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Do cars drive differently when racing online vs. A Spec? or do tires get worn out the more you drive them race after race?

Lately I've noticed the cars I've driven before are a little bit loose or tail happy. I have the same setting and using the same track, but I'm crashing more. I don't think I'm driving more aggressively, so I don't know what's going on.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance for all the help.
 
The grip isn't as strong online.

You'd think that a lower mu coeffiecient would make the tyres last longer but in fact they wear more quickly because they're slipping around.

For practice/testing it's generally better to open your own private lounge and use the 'online' settings. When you get back offline you'll be a Driving God :D
 
Yes things are different online, there is also mecahical damage, time peneltys for cutting corners, some races have false starts also.


The biggest difference about racing online are the silly little tanrum throwing 12 year olds you race against, they have one spinout, fall into last place and then drop out and leave the room!

These people are silly little children playing a video game, they have no understanding what so ever of what true motorsport is all about. I can go from 3rd to last in one spin but I can still manage to crawl my way and finish a few places from last or even 2nd to last. Don't they realise they will earn a lot more respect by soldiering on and climing a couple of places rather than throwing their controller down and leave the race just beacause they will never get 1st.

Its not all about 1st place its the fun of racing!!

These people also don't understand the difference betwen 'race for real' and 'race for fun'.
 
Bailout
Yes things are different online, there is also mecahical damage, time peneltys for cutting corners, some races have false starts also.

The biggest difference about racing online are the silly little tanrum throwing 12 year olds you race against, they have one spinout, fall into last place and then drop out and leave the room!

These people are silly little children playing a video game, they have no understanding what so ever of what true motorsport is all about. I can go from 3rd to last in one spin but I can still manage to crawl my way and finish a few places from last or even 2nd to last. Don't they realise they will earn a lot more respect by soldiering on and climing a couple of places rather than throwing their controller down and leave the race just beacause they will never get 1st.

Its not all about 1st place its the fun of racing!!

These people also don't understand the difference betwen 'race for real' and 'race for fun'.
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He is asking about the physics you know? Not online experiences.
 
Bailout
Yes things are different online, there is also mecahical damage, time peneltys for cutting corners, some races have false starts also.


The biggest difference about racing online are the silly little tanrum throwing 12 year olds you race against, they have one spinout, fall into last place and then drop out and leave the room!

These people are silly little children playing a video game, they have no understanding what so ever of what true motorsport is all about. I can go from 3rd to last in one spin but I can still manage to crawl my way and finish a few places from last or even 2nd to last. Don't they realise they will earn a lot more respect by soldiering on and climing a couple of places rather than throwing their controller down and leave the race just beacause they will never get 1st.

Its not all about 1st place its the fun of racing!!

These people also don't understand the difference betwen 'race for real' and 'race for fun'.
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I think you misunderstood my post... I said that the OP should open a private lounge to practice if he needed to practice with online grip levels.

He could turn damage/tyre wear/fuel use if he wished to. I share your feelings about some public online lobbies (but certainly not all) but that shouldn't put him off.

Online organisers are the way to go. There are plenty of them and they enforce rules properly and they put the fun back into online competition.
 
Bailout
Yes things are different online, there is also mecahical damage, time peneltys for cutting corners, some races have false starts also.


The biggest difference about racing online are the silly little tanrum throwing 12 year olds you race against, they have one spinout, fall into last place and then drop out and leave the room!

These people are silly little children playing a video game, they have no understanding what so ever of what true motorsport is all about. I can go from 3rd to last in one spin but I can still manage to crawl my way and finish a few places from last or even 2nd to last. Don't they realise they will earn a lot more respect by soldiering on and climing a couple of places rather than throwing their controller down and leave the race just beacause they will never get 1st.

Its not all about 1st place its the fun of racing!!

These people also don't understand the difference betwen 'race for real' and 'race for fun'.



TenEightyOne
I think you misunderstood my post... I said that the OP should open a private lounge to practice if he needed to practice with online grip levels.

He could turn damage/tyre wear/fuel use if he wished to. I share your feelings about some public online lobbies (but certainly not all) but that shouldn't put him off.

