Microsoft's "iPod Killer" - Zune Discussion

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Microsoft finally admitted that it is working on an "iPod Killer" and will bring it into the market in time for the holiday season. They have codenamed the project, "Zune."

Details so far:

* Wi-fi
* Video
* Will not be flash-based
* New online music service
* Direct purchase/download to the device
* Massive marketing campaign planned

I'm surprised that they will not incorporate MTV's URGE music service (doesn't seem that way anyways). I don't really have any predictions on its success right now. All I can think of is Microsoft's "Origami" project and all of the hype that surrounded that not too long ago. So, will this be the "iPod Killer?"
 
For me, it's a "Meh" thus far. If they shoveled out details where it could do some kick-ass stuff with my 360 then I might become more interested, but untill then I'm sticking with my iPod. The interface on the iPod is great, and it is hard to compete against something like iTunes.
 
Your reaction to the news is about the same as mine, YSSMAN. I'm not impressed yet. However, this is Microsoft and they have the money to market this product aggressively; and they will. I have a feeling that we will hear "Zune" (whatever they choose to name the product) a lot in the coming months.

Though I'm a fan of the iPod, I am glad that Microsoft is coming out with their own player. Competition is a good thing and iPod users will benefit from this in the long run.
 
Is this the Zune?



Here are more details from iLounge:

That Wheel Thing: Not so cool. Turns out that there’s no touch-sensitive scrolling feature here - it’s shaped like a wheel, but it’s really just buttons. Zune has a menu button on the left of the circle, scroll buttons within the circle, and a play/pause button to the right of the circle. There’s also a hold switch just like Apple’s on the unit’s top, near the headphone port. You press up and down on the “Wheel” to scroll up and down through menus.

General UI: Cool-ish. Think iPod, but in reverse: white text on black screens, but with a very iPod-like menu hierarchy. A white and gray gradient highlight bar fades in and out as you transition from level to level of the menus - a slightly futuristic and definitely nice visual effect. There’s also user-customizable wallpaper, which could compensate for the fact that the screens otherwise look pretty boring - there aren’t any dividers for top, bottom, or side interface elements, just text.

Scrolling UI: Cool-ish. When holding the scroll button to run through a huge list of songs, the screen superimposes the current alphabet letter over the right side of the song list to let you know quickly how far you’ve moved.

Album Art: Cool. Zune displays album art in a full-screen-width cube at the top of its screen, leaving room for an MTV-style black track details bar at the bottom, along with a battery life indicator. The album art is significantly larger and more detailed than the iPod’s largest such display, thanks to the size of Zune’s screen.

Integrated FM Radio: Cool-ish. Yes, like virtually every other iPod wannabe out there, it has one. Like the fading gradient highlight bar, however, this one is stylish in a minimalist way - large numbers on the screen, with a fast-moving bar and numbers representing the FM dial. Think Apple’s iPod Radio Remote interface, but with more motion, no background art, and no preset details at the bottom - you can pick North American, European, and Japanese frequencies.

Wi-Fi: Eh. Apparently you can use the Wi-fi feature to “loan” other Zune owners music for some short period (a day), giving them the opportunity to buy the tracks themselves from the Zune music store. While this is a cool idea, and could work well for ubiquitous iPods, it gets an “eh” here because you’re unlikely to randomly bump into other people who have Zunes, and unless Microsoft actually gives away music, you’re even more unlikely to find people who are willing to purchase tracks from its latest music store. You may also be able to spool Zune music to a Wi-Fi-enabled Xbox 360, which again is a cool idea, but requires a $100 wireless adapter and the $300-400 console. (It’s unclear as to whether the hard disk - part of the pricier $400 package - is required.)

Other Details: Not so cool. Zune is a bit bigger than a standard 30GB iPod, and apparently made entirely of plastic. In addition to the Music menus, there are Videos and Pictures playback interfaces, which aren’t as simple as Apple’s. Rather than using the iPod’s single-line Rolls of Film + (#) display, photos can be shown in a list of individually-named folders with a second line indicating the number of pictures per folder, which unnecessarily uses up screen space. Other views are available. Videos also use two display lines a piece. An Extras menu provides access to the Radio feature, and presumably features added by future attachments or firmware. Settings lets you adjust the menus, the internal LCD screen, sound effects, the radio’s frequency tuning, and more.
 
seriously, i don't care what people say, APPLE FTW!!! NOBODY can stop iPods. they sold out at every store pretty much in the 2005 holiday season. i don't think Apple iPods will ever get killed
 
iPod and iTunes will be hard to beat. I also agree that competition is good. Microsoft is working on a PSP-Killer too, right? I wonder what else they got going!
 
