Blu-ray vs. HD DVD Discussion Thread

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Digital-Nitrate
All these advanatges that Blu-ray offers have earned the support of companies like Dell, HP, Apple, and almost every major DVD manufacturer with the obvious exception of Toshiba.
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HP is now supporting HD-DVD, and with Apple... well, we haven't heard anything about Blu-ray from them.

The success of any format though will be largely decided on by content, and in this regard HD DVD is again in a losing battle. Not only are consumers limited in their choices of players, but HD DVD lost their exclusive support from Paramount, Warner, and New Line. This means that the only major studio that currently exclusively supports HD DVD is Universal Studios, and insiders have been hinting that may end soon as well. Meanwhile, Blu-ray enjoys the exclusive support from the following studios:
In addition Blu-ray has non exclusive support from the following studios:
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I do like the fact that you try to list every single minor studio out there. Hell, some of them are the same, like Disney/Pixar.

It would appear they are far more informed than yourself judging by some of your comments on these formats... however, it is understandable why you are trying to suggest otherwise as you admit you bought the HD DVD add-on to your XB360... which would be entirely useless if HD DVD dies (as many industry analysts have predicted) as the XB360 does not support HD DVD for games.
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...And vice versa. If Blu-ray loses, the biggest reason to buy a PS3 is killed off.
Jedi2016
Your use of the word "uninformed" is interesting.

The adult industry was only partially responsible for the victory of VHS.
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With the whole porn support stuff, most of it is digital distribution. And didn't they also support UMD?
 
Digital-Nitrate
Looks like HD DVD format isn't going to get much support from the XB360 HD DVD player install base. So far they have sold only 42,000 players which means that only 1% of XB360 owners have so far purchased one.
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Which means even the Sega 32X has outsold it so far (which is :lol: worthy by itself), which had 42,000 sold in the first month in the U.S. only.
Duck
...And vice versa. If Blu-ray loses, the biggest reason to buy a PS3 is killed off.
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Um, no. The PS3 can still play Blu-Ray games. I don't believe the HD-DVD drive can play HD-DVD games.
 
Duċk;2529422
HP is now supporting HD-DVD, and with Apple... well, we haven't heard anything about Blu-ray from them.
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Hewlett Packard currently supports BOTH formats but is a Board Member of the Blu-ray Disc Association, while only an associate member of the HD DVD Promotional Group.

As for Apple, for someone who uses a Mac and uses the Internet for all their research I'm surprised you missed the fact that not only is Apple a Board Member of the Blu-ray Disc Association, but there have been several articles over the last few months on MacWorld discussing Apple's involvement in Blu-ray. Of course, as you should be aware of, Apple is very secretive when it comes to discussing future products.


I do like the fact that you try to list every single minor studio out there. Hell, some of them are the same, like Disney/Pixar.
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And I like the fact you obviously do not understand the film industry. If I were to add every single minor studio.. the list would include hundreds of studios. As for what studio or company bought what studio is irrelevant, what matters is the library of major motion picture and popular independent films that were made for each studio... and that they currently will only be available on Blu-ray.

Obviously HD DVD supporters would like just the parent companies listed so that it might appear to minimize how much exclusive support there is for Blu-ray, and that unsuspecting consumers who are not aware that companies like Sony, Fox, Disney, Lion's Gate control the distribution of a vast library of films (many of which were made by subsidiaries and other studios that they either have aquired or have distribution contracts with), will not realize that these four parent companies control thousands of films from several different studios.


...And vice versa. If Blu-ray loses, the biggest reason to buy a PS3 is killed off.
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Apparently you forgot that unlike XB360, the PS3 uses Blu-ray for games.

Duck, what's up with all the misleading information you have been posting lately? Besides, if you feel the benefits of 1920x1080 displays is mostly hype, why do you even care about these HD formats to post misleading information in the first place?
 
Digital-Nitrate
Hewlett Packard currently supports BOTH formats but is a Board Member of the Blu-ray Disc Association, while only an associate member of the HD DVD Promotional Group.
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I'm aware of that, I was just saying.

