New Lotus Esprit to be revealed in September

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Acording to Top gear magazine lotus are to reveal a new esprit this September.

What are your thoughts.
 
It's kind of been part of this discussion but it definitely deserves its own thread. I've been keeping a close eye on Lotus news recently and it looks like the Paris Motor Show in September is going to very exciting for Lotus fans.

I've got my fingers crossed that Lotus has really pulled out the stops for the new Esprit and that it will be as good as the Ferrari 458, McLaren MP4-12C/Mercedes SLS AMG. If it has the V10 from the Lexus LFA then it will be all kinds of awesome :)
 
Happy when new cars come out, but they should not bring a great company like Lotus into bankruptcy.

The Paris Motorshow is 2-17 October, so it will be shown before.
 
I'm really interested to see the new one as well, particularly keen to see what styling it takes and what engine it gets.
 
Happy when new cars come out, but they should not bring a great company like Lotus into bankruptcy.

The Paris Motorshow is 2-17 October, so it will be shown before.

Good point about the Paris Motorshow. The reason I refered to it is because that's when I had read the new Esprit would be revealed (here, here and here)

lbsf1, does the magazine say it will be revealed at the Paris Motorshow in September like this article on their website? If so they've got the month wrong and you could change the thread title to "New Lotus Esprit to be revealed at Paris Motorshow in October"...if you like :)
 
Acording to TG mag it just says that lotus has hinted it will reveal the remake of the Esprit in September. Hmm is it just a typo or is going to be revealed before Paris Motor show.
 
If it has the V10 from the Lexus LFA then it will be all kinds of awesome :)

Yeah, the engine would fit in perfectly but on the downside, it would share the same titanium components and expensive features of the V10, raising the price tag to something Lamborghini'ish. I would like to see a turbocharged version, just to keep up with the tradition and to keep the price within a conservative boundary. ;)
 
Looks like you got the thread title right lbsf1 :)👍

It's all still rumour so far but it looks like we will find out on 30th September at 4.45pm (CET)

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Lotus Esprit May Use Lexus LFA V10 Power

Just the Facts:

* The more mainstream Esprit would be powered by a V8, also likely from Lexus.
* Lotus is using the Esprit to move upmarket into Ferrari/Maserati territory.
* Also debuting at Paris will be two new versions of the midengine Evora.


HETHEL, England — The next-generation Lotus Esprit supercar, details of which will be announced at the 2010 Paris Auto Show next month, could be powered by the 552-horsepower Lexus LFA V10, says a source close to the company.

That would be for the Esprit in its ultimate form — the more mainstream version would be offered with a V8, also likely to be sourced from Lexus. That engine will probably be a version of the 416-hp 5.0-liter engine fitted to the Lexus IS F sedan. When asked to confirm this possibility, a Lotus spokesman said that he "couldn't comment."

The Esprit is central to a planned shift upmarket for the British sports-car maker. This major new strategy is the brainchild of recently installed CEO Dany Bahar, who came from Ferrari. Details of this plan are also expected at Paris, but it would appear that Bahar and his new management team — which includes Bob Lutz in a consulting capacity — have concluded that Lotus is both underexploited as a brand and that the road to profitability, a condition rarely experienced at the company, is to build road cars with fatter profit margins in them. And that means building models pitched closer to Ferrari, Jaguar, Maserati and Porsche, among others.

This territory is not unknown to Lotus; the previous Esprit, killed off in 2004, competed at the bottom end of this segment. Its scope for competing further upscale was always limited by its fiberglass construction and uncertain build quality.

The new Esprit will be built to much higher standards than this, aided by the company's long-standing links with Toyota, with which it has had an excellent relationship spanning more than 25 years. Toyota supplies all of Lotus' engines and gearboxes and plenty of lesser components besides, so the sourcing of Lexus hardware should not be such a big jump. The new Esprit is expected to be central to Lotus's plans to raise its profile in the U.S. and other major markets around the world.

Also to be announced at the Paris show are two new versions of the Evora sports car: a 350-horsepower Evora S — the stock version produces 276 hp — and a paddle-shift six-speed auto. Called Intelligent Precision Shift, it's mated to the lower-powered version of the Toyota V6. Both versions are likely to be offered in the U.S.

Inside Line says: Lotus will face strong headwinds at these higher prices, Lexus powered or not, as another management team seeks to exploit its long underplayed potential. — Richard Bremner, Correspondent
 
Not a bad idea on Toyota's part. Not like they have any further use for the engine other than, perhaps, a future SuperGT car...Now they can recoup some of the losses from the LF-A.
 
The Paris Motorshow is 2-17 October, so it will be shown before.

Press days (the 30th & the 1st) precede the general public show, which are the dates you've given. Press embargos will probably be lifted a day or two before the live unveiling, so we might already see this on the 28th or 29th.

I'm very excited, although not quite the anticipation I had for the Evora. Being the first true model since the S2 Elise, it was a pretty big step for Lotus. The Evora is gorgeous too, for those who still haven't seen one...
 
Yeah, I saw that on insideline yesterday too, I just don't like the idea of two different engines on the same supercar ( A V10 and a V8 version ), if Lotus really are intending to move upmarket, they should produce only the best and most prestigious version, but I honestly think that aiming at the 458 in a quite impressive and somewhat agressive move, there's very few things better than that car in the market right now.

