Who got their PS3 bricked by the 2.41 update?

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Did 2.41 brick your PS3??

  • Yes, mine is now bricked!!!

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  • Nope, mine still works fine!

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So you have your folders reading PS3\UPDATE ? In ALL CAPS.

And the file name is: PS3UPDAT.PUP

EDIT: And what exactly does it say when you tell it to update from storage
media?

Yes and yes, the response I get is "No applicale update was found.

Did you happen to get GRID? If not I recommend it. It was definetly worth paying full price IMO...and I did. I've played it every night since I got it on the 7th last month. The opnline play is pretty good, there are a couple things I'd like to have like to e abble to choose the class of race and the car but, oh well. If you can I haven't found the way, but then again I just jumped in and raced all three times I've raced multi player.
 
Yes and yes, the response I get is "No applicale update was found."
When did you download it? Because for a long time yesterday the Web site still had the 2.36 version up.

Now it is updated to 2.41.

Or, by this point I think it is safe to assume that the Via Internet option will work fine as well.
 
Or, by this point I think it is safe to assume that the Via Internet option will work fine as well.
Indeed. In fact, downloading it to the PC is also via the internet, so I still do not understand why anyone would say it is "safer". The purpose of being able to download updates to a PC via the internet and then copy them over via USB is for people who for one reason or another are unable to connect their PS3 to the internet, but can get access via work, internet cafe, etc.

In fact, considering all the extra steps, if anything, there is probably a higher probability of something going wrong by downloading the update to a PC, copying it to a USB drive, and copying it to the PS3.

At the very least, it is certainly far more convenient to download it straight to your PS3, and considering there has not been any evidence that has proven there is any additional risk, it seems to me that is the best way to update your system software, and has the least amount of "steps" where theortecally something might go wrong... although I suspect both ways are certainly safe.
 
Indeed. In fact, downloading it to the PC is also via the internet, so I still do not understand why anyone would say it is "safer".
Sometimes it is just easier to answer the rumorong with satisfactory info than it is to argue the point.

The purpose of being able to download updates to a PC via the internet and then copy them over via USB is for people who for one reason or another are unable to connect their PS3 to the internet, but can get access via work, internet cafe, etc.
Or you have a 1mb, line at home but a 1gb fiber line at work. When a 15-30 minute download becomes 15-30 seconds it is just nice.

At the very least, it is certainly far more convenient to download it straight to your PS3,
I typically go this route because it can take close to 24 hours to go up on the Web, but if it is available before I leave work I grab it.
 
Sometimes it is just easier to answer the rumorong with satisfactory info than it is to argue the point.


Or you have a 1mb, line at home but a 1gb fiber line at work. When a 15-30 minute download becomes 15-30 seconds it is just nice.


I typically go this route because it can take close to 24 hours to go up on the Web, but if it is available before I leave work I grab it.

All very good points. 👍
 
When did you download it? Because for a long time yesterday the Web site still had the 2.36 version up.

Now it is updated to 2.41.

Or, by this point I think it is safe to assume that the Via Internet option will work fine as well.

I downloaded it at aout 2:30 this AM while I was still playing GRID.

Indeed. In fact, downloading it to the PC is also via the internet, so I still do not understand why anyone would say it is "safer". The purpose of being able to download updates to a PC via the internet and then copy them over via USB is for people who for one reason or another are unable to connect their PS3 to the internet, but can get access via work, internet cafe, etc.

In fact, considering all the extra steps, if anything, there is probably a higher probability of something going wrong by downloading the update to a PC, copying it to a USB drive, and copying it to the PS3.

At the very least, it is certainly far more convenient to download it straight to your PS3, and considering there has not been any evidence that has proven there is any additional risk, it seems to me that is the best way to update your system software, and has the least amount of "steps" where theortecally something might go wrong... although I suspect both ways are certainly safe.