As for Apple, for someone who uses a Mac and uses the Internet for all their research I'm surprised you missed the fact that not only is Apple a Board Member of the Blu-ray Disc Association, but there have been several articles over the last few months on MacWorld discussing Apple's involvement in Blu-ray. Of course, as you should be aware of, Apple is very secretive when it comes to discussing future products.
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I know they're a board member. I haven't been to Macworld though in forever, so I'll go there and find some stuff to read up on.

And I like the fact you obviously do not understand the film industry. If I were to add every single minor studio.. the list would include hundreds of studios. As for what studio or company bought what studio is irrelevant, what matters is the library of major motion picture and popular independent films that were made for each studio... and that they currently will only be available on Blu-ray.
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I see.

Apparently you forgot that unlike XB360, the PS3 uses Blu-ray for games.
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I know that. The biggest reason Sony put Blu-ray into the PS3 is so people would go into, say, Blockbuster, and rent the Blu-ray version of a movie instead of HD-DVD. And we really haven't seen anything that proves we need Blu-ray for games. It may be needed in the future, I'm not denying that. But I'm not entirely sure it'll happen.

Duck, what's up with all the misleading information you have been posting lately? Besides, if you feel the benefits of 1920x1080 displays is mostly hype, why do you even care about these HD formats to post misleading information in the first place?
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Maybe because 720p >> 480i? You don't have to have a 1080p display to enjoy the benefits of HD movies. A 720p set works just as well. I downloaded the 720p Blackhawk Down trailer on my PS3, and it looks amazing. That said, the PS3 can't even output 720p for actual Blu-ray movies, and so I'm either stuck with 480p (which looks bad) or 1080i (which looks just as bad).
 
As a gamer one can only hope that Blue Ray wins, or at least doesn't lose. Sony invested a lot into the PS3 and Blueray, a failure could result in a lot of trouble for our beloved Japanese high tech giant ;)
 
Max_DC
As a gamer one can only hope that Blue Ray wins, or at least doesn't lose. Sony invested a lot into the PS3 and Blueray, a failure could result in a lot of trouble for our beloved Japanese high tech giant ;)
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If Blu-ray loses, there's a decent chance the PS3 won't win. That said, we'll see a PS4 unless something totally jacked up happens.

Jeremy Ricci
Fixed.
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Hopefully time will say that you are correct. But until then...

:indiff:
 
Duċk;2529906
You don't have to have a 1080p display to enjoy the benefits of HD movies. A 720p set works just as well.
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Really? Unless I am seriously mistaken, 720p displays drop more than 50% of the resolution of any full HD (1920x1080) video. If you think losing half the resolution of the source is "working just as well", you really need to learn more about HD video and the equipment needed to properly display it.

Now if the source is 1280x720, then yes, a 720p display works just as well, but seeing as the PS3, HD DVD, Blu-ray, NBC, CBS, PBS, Universal HD, INHD, HDNet, HBO, Showtime, Starz, TNT, The CW, A&E HD, Music HD, Discovery HD, and National Geographic HD, currently offer 1920x1080 video, then no, it does not work as well as it is losing over a million pixels of information for all full HD video.

That said, the PS3 can't even output 720p for actual Blu-ray movies, and so I'm either stuck with 480p (which looks bad) or 1080i (which looks just as bad).
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If 1080i looks just as bad you clearly have an inferior display that can't deinterlace, and instead is simply scaling each 1920x540 field and then making it worse, it is scaling once again to drop it down to 1280x720. This is yet another example of how most 1280x720 displays certainly do NOT work as well as 1920x1080 displays.

Now if you had done some research, you could have informed your parents and had them buy a 720p display that does deinterlace properly such that a 1080i signal is reconstructed to its original 1920x1080 frames, and then scale them down to 1280x720. If it did, then you would see a big difference between that and 480p... in fact in most cases better than 480p scaled to 720p... which is why 1080i upscaling DVD players are so popular.


