowhere two days ago, I dropped my time at Laguna Seca by a couple of tenths tonight. Naturally, I would have easily me best final sector the same lap where the rest of the lap was very average. I think a sub 28 is possible (my optimal was just under), but I'm finding it hard to drop time in this particular TT.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

Hmm. Lago. 2:17.807. 2mil for 30minutes drive time. I'll take that.

 

[half_sourly]

 

[MidnightRun85]

New TT sounds fun! Looking forward to that one.

Last minute attempt last night to improve in the Afeela. Frustratingly threw away a load of fast laps by understeering or making very silly mistakes, but eventually turned my 2:18.005 into 2:17.682.

Now to get on to the Scirocco...

 

[Carlos Fandango]

New TT looks interesting, although the car is a little uninspiring. Had a longish run in the Scirocco yesterday, but could barely post a clean lap. Fast forward 24 hours, and a 10 lap session this evening delivered this beauty! Not sure if there’s much left in the tank, but will give it another go at the weekend

 

[zaxs]

Again, early morning session and again, successful!
I've improved for 0.3s and now my PB is:

Under 2 seconds from P1, for me, it's big success, same as under 3s with Afeela on long lap.

My lap, again, direct capture:

 

[KAlex122]

Ok, how do we measure the new TT regarding difficulty against the last ones? About the same, right?

 

[Gomario JSP]

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This is going to be oversteer heaven boys , slip and slide
I would say ( altho they should give us a track that hasn't been in a trial before ) this must be a great combo
pretty balanced car imo.

I'll Nokia it this evening and hope i still feel the same then

 

[Gogga]

This is going to be oversteer heaven boys , slip and slide
I would say ( altho they should give us a track that hasn't been in a trial before ) this must be a great combo
pretty balanced car imo.

I'll Nokia it this evening and hope i still feel the same then

This is going to be a drift trial
Love it!

 

[zjn]

This is going to be oversteer heaven boys , slip and slide
I would say ( altho they should give us a track that hasn't been in a trial before ) this must be a great combo
pretty balanced car imo.

I'll Nokia it this evening and hope i still feel the same then

gulp, this will be and evil combo!
brands hatch: I like it's story and respect it, but those high speed, low visibility corners are not exactly my cup of tea
oversteerty car: again, not my cup of thea, other than parking them in the sand

all in all this will be quite challenging and out of the confort zone

 

[P-Courty]

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Rear wheel drive...
back in England...
at a track I had my first IRL drift lesson... 🤔
what could go wrong 🤣

I may catch the TT bug again with this one... Or just have a load of sideways fun 😂

I have my Fielding Shredder Hyperdrive livery ready to go 🤪

 

[ikon_313]

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I was just wondering when we would get another one at Brands last night when I participated in a daily Race B at the Indy Circuit. Love the track, but prefer the short layout over the GP, especially in low powered cars. Still looks like this could be fun

 

[ScottPuss20]

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I should be able to do quite well here.

 

[Gomario JSP]

gulp, this will be and evil combo!
brands hatch: I like it's story and respect it, but those high speed, low visibility corners are not exactly my cup of tea
oversteerty car: again, not my cup of thea, other than parking them in the sand

all in all this will be quite challenging and out of the confort zone

I thought that too last time we had the Genesis out there, but that went rather well for me somewhere in place 72....73 or something and the track realy surprised me, wasnt fan of it until that TT

Maby it will change your mind too

 

[zjn]

I thought that too last time we had the Genesis out there, but that went rather well for me somewhere in place 72....73 or something and the track realy surprised me, wasnt fan of it until that TT

Maby it will change your mind too

will see. I forgot that we already went through it, but looking at my records I can see it was not exactly my best 🤣 (104,49% time, 35,17% users)

It was also some time ago. It think I improved a bit meanwhile, so it's a good sanity check!

Let's go for it

 

[PlanetJanet]

Best track in the game imo, and happens to be my local, might give this one the love and attention it deserves, I've been loving daily race B. I do think it will be a bit tricky with those tyres though, it's not exactly a forgiving track, especially that back section around Westfield, Dingle Dell and Sheene.

As a random side note, I'm going to a Super Touring event at Brands in just over a month too, looking forward to seeing those beasts flying round Paddock again (watched the '94 BTCC race there as a 6 year old ).