The reason I used the PC to my Firefly is because A. I was playing GRID and tried to race online and was instead prompted to update before I could race online, and B. its far quicker to download via PC than to the very lethargic PS3. I still don't get why this console that is supposed to have one the most advanced set of Processors in the world is soooooooo sloooooooow when downloading anything from the interwebs. I mean from the webs though a DSL modem a PC will download gigs of info in twice to three times the speed. I tell you I am curious to know whether or not the PS3 has upgradeable RAM such SDRAM and the like. because 256MB is just not enough. Oh flocking well:indiff:
 
Ok so I updated and everything is fine..... BUT... the earth flypast visualisations are no longer showing when I play music, its just a black screen! :scared:

Has anyone else noticed this / had this problem?.... whats happened!

Robin
 
I had no issues with 2.40, but had a scary moment after updating to 2.41 when running Folding@Home. After a minute or two my PS3's auxiliary fans started roaring and didn't seem to want to stop, so i shut the console down. It's the same noise made that made people think the PS3 had a "self-cleaning" feature.

It really scared me. Games have worked fine, but i don't think i'll be folding until the next firmware update.
 
its far quicker to download via PC than to the very lethargic PS3.

Sounds like you either have the PS3 connected to a different router than your PC, have them connected differently, have a problem with your router/modem, or else you have some other issue with YOUR set up, as I get the exact same download speeds (about 6000kb/s) on my PS3 via WiFi as I do my Laptop via WiFi connected to the same router... which as anyone who understands how these routers and WiFi adapters work can also understand why this is the case.

If it was a hardware issue with the PS3 we would ALL be experiencing this so-called lethargic downloading on our PS3s that you are experiencing, and that isn't the case. Thus the problem with your lethargic downloading is your set up and not your PS3.

I still don't get why this console that is supposed to have one the most advanced set of Processors in the world is soooooooo sloooooooow when downloading anything from the interwebs. I mean from the webs though a DSL modem a PC will download gigs of info in twice to three times the speed. I tell you I am curious to know whether or not the PS3 has upgradeable RAM such SDRAM and the like. because 256MB is just not enough. Oh flocking well:indiff:

Wow... there is so much misinformation in here I'm not sure where to begin.

The first thing you may want to do is to take the time to not only understand the hardware and how files are transmitted via the web to your PC and PS3, but also what it is that causes slower download speeds to begin with and why one person can get very fast downloads on their PS3 and yet someone like yourself does not.

Instead, your ranting only suggest that you have not done so, and don't appear to be in a state of mind that is even willing to consider that the issues you are having have to do with your specific set up and conditions (router, modem, ISP, traffic, node, etc).
 
I was out of the country on vacation when 2.40 was briefly available, so I missed it completely. I downloaded 2.41 to my PC, copied it to my 4GB USB drive, and installed it with no problems whatsoever.👍
 
Ok so I updated and everything is fine..... BUT... the earth flypast visualisations are no longer showing when I play music, its just a black screen! :scared:

Has anyone else noticed this / had this problem?.... whats happened!

Robin

It is still there. While playing music press the square button to change display/visualization modes.
 
It is still there. While playing music press the square button to change display/visualization modes.

Thanks for the reply 👍 So its now set to black screen as default and the user chooses the visualisation?

icelt, was it like this on your system when you first used it after the update? (black screen)

I will try it later, it may be just a case of it set to no visualisation... or it might be busted..:sick:

EDIT - Its working now, it must have been a glitch because turning it on now it was on the globe things so everythings good!

Robin.
 
Ok so I updated and everything is fine..... BUT... the earth flypast visualisations are no longer showing when I play music, its just a black screen! :scared:

Has anyone else noticed this / had this problem?.... whats happened!

Works just fine for me:

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Thanks for the reply 👍 So its now set to black screen as default and the user chooses the visualisation?

No. These are all part of the settings memory, which is not effected by a system update.


EDIT - Its working now, it must have been a glitch because turning it on now it was on the globe things so everythings good!

👍

BTW: I suspect what you were seeing was a long transition between the Earth sunrise visuals. Some can last several seconds and show nothing but black space.