Duċk;2530498
If Blu-ray loses, there's a decent chance the PS3 won't win. That said, we'll see a PS4 unless something totally jacked up happens.
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Says you and your vast experience in predicting market and industry paths.... :indiff:

Even if Blu-ray fails... which at this point in the game would require a serious stretch of imagination, there most certainly is not a decent chance the PS3 will fail. Yes, we all get it that you can't grasp the need for Blu-ray for games, and yet developers have already discussed the future need for more capacity, and that Blu-ray is a welcome addition. Besides... this is what "some" said about games on DVD when the PS2 came out, and that CD had more than enough capacity for games.

Hopefully time will say that you are correct. But until then...

:indiff:
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Hopefully in time you will do a little research before posting so much misleading information. But until then...

:indiff:
 
LG made a pre-announcement today, that they'll be unveiling their new dual-format player at CES. Sort of an announcement of an announcement.

I call that nothin' but a good thing. If it's decently priced and decent quality, I'm in there like swimwear.

Some people are saying it will only prolong the war, but I think it will help end it. People can buy a player without fear that it will become obsolete if one format disappears. They'll go where the movies are, resulting in the war being decided by who has the better movies and the better quality, and not whether your player is cheaper than the other. As it should be.

Far better than what Warner Bros is doing. They announced their new dual-format disc today... single discs that will play in either a HD-DVD player or a Blu-ray player.

Unlike the LG player, I call Warner's move.. well, pretty useless. You still have to buy one player or the other. Anything not Warner Bros will be limited to the player you have. If the discs are only dual-layer (one layer of each), their quality will suffer because of the extra compression. I really don't see the point in this. The only people it would "help" would be those who actually own both a Blu-ray player and a HD-DVD player. And there's what.. three people like that?
 
Digital-Nitrate
Besides... this is what "some" said about games on DVD when the PS2 came out, and that CD had more than enough capacity for games.
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Though it must be said that, at the time and for around 2 years into the PS2's life cycle, there were few games that probably required any more space than a CD-ROM allowed, barring ones like MGS and GTAIII. And even then, there were alternatives that still had space to spare when the move to DVD was necessitated (GD-ROM springs to mind, proprietary format or not), though I see your point about the in-the-long-run thinking.
 
Toronado
Though it must be said that, at the time and for around 2 years into the PS2's life cycle, there were few games that probably required any more space than a CD-ROM allowed, barring ones like MGS and GTAIII. And even then, there were alternatives that still had space to spare when the move to DVD was necessitated (GD-ROM springs to mind, proprietary format or not), though I see your point about the in-the-long-run thinking.
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That's true, but when it boils down to it, some things just *require* more space.

Look at Tekken Tag Tournament.

It had a lot of characters, a few stages, and extremely repedative music, and all the video content was done in 480i.

Then look at Tekken 4, where there was more texture work, more music, fewer characters, but higher res movies. The upgrade in space was needed.

Then you fast forward to Tekken 5, where tons of items were added, lots and lots of characters, lots of music, etc. The space requirements put CD-ROM to shame, and this is only a fighter!

Hell, look at Tekken 5: DR, which only has *three more* new characters in comparison to Tekken 5. It includes *no* movie content, and it's 850MB on it's own! Tekken 5 Had 32 CHaracters. Tekken 5: DR has 35. If Tekken 5: DR were to include all of the ending videos, the size would jack up about 350MB if each video was only around 10Mb. So you'd get what, a 1.1Gb game, and it's only a fighter, with very little going on in the audio / video department, and very little "content" in comparison to other titles.

Kind of makes you think right? Game file size from TTT to T5 jumped more than 30%...
 
Jeremy Ricci
That's true, but when it boils down to it, some things just *require* more space.
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I understand. I'm not enough of a fool to think that the PS3 won't far exceed the capabilities of DVD far faster than the PS2 did with CD's. Similarly, I think Mictosoft deserves to get screwed as much as Sega did for sticking with DVD's for games, without at the very least making the HD-DVD drive game capable.
 