Online organisers are the way to go. There are plenty of them and they enforce rules properly and they put the fun back into online competition.
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Well unless im blind i cant see where you stated the above comments. you cant just go ranting about kids, they are kids for crikeys sake grow up you where young one day, and going off on one lke this does'nt help them.

OP yes online the physics are slightly different as stated above, open a online lobby for yourslf and practise your tuning there that should help you perfect it.
 
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mark2002
Well unless im blind i cant see where you stated the above comments. you cant just go ranting about kids, they are kids for crikeys sake grow up you where young one day, and going off on one lke this does'nt help them.

OP yes online the physics are slightly different as stated above, open a online lobby for yourslf and practise your tuning there that should help you perfect it.
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Hey Mark,

your multi-quote did not quite work out.

TenEightyOne advised in this post about the use of the private lounge.

Bailout on the other hand was describing his perception of the online experience in this post.

Back on topic; online physics are different; and yes, practicing in your private lounge (with tyre wear and fuel depletion on) helps you setting up your car.
 
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Bailout
Yes things are different online, there is also mecahical damage, time peneltys for cutting corners, some races have false starts also.


The biggest difference about racing online are the silly little tanrum throwing 12 year olds you race against, they have one spinout, fall into last place and then drop out and leave the room!

These people are silly little children playing a video game, they have no understanding what so ever of what true motorsport is all about. I can go from 3rd to last in one spin but I can still manage to crawl my way and finish a few places from last or even 2nd to last. Don't they realise they will earn a lot more respect by soldiering on and climing a couple of places rather than throwing their controller down and leave the race just beacause they will never get 1st.
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This is an important fact so many people miss, a good fight for 9th and 10th is just as fun as a fight for 3rd and 4th or even 1st and 2nd... Racing is all about the lines, the angles, braking points, outwitting and outdriving the car behind you.... All of which is just as fun at 9th as it is 3rd.


fjcatherine New Member
Do cars drive differently when racing online vs. A Spec? or do tires get worn out the more you drive them race after race?

Lately I've noticed the cars I've driven before are a little bit loose or tail happy. I have the same setting and using the same track, but I'm crashing more. I don't think I'm driving more aggressively, so I don't know what's going on.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance for all the help.
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The difference you notice is that Online when Tyre Wear is enabled when you start the race you will have cold tyres. Which in turn means during that already crazy first corner, it's made even worse by the fact everyone is driving on ice.
You will notice halfway through or after your first lap you will be able to push considerably harder.
 
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I think the connection quality also affects how the car drives. In some online lobbies, my car has nearly the same level of grip as during a-spec. While in others, I feel like I'm on C/S tires.
 
i think its also good to only use racing hards offline (e.g. in a-spec). The handling is "quite" simmilar to racing softs online (RS online are a bite better).
It helps me alot to not live in the two different worlds. And after i strugeled in a corner offline i take it precisely online afterwards.
 
There is differens in handling between A-Spec and Online racing. Just try to drive Audi R8 V10, Lamborghini Gallardo LP-570, Mercedes C-classe AMG 2008, full tuned and stock settings on High Speed Ring in A-Spec / Practice mode with assistanses off, and then in online on the same track.

You are going to see that those cars are undrivable in the online mode with stock settings and all assistanses off .
 
Biggest difference is fuel weight. By far.

Cold tires might make a difference, but they do at least give the appearance of starting cold and warming up on the HUD offline, they just don't wear. I could swear I've noticed that the first lap offline I do have less grip, just as I'd expect on cold tires. Seemed quite pronounced on the 24-hour or VLN Ring tracks, but it's tough to say for sure as I haven't done a specific test for it.

Fuel throws everything out of whack and offline gives you no experience for learning it, at least until you get to the endurance events. Well, I think it's on for one-make races, but with no AI upgrades for balance and no money, what's the point of running those? With a full tank you can't accelerate as fast, you can't decelerate as fast, you can't turn as hard, you can't change turning direction as quickly and you can't accelerate or decelerate while turning as easily.

I guess the best way to test this would be to use a pure electric vehicle as that shouldn't lose any weight as it loses charge(I think).
 

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