Acceptance of GT5s flaws....single/multiple systems (mark II)

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Do you accept GT5s flaws and what systems do you have for sim racing

  • yes - PS3 only

    Votes: 26 36.1%

  • no - PS3 only

    Votes: 8 11.1%

  • yes - PS3 and xb360

    Votes: 6 8.3%

  • no - PS3 and xb360

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • yes - PS3 and PC

    Votes: 12 16.7%

  • no - PS3 and PC

    Votes: 8 11.1%

  • yes - all three

    Votes: 7 9.7%

  • no - all three

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Total voters
    72
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Right, this is my last poll idea to test (I can hear the cheers).

My last theory is that those happiest with GT5 ONLY have a PS3 and no other system so can't compare GT5 properly to games that implement many things better than GT5.

Obviously I'm discounting the Wii as it's Sim racing game capability is laughable

And at the last minute I'm separating the PC simmers too. As I'm predominantly a PC simmer (well up until my gfx card failed!)

won't be a perfect poll, just ignore if it doesn't quite apply or click the nearest one.

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DO NOT TELL ME TO STOP PLAYING THE GAME
 
I don't see how this poll wil help you understand how to improve the game. All it did for me is show that most people accept it how it is.
 
Yes I only have a PS3 but that does not stop me from going to the local games shop and having a go at the different consoles/games. Most are only too keen to get people playing the latest games on their demo consoles as the logic is that if you have a taste you'll buy.

I had an atari 800 because I wanted to play PolePosition.
I had a PS1 because I wanted to play TestDrive and GT2 (or was it 1??)
I had an Xbox because I wanted to play PGR.
I had a PS2 because I wanted to play GT4. I got a bundle with V8 Supercars but it just wasn't as good. Racing in local tracks (AU) was great but ended up just running Bathurst over and over.
Now I have a PS3 because I want to play GT5.

All except the PS3 have been sold once the game du jour became boring.
 
S.Kobayashi
I don't see how this poll wil help you understand how to improve the game. All it did for me is show that most people accept it how it is.
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It won't help me understand how to improve the game, that wasn't my aim. I was exploring the acceptance of the flaws, something that I just cannot do. And going by the early results here it could just be that many people just have the PS3 and thus are more than happy with GT5, whereas I have access to multiple games of the genre which makes me less likely to just put up with the flaws.

I can't do anything about that, as I can't erase my memory. I can't just play online as that doesn't interest me. I can't do much about my age.

But some comments struck me as a possible, I have to try and just endure the racing to aquire the money I need for cars....than just hotlap them on my favourite (gt5) tracks.

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This I think is the most telling poll so far, and in retrospect the most obvious (d'oh). Of course those with only the PS3 will be more willing to accept the flaws of the game. It is by far and away the best racing sim on the PS3. But it's not the best over the three systems.
 
Interesting thread this.

Well today im trading GT5 in considering I haven't played it in months. Im also selling my G25/wheelstand pro. You may ask what has this to do with the thread and I shall explain.

If I hadn't played the likes of PG3, Forza and continued playing GT4 whilst waiting for GT5 then I would of been perfectly happy with GT5. After playing the likes of Forza 2/3 the gameplay on GT5 is outdated, boring and im still utterly amazed leaderboards aren't in GT5. The likes of FM2/3 have shown the way especially with its online features.

Recent fiasco with PSN has also put me off which is why im happily going back to the 360. When you return to xbox live, Forza it feels as though you have jumped 10yrs into the future!

So yes playing other games i.e Forza has made me less tolerant to the flaws on GT5.
 
II IVORBIGUN II
Interesting thread this.

Well today im trading GT5 in considering I haven't played it in months. Im also selling my G25/wheelstand pro. You may ask what has this to do with the thread and I shall explain.

If I hadn't played the likes of PG3, Forza and continued playing GT4 whilst waiting for GT5 then I would of been perfectly happy with GT5. After playing the likes of Forza 2/3 the gameplay on GT5 is outdated, boring and im still utterly amazed leaderboards aren't in GT5. The likes of FM2/3 have shown the way especially with its online features.

Recent fiasco with PSN has also put me off which is why im happily going back to the 360. When you return to xbox live, Forza it feels as though you have jumped 10yrs into the future!

So yes playing other games i.e Forza has made me less tolerant to the flaws on GT5.
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and an interesting post! I too am amazed theres no online leaderboards as that alone would have given me a bucket load of fun out of GT5, I'm chuffed that many of my times in Forza 3 are in the top 1%. In fact if GT5 has leaderboards I think that would let me overlook a lot of the flaws that wind me up!
 
what is this tosh? gt5 has leaderboards...

people who talk like this in my experience are **** at sim racing and can't be bothered to learn some proper no aids motor racing and so run crying back to dumbed down arcade racers and also own 26 versions of call of duty.

this may just be however my opinion as I too only own a ps3, which I only ever bought for gt5
 
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Bobalob
what is this tosh? gt5 has leaderboards...
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Compared to other racing games it hasn't.

Where are the time trial leaderboards like GT5P? Where are the leaderboards for A Spec mode. The likes of FM2, TDU 1/2 had career leaderboards and so does many other racing games.