If CES was any indication, Blu-ray is in position to dominate the format war in 2007 with a whole slate of new players and as many as 300 new titles. All the top studio heads, except for Universal were on hand talking up their planned BD releases, and with the latest sales figures Blu-ray movies have a 3.5 to 1 lead over HD DVD titles, despite HD DVD having launched several weeks before Blu-ray.

There were many notable exclusive Blu-ray titles announced including:
  1. Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
  2. Night at the Museum
  3. Eragon
  4. Stranger Than Fiction
  5. Crank
  6. The Devil Wears Prada
  7. Casino Royale
  8. Employee of the Month
  9. Saw I
  10. Saw II
  11. Saw III
  12. Kingdom of Heaven
  13. Dodgeball
  14. House of 1000 Corpes
  15. Hostel
  16. Cabin Fever
  17. Walking Tall
  18. Running With Scissors
  19. Cars
  20. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
  21. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
  22. Resident Evil: Apocalypse
  23. The Prestige
  24. Marie Antoinette
  25. The Grudge 2
  26. Gridiron Gang
  27. The Sentinel
  28. The Marine
  29. Open Season
  30. The Guardian
  31. Casanova
  32. Eight Below
  33. Flightplan
  34. Scary Movie 4
  35. Sky High
  36. The Wild
  37. I Robot
  38. Bruce Almighty
  39. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
  40. Alien vs. Predator
  41. Finding Neverland
  42. King Arthur: Director's Cut
  43. Layer Cake
  44. Man on Fire
  45. Master & Commander
  46. From Hell
  47. Chicago
  48. Flyboys
  49. Ice Age
  50. Ladder 49
  51. Winged Migration
  52. Phone Booth
  53. Hart's War
  54. Reign of Fire
  55. Me, Myself & Irene
  56. Dude, Where's My Car?
  57. Monster's Ball
  58. National Lampoon's Van Wilder
  59. Gone in Sixty Seconds
  60. Cast Away
  61. Tristan & Isolde
  62. Turistas
  63. Pearl Harbor
  64. Remember The Titans
  65. Chicken Little
  66. G.I. Jane
  67. The Rock
  68. The Recruit
  69. The Tailor of Panama
  70. Planet of the Apes
  71. American Psycho
  72. Men of Honor
  73. Vertical Limit
  74. Entrapment
  75. Hannibal
  76. Ronin
  77. Out of Time
  78. The Siege
  79. Face/Off
  80. Starship Troopers
  81. ConAir
  82. Crimson Tide
  83. Enemy of the State
  84. Courage Under Fire
  85. Broken Arrow
  86. Air Force One
  87. Independence Day
  88. Dinosaurs
  89. Wild Hogs
  90. Jerry McGuire
  91. A Few Good Men
  92. Young Guns
  93. To Live & Die in L.A.
  94. Ultimate Avengers
  95. Ultimate Avengers 2
  96. Waiting
  97. Requiem for a Dream
  98. PI
  99. Belly
  100. Chain Reaction
  101. The Usual Suspects
  102. Reservoir Dogs
  103. Glory
  104. The Princess Bride
  105. Edward Scissorhands
  106. Bull Durham
  107. Dances with Wolves
  108. Predator
  109. The Fly
  110. Commando
  111. First Blood
  112. Dirty Dancing
  113. Basic Instinct
  114. The Silence of the Lambs
  115. The Thomas Crown Affair
  116. Platoon
  117. Hoosiers
  118. The Graduate
  119. A Fistful of Dollars
  120. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
  121. Battle of Britain
  122. A Bridge Too Far
(This doesn't even include several planned TV series releases.)


HD DVD on the other hand only has the following announced upcoming exclusive titles:
  1. Children of Men
  2. The Good Shepherd
  3. Hollywoodland
  4. Lucky Number Slevin
  5. Pulse
  6. Catch A Fire
  7. Brokeback Mountain
  8. The Mummy Returns
  9. Half Baked
  10. Back to the Future I
  11. Back to the Future II
  12. Back to the Future III
  13. The Land Before Time
  14. The Blues Brothers
  15. The Sting
 
Digital-Nitrate

Commando
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I've been waiting for the widescreen compatible DVD of Commando forever! When there was a rumor of ws enhanced version, I sold my copy, only to have to buy it again, when it never came out. I never thought that they were going to make me wait this long. :guilty:
 
Jedi2016
Your use of the word "uninformed" is interesting.