PSP Killer? Hell no. PSP FTW! Although, I must say... Im not altogether satisfied with mine... and CURSE Sony for making firmware v2.00 un-downgradable to 1.50! No homebrew games! :banghead:

But what do they think they are playing at, taking on 2 of the biggest portable devices on the market? Then again, look at how they almost killed the PS2 with XboX. Hmm, waiting for more news.
 
Then again, look at how they almost killed the PS2 with XboX.
That depends on how you look at it. Performance-wise, they did overpower PS2. Sales wise, it didn't even come close.
 
But what do they think they are playing at, taking on 2 of the biggest portable devices on the market?

I thought the DS was dominating the PSP sales-wise (could be wrong). Anyways, why shouldn't they take on Apple and Sony? This is Microsoft. They can throw an unthinkable amount of money into this project to help aid its success and, like a6m5, I can't wait to see what products they can come up with.

With stronger competition, we'll see better products.
 
Exactly. And yes, I believe the DS is killing PSP in sales numbers. While I'm not into portable gaming, if I could have one for free, I'd take a DS Lite in a heartbeat.
 
Apple will never get beat. they'll keep on selling and selling until the world is an APPLE! :sly:
 
1. Competition is good, but unless Microsoft has some ground-breaking features hidden in Zune, I doubt the iPod will be in trouble.

2. The DS has sold 22 million systems. The PSP has shipped 20 million, which equates to about 17-18 million systems sold. And this is the old ugly DS we're talking about. Not the new DS Lite.
 
Engadget
To attract current iPod users Microsoft is going to let you download for free any songs you've already bought from the iTunes Music Store. They'll actually scan iTunes for purchased tracks and then automatically add those to your account. Microsoft will still have to pay the rights-holders for the songs, but they believe it'll be worth it to acquire converts to their new player.

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Wow, I can imagine this to be a bit costly for Microsoft as the average iPod user is likely to have at least a hundred dollars worth of music purchased from iTunes.
 
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Wow, I can imagine this to be a bit costly for Microsoft as the average iPod user is likely to have at least a hundred dollars worth of music purchased from iTunes.

Nice move on Microsoft's part. Like I said, they will throw as much money as needed to make this a success. I'm not saying it will take over the world like the iPod did, but I'm sure the Zune has Apple scrambling to answer this challenge from Microsoft.
 
I fail to understand why a company like Microsoft loses to anybody being the corporate giant they are. They are like the Wal*Mart of computer software.
 
iPod and iTunes will be hard to beat.
iPod + ROCKbox :sly:

This is good. iRiver had a chance with their H300 series, but sadly pulled the plug on large capacity players. Microsoft taking on Apple will make both companies improve their products.
 
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Wow, I can imagine this to be a bit costly for Microsoft as the average iPod user is likely to have at least a hundred dollars worth of music purchased from iTunes.

I initially said this was a great move for Microsoft, but now I realize that they will probably use their WMA format. Now, I can't criticize WMA since I don't have music using this file format; but from what I have read, it's not the greatest audio format.

Anyone care to fill me in about WMA? (I've searched the internets but there are conflicting reports about its quality)
 
Although I don't really like Apple, I do think that nothing will ever beat the iPod.

Microsoft claims that 128kbps WMA sounds better than 128kbps mp3. Don't know for sure either, because I don't have music in that format as well.
 
They sound pretty much the same. WMA isn't the recognised standard though.
 
As long as it can play MP3s I wouldn't really give a toss. If it's WMA-only then they've gone completely bonkers.

I've got a stack of WMAs because I use WMP to rip music off my CDs, and it just makes them in WMA by default. Personally, I don't think they're any different quality to MP3. The only disadvantage is they take longer to load between songs in Winamp.
 
As long as it can play MP3s I wouldn't really give a toss. If it's WMA-only then they've gone completely bonkers.

Zune will play MP3s. I just meant the music service they are planning to bundle with it.

Thanks for clearing up WMA. I generally dislike 'Windows Media' formats since they can be troublesome when using a non-Windows computer. That's why Windows Media Photo has me somewhat worried.
 
I actually sort of like this player; it won't steal too many iPod sales, especially with the new Nano, Shuffle and the price-reduced Video, but it looks good enough to get me considering one. 3" screen is pretty damn big.
 
Since no one else has done it:

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