I think everyone may need to take a deep breath. If this continues every time something doesn't appear to be working properly, or if someone doesn't understand why something happend the way it did, or doesn't understand how to properly use a feature on the PS3, or why a download may be taking longer than expected, or everytime they hear the fan increase in speed, or any kind of anomaly at all, someone is going to immeadiately blame it on a system update, and just add to the unreasonable hysteria.
 
BTW: I suspect what you were seeing was a long transition between the Earth sunrise visuals. Some can last several seconds and show nothing but black space.

No it wasnt that, yes I know there are some transitions which seems to show black nothing... the telling sign that it was not working at all was when I changed song over and over again.. instead of showing another flypast (which it should do) it was still totally black on every one!, i.e. never loaded the visualisation.

But its fine now so im happy... cant wait for it to be used in life with playstation.

Robin.
 
I think everyone may need to take a deep breath. If this continues every time something doesn't appear to be working properly, or if someone doesn't understand why something happend the way it did, or doesn't understand how to properly use a feature on the PS3, or why a download may be taking longer than expected, or everytime they hear the fan increase in speed, or any kind of anomaly at all, someone is going to immeadiately blame it on a system update, and just add to the unreasonable hysteria.

True. True. Technology seems to advance at a much faster rate compared to society's ability to become knowledgeable/comfortable with it. The less one knows the more likely they are to overreact or be hypersensitive. Sign of the times I think, I sure don't know of an easy solution. :indiff:
 
Wow... there is so much misinformation in here I'm not sure where to begin.

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EXCUSE ME?? Where pray tell have I presented "misinformation"? The cell processor in the PS3 is one of the most advanced processors. It is the processor developed for and used in thje PS3. I HAVE been experiencing very slow download times as compared to my PC. To be Honest, I am not the only one. I have found on this forums others that have also experienced this as well as those who say they have rather good download speeds as compared to their computers

Do not presume that I do not know how computers work, and how they exchange information over a LAN network. I'll be the first one to admit that something about my connection is @$@#$@%ed up, as I have been told by a QWEST technician that for some reason mine is not channeling as many bits/per sec as it should be . Also my wireless on my MSN modem is shot, so for wireless I have to run through a Lynksis Wireless router that I run ALL my crap off of. That would be the PS3, PSP, PS2, the PC, and the Laptop. STILL my PC downloads information two to three times roughly FASTER than my PS3. I have even tried unhooking the PC when I download to the PS3, which is the only thing that runs through the router that normally runs 24/7. Would you like to fly your happy ass over here and see for yourself since you are so bent on arguing it?

The last sentence of that particular paragraph you singled out was also a query on my part. I quote,"I tell you I am curious to know whether or not the PS3 has upgradeable RAM such SDRAM and the like. because 256MB is just not enough."

I do wonder if this RAM is unpgradeable, so that was basically prompting someone who just might have opened the case of one of these things to speak up and tell what he/she has seen inside there. The PS3 according to what I have read on this forum and at the Playstation forums by those who like to tear into these things and figure out the nuts and bolts of the system have stated that the PS3 apparantly has 256MB of RAM that it splits between two functions. If memory serves me correctly it is the game itself uses 128MB, and the graphics uses 128 MB. Right now my computer is running like garbage and I don't feel like running the appropriate diagnostics, and spyware software and possibly defragmenting the 160 gig HD just to run the search to pin point the exact figures right now. I'm running on about 5 hours sleep and its hot as hell right now, my back hurts and the sciatic nerve in my right leg is on fire

Seeing as how PCs set up for gaming run much,much more RAM than 256MB as well as 2+ Ghz P4s, 256 MB seems to be a REALLY small amount of RAM compared. Some of my PS2 games seem to tak longer to load between screens and the like than they did on the PS2, and some of the PS3 games take a rather long time ( or it would seem to me) to load from one function to the next such as going from set up to say, into the game. I know that back when my PC was actually the fastest on the market...8 years ago that when I played the games from that time that it ran them, and loaded them faster when I upgarded from the 128MB RAM I had in it at first to the full 512 MB is is capable of handling. So I really do want to know if the PS3 is capable of having its RAM capacity upgraded or if its just a fixed amount. RAM has nothing to do with download speed, BUT the download speed and and in a few cases load speed of games are a couple things I wonder can be sped up