The adult industry was only partially responsible for the victory of VHS. They went along with it for the same reason that the consumers did.. you could fit more on a VHS tape than you could on a Betamax tape. At the time VHS was launched, Betamax tapes were only available as one-hour tapes. So you'd have to swap tapes if you were watching OR recording a movie. Whereas VHS could hold an entire movie on one tape. By the time Betamax caught up and started making two-hour tapes, it was too late.

The other contributor was the manufacturers of the players. Sony was the only one making Betamax players. Everybody and their brother was making VHS players, which means the cost of those came down significantly faster, allowing more average consumers to buy them.

If you're aware of ALL of the facts behind the loss of Betamax, you'll actually find that it's HD-DVD that's in the same situation Betamax was, not Blu-ray. Limited studio support, limited manufacturer support, and lower capacity. People like to say that the failure of Betamax was Sony's fault, so Sony couldn't possibly release a successful format. They conveniently forget the fact that Sony also has quite a few successes under their belt.. Like reel-to-reel tape, the 3.5" floppy diskette.

And this isn't Sony's first disc technology, either. Back in the late seventies, they teamed up with Philips (like they're teaming up with other manufacters on Blu-ray) to create a little thing called a "compact disc". Maybe you're familiar with this technology?
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Didn't know about the limited play time for it's initial release.

Pretty much what you said:
Sony's Betamax video standard was introduced in 1975, followed a year later by JVC's VHS. For around a decade the two standards battled for dominance, with VHS eventually emerging as the winner.

The victory was not due to any technical superiority (Betamax is arguably a better format), but to several factors. Exactly how and why VHS won the war has been the subject of intense debate. The commonly-held belief is that the technically superior Betamax was beaten by VHS through slick marketing. In fact the truth is more complex and there were a number of reasons for the outcome.

Sony's founder, Akio Morita, claimed that licensing problems between Sony and other companies slowed the growth of Betamax and allowed VHS to become established. However most commentators have played down this issue and cited other reasons as being more important.

It is certainly true that VHS machines were initially much simpler and cheaper to manufacture, which would obviously be an attraction to companies deciding which standard to back. It has also been reported that Sony inadvertently gave its competitors a helping hand by revealing key aspects of Betamax technology which were then incorporated into VHS.

In any case, manufacturers divided themselves into two camps: On the Betamax side were Sony, Toshiba, Sanyo, NEC, Aiwa, and Pioneer. On the VHS side were JVC, Matsu****a (Panasonic), Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Sharp, and Akai.

For consumers, the most immediately obvious difference between the two formats was the recording length. Standard Betamax tapes lasted 60 minutes — not long enough to record a movie. Conversely, the 3-hour VHS tapes were perfect for recording television programmes and movies. Sony did adapt and offer various solutions for longer recording, but it was too late. The issue of recording time is often cited as the most defining factor in the war.

At some point and for some reason the choice of rental movies on VHS became better than Betamax. It is arguable how this situation came to be, but once it happened, there was no turning back. Bitter Betamax owners cringed in their ever-decreasing corner of the video store while VHS owners gloated.

The war was over by the late 1980s, although supporters of Betamax have helped keep the format going in a small niche market. Betamax production in America ended in 1993, and the last Betamax machine in the world was produced in Japan in 2002.

Of course, both Betamax and VHS were eventually made obsolete by digital technology.
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One of the big problems they have with Blu-ray is its expense, followed by its market share. "Blu-ray has superior quality, yes," said a spokesperson for porn studio Bangbros, "but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360."
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How short sighted is this guy? Give the PS3 some time and it will probably surpass the 360 in sales. Compounded with not having to buy additional equipment, BR will be the way to go, despite being more difficult and more expensive to produce, if that is even right.
 