Let's hope the new Esprit can match the excellency of the Ferrari, price doesn't mean much when you're spending $200000 in a supercar.
 
Yeah, I saw that on insideline yesterday too, I just don't like the idea of two different engines on the same supercar ( A V10 and a V8 version ),

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"yu nu liek me?"

((Well, I don't like him, but that's aside the point...))
 
The R8 seems to have been a pretty big thorn in Lotus' side for Esprit marketing. It set a very high benchmark in performance that Lotus wanted to top, however would have been near impossible to beat it in performance and meet it in price. It is somewhat good that it has taken this long to release the Esprit; I don't think they could compete with the R8 two years ago.
 
"yu nu liek me?"

((Well, I don't like him, but that's aside the point...))

I rewrote my reply several times and erased all over again and again, I agree that my point isn't very clear. :lol:

Let me put this simple: The R8 V8 is on the lower supercar market, the Gallardo stands on the upper segment, the R8 V10 is lost in between, feels out of place to me.

I don't know how the Esprit fits in that thinking now... :dopey:, I guess I was quite drunk when I wrote my previous post. But my point is, if the expensive segment is the way to go, put only the V10 and don't detune the thing, after Lotus supercar manufacturer prestige is recovered with the V10 Esprit, use it's platform to build a cheaper car, featuring less carbon fiber and more aluminum, put in a tuned Lexus V8 and sell it as a competitor to the R8, name it E<<somethingelsethan"sprit">> and voi-lá, you have a moneymaker. Otherwise, they won't be able to compete performance-wise with the 458 and likes without a lot of carbon fiber, and the V8 version will be much more expensive than the Audi because of the already said CF and all fancy materials. So don't go for the middle way, both sides would be sacrificed, build two different models.
 
I loved the original Esprit, so I hope this one captures the original's spirit. It'll be interesting to see how it looks... I suspect it'll look like a cross between the 80's Esprit and the modern Evora.
 
Does anyone know why almost all (well a LOT anyway) Lotus models start with an "E"? Elan, Elise, Esprit, Evora, Eleven, Europa, Eclat, Elite.......
 
It has something to do with the Lotus Eleven, before that, all Lotus road cars were named by MarkI, MarkII and onwards, so when they launched the 11, it could have been mistaken ( at least in the fertile imagination of Mr. Chapman ) for the roman algarism 2, so they started the E tradition. At least, a friend of mine told me that story, not sure if that's 100% accurate though.
 
It will not have the LF-A engine. Toyota has no reason to sell it (particularly considering the rumours stating that the Evora got the 2GR-FE instead of the 2GR-FSE because Toyota wouldn't sell the better engine to them); and Lotus, who are no strangers to turbocharging, would have no reason to use it. It would be much more expensive to buy than a turbocharged Lexus V8, it would be no faster than a turbocharged Lexus V8, and as far as crazy supercar motors go the 1LR-GUE isn't even that impressive, so it wouldn't even make a particularly good bullet point on sales literature.

As I said in the other thread:
The probability that the next Esprit will end up with the 1LR-GUE is so unlikely that it is in the negatives. Not only would Toyota never sell it (can you imagine Ferrari selling engines to, say, GM, for use in the Corvette?), but Lotus very likely couldn't afford it.


My guess is that they will opt for a Toyota V8 with some form of forced induction added. Either the old 3UZ-FE from the Lexus SC430 or the current 1UR-FE found in the Tundra. Possibly even the direct injection 1UR-FSE from the Lexus LS460. Maybe the 2UR-GSE from the Lexus IS-F, but I find that doubtful as well.
 
Given that I don't know much about Toyota's V8 program(s), I wouldn't be able to make a reasonable call in this situation. That being said, the higher RPM performance of the Lexus 5.0L unit from the IS-F would make a hell of a lot more sense than the 4.6L or 5.7L units from the Tundra, which are near enough "American" V8s. A turbocharged 4.6L would be interesting though, that's for sure.

Thing is, if they pull the 5.0L from the IS-F, would Toyota make them use that fancy 8-speed gearbox?
 
Wow crikey, I leave a thread for a day and this happens. ;)

As long as it has some powerfull engines in it I don't mind however I'm most intrested in the styling. Will it be based on the evora or will it be a complete new design or will have similarities to the old one. My dad being a lotus owner is now very excited and so am I lets all hope it lives up to lotus's history.

Quoting someone from the top gear forum. "I want the lotus to be very light and reliable, hang on scrap that, replace the reliability with extra lightness."
 
I'm expecting a blend of Evora and old school Esprit, something modern like the Evora, but a little bit more angular like the old Esprit.

Regarding the engine choice, a V10 would be awesome but would likely be detuned to preserve the LFA as the halo supercar and rightful owner of said powerplant, the IS-F V8 would be suitable with some tuning, and after the GTR monster twin turbo V6, I can even see Lotus twin turbocharging the Evora's V6 to save some costs and drop the price tag by a lot. If it is light as lotuses usually are, and got 500+ horsepower it won't be anything else but brilliant, despite of how much pots it has.
 
Sadly I'm abit dissapointed by the design. To me they seem very heartless and corporate, not with real passion and soul like the original.
 
Sadly I'm abit dissapointed by the design. To me they seem very heartless and corporate, not with real passion and soul like the original.

This is the new Lotus Elite GT car, they haven't revealed the new Esprit yet but should do in a week.
 
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