The last thing I am doing on that note is dogging on the PS3, I love my machine and have a blast with it every night... I mean every night, from around 10,11:00Pm to 6or7:00AM. MAinly because thats the time when the rest of the family is sleeping and I have complete run of the TV... and the living room for that matter. We have a PS2, PS3, Wii, Xbox, and I have played on an Xbox 360 quite a bit with a freind who has the 360. The PS3 is the best damn gaming console I can think of. That said its not perfect, I can say that and I consider myself a PS3 Fanboy.
 
And to my topic this morning:

I could easily just download it directly through my PS3 now. I'm not playing it, and wont be for another 5 or 6 hours now. I just want to find out why the PS3 couldn't find the update on my Firefly. Especially when the Folders are set up properfly and it does recognize the Firefly. It can't be that complex, especially when the PS3 is seeing the Firefly because I can acces the other stuff thats on itlike saves, photos, vids and the like.

The file even has the correct name so :boggled:
 
EXCUSE ME?? Where pray tell have I presented "misinformation"? The cell processor in the PS3 is one of the most advanced processors. It is the processor developed for and used in thje PS3.

And the processor has almost nothing at all to do with your download speeds... which is what you have been on and on about.



I HAVE been experiencing very slow download times as compared to my PC. To be Honest, I am not the only one. I have found on this forums others that have also experienced this as well as those who say they have rather good download speeds as compared to their computers

Correct. You are not the only person with a set up that is causing slow download speeds on their PS3... and while you are searching on the internet for others who are experiencing a similar situation as yours, you can also find many hits on Google where many of the causes have been identified and offer possible solutions... but none of them had to do with a problem with the hardware or capability of the PS3, and certainly none of them have anything to do with the processors or RAM in the PS3.



Do not presume that I do not know how computers work, and how they exchange information over a LAN network.

All I can go on is what you have already posted, and not only are you wrong about linking the processor to the slow download speeds you are experiencing, but it's posts like those that leads to many people being further misinformed, and then we see post after post spreading the same misinformation around the web... and the circle never ends.



I'll be the first one to admit that something about my connection is @$@#$@%ed up, as I have been told by a QWEST technician that for some reason mine is not channeling as many bits/per sec as it should be . Also my wireless on my MSN modem is shot, so for wireless I have to run through a Lynksis Wireless router that I run ALL my crap off of. That would be the PS3, PSP, PS2, the PC, and the Laptop. STILL my PC downloads information two to three times roughly FASTER than my PS3. I have even tried unhooking the PC when I download to the PS3, which is the only thing that runs through the router that normally runs 24/7. Would you like to fly your happy ass over here and see for yourself since you are so bent on arguing it?

Certainly not with an attitude like that, but some of your comments already hint towards problems in your set up and not your PS3, but you are not exactly encouraging me to want to try and help you figure out your problems.



The last sentence of that particular paragraph you singled out was also a query on my part. I quote,"I tell you I am curious to know whether or not the PS3 has upgradeable RAM such SDRAM and the like. because 256MB is just not enough."

Besides the fact that the RAM is not causing your slow downloads, nor does RAM play nearly as an important role as you may have been led to believe. The simple fact is that the PS3 achieves twice the floating point operations per second than the X360 and most personal computers. If you are unsure of the processing performance of the PS3 I suggest you do some Google searches on PS3 and Folding@Home. You'll find that the PS3 processors are out performing PC processors by a rather significant margin, and is the main reason for F@H achieving the significant milestone of achieving Peta FLOPS performance. You can read up on that on the internet as well.



The PS3 according to what I have read on this forum and at the Playstation forums by those who like to tear into these things and figure out the nuts and bolts of the system have stated that the PS3 apparantly has 256MB of RAM that it splits between two functions. If memory serves me correctly it is the game itself uses 128MB, and the graphics uses 128 MB.