Did that moron just imply that there are more XBox HD-DVD drives then there were PS3's? The effing 32X outsold the HD-DVD drive so far.
Also, it is such a shame that the porn industry is going to pick HD-DVD over Blu-Ray now that most major movie studios have dropped HD-DVD.
 
TB
Quote from Vonie's link:

How short sighted is this guy? Give the PS3 some time and it will probably surpass the 360 in sales. Compounded with not having to buy additional equipment, BR will be the way to go, despite being more difficult and more expensive to produce, if that is even right.
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Not to mention it's completely retarded logic. There's less than 100k HD-DVD add-ons sold (could be even less), and there's 800k+ PS3s sold.
 
Digital-Nitrate
If CES was any indication, Blu-ray is in position to dominate the format war in 2007 with a whole slate of new players and as many as 300 new titles. All the top studio heads, except for Universal were on hand talking up their planned BD releases, and with the latest sales figures Blu-ray movies have a 3.5 to 1 lead over HD DVD titles, despite HD DVD having launched several weeks before Blu-ray.

There were many notable exclusive Blu-ray titles announced including:
  1. Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
  2. Night at the Museum
  3. Eragon
  4. Stranger Than Fiction
  5. Crank
  6. The Devil Wears Prada
  7. Casino Royale
  8. Employee of the Month
  9. Saw I
  10. Saw II
  11. Saw III
  12. Kingdom of Heaven
  13. Dodgeball
  14. House of 1000 Corpes
  15. Hostel
  16. Cabin Fever
  17. Walking Tall
  18. Running With Scissors
  19. Cars
  20. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
  21. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
  22. Resident Evil: Apocalypse
  23. The Prestige
  24. Marie Antoinette
  25. The Grudge 2
  26. Gridiron Gang
  27. The Sentinel
  28. The Marine
  29. Open Season
  30. The Guardian
  31. Casanova
  32. Eight Below
  33. Flightplan
  34. Scary Movie 4
  35. Sky High
  36. The Wild
  37. I Robot
  38. Bruce Almighty
  39. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
  40. Alien vs. Predator
  41. Finding Neverland
  42. King Arthur: Director's Cut
  43. Layer Cake
  44. Man on Fire
  45. Master & Commander
  46. From Hell
  47. Chicago
  48. Flyboys
  49. Ice Age
  50. Ladder 49
  51. Winged Migration
  52. Phone Booth
  53. Hart's War
  54. Reign of Fire
  55. Me, Myself & Irene
  56. Dude, Where's My Car?
  57. Monster's Ball
  58. National Lampoon's Van Wilder
  59. Gone in Sixty Seconds
  60. Cast Away
  61. Tristan & Isolde
  62. Turistas
  63. Pearl Harbor
  64. Remember The Titans
  65. Chicken Little
  66. G.I. Jane
  67. The Rock
  68. The Recruit
  69. The Tailor of Panama
  70. Planet of the Apes
  71. American Psycho
  72. Men of Honor
  73. Vertical Limit
  74. Entrapment
  75. Hannibal
  76. Ronin
  77. Out of Time
  78. The Siege
  79. Face/Off
  80. Starship Troopers
  81. ConAir
  82. Crimson Tide
  83. Enemy of the State
  84. Courage Under Fire
  85. Broken Arrow
  86. Air Force One
  87. Independence Day
  88. Dinosaurs
  89. Wild Hogs
  90. Jerry McGuire
  91. A Few Good Men
  92. Young Guns
  93. To Live & Die in L.A.
  94. Ultimate Avengers
  95. Ultimate Avengers 2
  96. Waiting
  97. Requiem for a Dream
  98. PI
  99. Belly
  100. Chain Reaction
  101. The Usual Suspects
  102. Reservoir Dogs
  103. Glory
  104. The Princess Bride
  105. Edward Scissorhands
  106. Bull Durham
  107. Dances with Wolves
  108. Predator
  109. The Fly
  110. Commando
  111. First Blood
  112. Dirty Dancing
  113. Basic Instinct
  114. The Silence of the Lambs
  115. The Thomas Crown Affair
  116. Platoon
  117. Hoosiers
  118. The Graduate
  119. A Fistful of Dollars
  120. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
  121. Battle of Britain
  122. A Bridge Too Far
(This doesn't even include several planned TV series releases.)


HD DVD on the other hand only has the following announced upcoming exclusive titles:
  1. Children of Men
  2. The Good Shepherd
  3. Hollywoodland
  4. Lucky Number Slevin
  5. Pulse
  6. Catch A Fire
  7. Brokeback Mountain
  8. The Mummy Returns
  9. Half Baked
  10. Back to the Future I
  11. Back to the Future II
  12. Back to the Future III
  13. The Land Before Time
  14. The Blues Brothers
  15. The Sting
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The titles in bold I'm looking forward to. So generally it's Blu-ray. But The Blues Brothers I have to get!
 
Just saw this...

Digital-Nitrate
There were many notable exclusive Blu-ray titles announced including:
  1. Casino Royale
  2. Dodgeball
  3. Cars
  4. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
  5. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
  6. Bruce Almighty
  7. Ice Age
  8. Gone in Sixty Seconds
  9. Cast Away
  10. Pearl Harbor
  11. Air Force One
  12. Independence Day
  13. First Blood
(This doesn't even include several planned TV series releases.)


HD DVD on the other hand only has the following announced upcoming exclusive titles:
  1. The Good Shepherd
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I know what I'm getting. :dopey:
 
The porn industry is SO stupid. Those guys can't even spell; what makes you think they are format authorities? All they do is go "mmmm. ooooh. show me that. blah blah." behind a stupid budget camera and then let some other meathead come in and get busy. I'm not suprised that their brains are numb.

I don't think the porn industry will have NEARLY as much importance as they did with choosing VHS. We didn't have the internets with VHS. In fact, bangbros., for example, is probably like 100% internet sales. 30 second clips ftw.
 
More bad news for Toshiba's HD DVD format.

It is official, RCA has stopped making their HDV5000 HD DVD player, and says they wont make any HD player until the format war is over. This was a surprising move, as the HDV5000 was nothing more than a rebadged version of Toshiba's HD-A1, which meant RCA's costs for production were very limited, and were really only acting as a disguised sales agent for Toshiba - a somewhat common practice in the consumer electronic industry.
 
The problem with all those lists right now is that all that content is currently available in a format which is already defacto and more than acceptable to more than the majority of Consumers!
D.V.D

Hell Their are people out there that still happily watch and are happy with their DVDs running through SVideo or lower quality cables.
Plug them in a RGB and they will think theyve got HD t.v!!

In the upgrade to DVD, it was a necessity!
Video tapes were degradaded over time, were too bulky and access and use was to restrictive.

DVDs allowed use in all sorts of hardware,and is now common place everywhere.
How do you convince the public that they now need BlueRay or HDdvd, when their really isnt anything wrong with DVD in most peoples eyes, and those people have a multitude of devices to play DVDs with in the first place!
I Know we will make huge HDTVs that dont really do justice to DVD and convince the consumer they need to upgrade!
But seriously, I mean whos going to need an incar Blueray player, unless we get 36inch + dash mounted TV's:crazy:

Blue ray and HDDVD dont really bring anything essential to the mass consumer.
IMO Blueray and HDdvd will have to fight hard against DVD for many years to come, if they have to do that while fighting DVD it could be along protracted battle!
 
No doubt about that GTXLR. The mass market is driven by the three C's (Content, Convenience, and Cost), and in this regard DVD will remain the best selling optical format. It is one of the reasons why, despite the lower quality of MP3 & AAC, that it is so much more popular than any other audio format. The mass market simply doesn't consider performance as a top priority.

However, the ever growing popularity of HDTV and HD programming, and the improved quality and resolution of HD displays has, and will continue to create a growing demand for HD video.