And your sources were wrong, and is an example of how misinformation gets passed on from one source to another.

Not only does the PS3's RSX graphics processor have it's own dedicated 256 MB GDDR3 RAM with a transmission rate of 1.3 GHz, but it can also use up to 224 MB of the Cell Processor's Rambus XDR DRAM with a transmission rate of 3.2 GHz.

What you may have read is that part of the RAM in the Cell Processor is allocated for operating the XrossMediaBar user interface... but it only needs 32 MB of memory so it's hardly an issue, and isn't having any negative impact on the PS3's processing performance, and certainly has nothing to do with your slow downloads.

That or you are confusing the X360 and the PS3, as the X360 has 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM which is shared between the CPU and GPU.



Right now my computer is running like garbage and I don't feel like running the appropriate diagnostics, and spyware software and possibly defragmenting the 160 gig HD just to run the search to pin point the exact figures right now. I'm running on about 5 hours sleep and its hot as hell right now, my back hurts and the sciatic nerve in my right leg is on fire

I'm sorry to hear of your physical condition, and lack of sleep, and perhaps this is what may have influenced your previous posts.

I hope you, your computer, and your internet connection issues improve. 👍
 
The PS3 according to what I have read on this forum and at the Playstation forums by those who like to tear into these things and figure out the nuts and bolts of the system have stated that the PS3 apparantly has 256MB of RAM that it splits between two functions. If memory serves me correctly it is the game itself uses 128MB, and the graphics uses 128 MB.

The PS3 has 512MB of RAM total. It has 256MB XDR RAM which is clocked at 3.2GHz (!), the same as the Cell CPU. It's incredibly fast as you can imagine. The other 256MB is GDDR3 and is for the graphics chip (RSX). Though, IIRC, the RSX can also pinch some of the XDR RAM if it needs to, but I'm not sure on that one.

The memory is not upgradeable, at least not in the same very easy way the PS3 HDD can be upgraded. As you can see here, the XDR RAM is physical attached to the mainboard and not on cards\sticks like PC memory would be.

EDIT: Sorry, was beaten by Digital-Nitrate. :)
 
True. True. Technology seems to advance at a much faster rate compared to society's ability to become knowledgeable/comfortable with it. The less one knows the more likely they are to overreact or be hypersensitive. Sign of the times I think, I sure don't know of an easy solution. :indiff:

I don't know one either, but patience certainly helps... that and the wonderful "Don't Panic" button that we discussed in the Trophy thread. :)

But there is the all important Don't Panic button. :D:tup:




BTW: The answer really is 42. :)

BTW: A Don't Panic button would make for a fine avatar. :)
 
this bricking thing has been blown out of proportions , as this poll shows bricking was limited to a really small number of users. Its just that there was a lot of hype surrounding this specific update, and when a couple of PS3 got bricked and updated gets pulled of people started acting hysterical.
 
In my opinion I'm very happy that Sony are rolling out these changes and I think they've got the pace just right. In my experience with IT they're doing the right thing, getting a good base and incrementally improving it.
 
I never even saw the 2.40 update but I got the 2.41 update last night. I've had no problems with it.
 
Great! Now im all worried again! :sick: Gosh I guess its going to be like this for every update from here on in.... always worried that its going to brick.

360's failings were due to hardware and PS3's failings are due to software... it isnt really suprising as both companies are better at the latter field! :sly:

Robin

The poll say's you're being ridiculous...again.
 
...or everytime they hear the fan increase in speed, or any kind of anomaly at all, someone is going to immeadiately blame it on a system update, and just add to the unreasonable hysteria.

I disagree. I had completed over 130 units in F@H before 2.41, and never experienced fan issues.
 
I disagree. I had completed over 130 units in F@H before 2.41, and never experienced fan issues.

To be fair, it could be a build up of dust, and when folding@home you are pushing the CPU very hard, so a mix of dust and a very powerful CPU running full whack means the fans would run faster/louder than normal.

I know you'll say "but why did it only start now"....the simple answer is coincidence.