Will HD video ever outsell standard DVD? Eventually, but not at the current price levels of the necessary hardware and limited selection of software, and as you point out.

That said, you can already get very nice HD displays for $1,000 and prices of 1080p displays are dropping rapidly. HD discs are only about $1-$5 more than the DVD versions, and you can already rent them for the same as standard DVD's. Selection is also growing at a much faster rate than DVD did back in 1997, thanks to the fact that studios have been making 1080p masters for many current and classic films in preperation for HD video as well as for HD broadcasts.

It really comes down to the hardware and content, and for those who own PS3's the cost of hardware is already taken care of, so it wont cost them any more to rent Blu-ray titles, while at the same time getting over 6 times greater resolution than standard DVD. When they realize this, and see the difference, that's when you'll see a growth in Blu-ray sales... as has already been seen since Christmas. As the library of HD titles grows, sales will grow with it.
 
Using data provided by consumer research firm Nielsen VideoScan, Sony found out that:


Blu-ray has surpassed HD-DVD in cumulative sales.
Blu-ray titles outsold HD-DVD titles by more than a two-to-one margin during the first week of January (47.14 HD DVD titles for every 100 Blu-ray titles)
Blu-ray titles outsold HD-DVD titles closer to three-to-one during the second week of the month (38.36 HD-DVD titles for every 100 Blu-ray titles)
 
Jeremy Ricci
Using data provided by consumer research firm Nielsen VideoScan, Sony found out that:


Blu-ray has surpassed HD-DVD in cumulative sales.
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Actually, it hasn't. The current ratio of total sales is approximately 82.3 BD titles for every 100 HD-DVD titles.

The earlier reports weren't inaccurate so much as they were incomplete.. they didn't count the HD-DVD/DVD combo discs. Which, while limited compare to their full HD-DVD counterparts, are still technically HD-DVDs and should be counted. The new number I quoted above (from The Digital Bits' front page) contains the full count. Soon, that won't matter anymore, since Universal is starting to cut back on the number of combo discs they make, especially on their catalog titles. It could be the first step in phasing out the option due to negative reaction from consumers.

But you are correct in that Blu-ray has been outselling HD-DVD for several weeks running now, and they're quickly catching up in terms of cumulative sales, which is surprising considering how much lead time HD-DVD had over Blu-ray. The PS3 is starting to make itself felt as a factor in this war. It certainly matters to me... My ratio of Blu-ray to HD-DVD movies is approximately 3:0, and I don't even have a PS3 yet. :)
 
Jedi2016
Actually, it hasn't. The current ratio of total sales is approximately 82.3 BD titles for every 100 HD-DVD titles.

The earlier reports weren't inaccurate so much as they were incomplete.. they didn't count the HD-DVD/DVD combo discs. Which, while limited compare to their full HD-DVD counterparts, are still technically HD-DVDs and should be counted. The new number I quoted above (from The Digital Bits' front page) contains the full count. Soon, that won't matter anymore, since Universal is starting to cut back on the number of combo discs they make, especially on their catalog titles. It could be the first step in phasing out the option due to negative reaction from consumers.

But you are correct in that Blu-ray has been outselling HD-DVD for several weeks running now, and they're quickly catching up in terms of cumulative sales, which is surprising considering how much lead time HD-DVD had over Blu-ray. The PS3 is starting to make itself felt as a factor in this war. It certainly matters to me... My ratio of Blu-ray to HD-DVD movies is approximately 3:0, and I don't even have a PS3 yet. :)
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I think that the 500K copies of Talladega Nights weren't taken into account for those numbers, lol.

Eitherway, it doesn't matter much to me, I'm fairly certain at this point that I haven't pissed away all of my money backing a useless format, so that's good. I have about 7 Blu-Ray movies, and no HDTV...I'm just that awesome.

I had one, but it went out, bad color wheel AND lamp at the same time, it was SO win.

So, needless to say, I'm just holding out for another month until I make my choice, I'm pretty set between 2 TV's, just can't decide which one...
 

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