The fact you have completed over 130 work units means your PS3 has been on for quite some time, which would mean plenty of dust could have accumulated over that period of time!
 
Sounds like you either have the PS3 connected to a different router than your PC, have them connected differently, have a problem with your router/modem, or else you have some other issue with YOUR set up, as I get the exact same download speeds (about 6000kb/s) on my PS3 via WiFi as I do my Laptop via WiFi connected to the same router... which as anyone who understands how these routers and WiFi adapters work can also understand why this is the case.
Another thing I find is if people only ever download things like updates and stuff from the PS Store on their PS3 it does appear slow due to traffic experienced on those servers. I have found my PS Store speeds are almost double if I wait until Friday or Saturday. And update 2.40 took about half the time because I caught it at 6:00 AM instead of the end of the workday, like usual.

And the PC downloads may seem faster because that is obviously running on a different server, as it isn't available for as much as 24 hours sometimes. And because most people just update the PS3 directly via Internet that server isn't seeing nearly as much traffic.

When I first got my PS3 I thought that the download connections were slow too, but when I loaded up a Web site and tested downloading files from other places it went fine. A Speed Test even confirmed that the speed between PC and PS3 were very similar. The PS3 was slightly slower, but it wasn't a noticeable difference.

So, another thing some may want to keep in mind is that perceived speed may have more to do with servers elsewhere than the machine itself.

Seeing as how PCs set up for gaming run much,much more RAM than 256MB as well as 2+ Ghz P4s, 256 MB seems to be a REALLY small amount of RAM compared.
This comparison just doesn't even work. PCs vs consoles can't be compared looking at system specs. PCs have to run Windows and all the crap that comes with it in the background while you are gaming. None of the consoles have a system draining OS to worry about so many times they can actually devote more resources to a game than many gaming PCs.

You even mentioned that your PC needs a diagnostic check and defrag. Ever notice that consoles don't need that? They don't run Windows.

Heck, even comparing a PC to a Mac based on specs alone is deceiving because a Mac doesn't need to have as much extra resources available for the OS to abuse.

Some of my PS2 games seem to tak longer to load between screens and the like than they did on the PS2, and some of the PS3 games take a rather long time ( or it would seem to me) to load from one function to the next such as going from set up to say, into the game.
Are you running an 80GB? That is suing software emulation for PS2 games and that will add some time because it has to precess the game data going out in a way the PS3 can use and then input coming in has to be processed in a way for the game to recognize.

My 60GB has a barely noticeable difference.

And PS3 games are, by and large, much bigger than many other games. I mean, supposedly the audio on Heavenly Sword alone is bigger than a traditional DVD. Part of this is also due to being region free. Some games just go ahead and include multiple language tracks all at once. The increased capacity of Blu-Ray means bigger and better games, but it also means some extended processing time to get through it all.

So I really do want to know if the PS3 is capable of having its RAM capacity upgraded or if its just a fixed amount. RAM has nothing to do with download speed, BUT the download speed and and in a few cases load speed of games are a couple things I wonder can be sped up.
As the system is far from being tapped I doubt increasing RAM at this point will do any good. As I said above increased data capacity is leading to longer load times. That can only be sped up by faster drives.

The reason many offline games require hard drive installs are because they are attempting to avoid increased load times caused by having to search an entire BD. Some of this is also a developer laziness issue too, as apparently properly organized data on a disc will achieve a similar result.

Also, I know you play Warhawk, and I can guarantee that if your PS3 was suffering slow connections to the degree you are appear to be saying that you wouldn't be able to do that. Trust me, I know what happens to Warhawk when my wife loads up a Myspace page on the PC. <Server Disconnected>
 
This comparison just doesn't even work. PCs vs consoles can't be compared looking at system specs. PCs have to run Windows and all the crap that comes with it in the background while you are gaming. None of the consoles have a system draining OS to worry about so many times they can actually devote more resources to a game than many gaming PCs.

Yeah. Anyone who has ever taken a computer class in high school should know that the architecture between x86 and something like Cell and Xenon are quite different.
 
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