These days an abundance of leaderboards is a must for any racing game but unfortunately PD/Kaz haven't moved with the times.

If A Spec had leaderboards including friends leaderboards this would of increased the replay value a great deal more. Instead replaying events for credits becomes very boring.

P.S I never use aids but considering you have never played FM2/3 then this is why you cannot see the flaws. If you had experience of all the leaderboards on Forza then you would appreciate what your missing.

Check this link out to see how competitive it is on Forza.

http://forzastats.vvvgamer.com/
 
robbo6
This I think is the most telling poll so far, and in retrospect the most obvious (d'oh). Of course those with only the PS3 will be more willing to accept the flaws of the game. It is by far and away the best racing sim on the PS3. But it's not the best over the three systems.
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It is the best driving sim, but by far not the best racing sim....and much more not the best racing game.
 
Big Ron
It is the best driving sim, but by far not the best racing sim....and much more not the best racing game.
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Good post.

For me the physics on GT5 are just superb and definately the best on any console. However this is ruined by the many flaws on GT5. Like I said to my friends the other day, GT5 is like having a fantastic looking girlfriend who only wants to be friends i.e pointless and a complete waste!

The problem with Kaz is he doesn't look at what the opposition is doing i.e Forza. The other problem with Kaz is he spends too much time focussing on the wrong thing. For example many months of modelling the cockpits on premium cars and yet doesn't bother with simple features like leaderboards.

The other problem is many on this forum have remained loyal to GT and haven't played other racing games. Im sure some are satisfied with grinding and collecting and participating in the odd seasonal time trial or racing online. However the likes of myself have experienced far more extensive online features such as career leaderboards, auction house, online tournaments and because of this I expected more.

Some just don't get how important A Spec leaderboards would of been. Repeating events for credits gets boring very quickly. However if you have a leaderboard then its great fun competiting against the world. Also this requires a different mindset compared to hotlapping because its a fine line between pushing too hard and not enough. They even could of had an overall A Spec leaderboards and not just for the events itself like FM2 did.

The fact is GT5 is more of a grinding and collecting car game than a racing game. At the end of the day playing video games is supposed to be fun and unfortunately GT5 lacks the fun factor. Sorry but having to leave my PS3 for many days to complete an endurance race isn't my idea of fun.

PD/Kaz seriously need to start looking at what the opposition is doing otherwise the GT franchise will get even further behind its competitors.
 
wtf are you chatting there are time trial rankings and drift rankings...

just because it isn't all glitzy 13 year old attention grabbing ********? suppose you need a trophy for wiping your arse what the helll do you people want?

as for the colourfull haiku post it's the ultimate console racing sim, it doesn't really attempt to be a game...

I thoroughly respect Japanese developers for not giving a flying **** about designing a game for the 13 year old xbox market.
 
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Bobalob
wtf are you chatting there are time trial rankings and drift rankings...
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People want permanent leaderboards (like just about every other online racing game out there today), not just temporary ones that disappear forever after a few weeks. Maybe if they kept all the time and drift trials since the beginning permanent, people wouldn't complain as much.

just because it isn't all glitzy 13 year old attention grabbing ********? suppose you need a trophy for wiping your arse what the helll do you people want?
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The previous GT games weren't that way either, but they were still way more enjoyable than GT5 for many people. Maybe because the way they worked made sense. E.g. No stupidly expensive cars, plenty of events, etc.


as for the colourfull haiku post it's the ultimate console racing sim, it doesn't really attempt to be a game...
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As long as GT5 forces you to play through GT Life in order for you to get the cars you just want to drive, it needs to work as a game. Unfortunately the lack of events, ridiculously priced cars, and the huge amount of grinding required to get money for said cars prevent it from being an enjoyable experience.

I thoroughly respect Japanese developers for not giving a flying **** about designing a game for the 13 year old xbox market.
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I don't think anyone wants GT5 to be exactly like Shift 2 or Forza 3. But GT is stuck in the stone age in many areas and it wouldn't hurt if it implemented other features from other racing games such as more tuning options like engine swaps, livery editor, carrer leaderboards, etc. And I honestly think it's a bit frustrating how Kaz thinks that he doesn't need to pay attention to what other racing games are doing. It isn't 2001 anymore.
 
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Bobalob
wtf are you chatting there are time trial rankings and drift rankings...

just because it isn't all glitzy 13 year old attention grabbing ********? suppose you need a trophy for wiping your arse what the helll do you people want?

as for the colourfull haiku post it's the ultimate console racing sim, it doesn't really attempt to be a game...

I thoroughly respect Japanese developers for not giving a flying **** about designing a game for the 13 year old xbox market.
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What are you? An ignoramus who wears a rose-colored glasses? If you find GT5 that great as it is, then you have no real demands on fun.
 
Bobalob
wtf are you chatting there are time trial rankings and drift rankings...

just because it isn't all glitzy 13 year old attention grabbing ********? suppose you need a trophy for wiping your arse what the helll do you people want?

as for the colourfull haiku post it's the ultimate console racing sim, it doesn't really attempt to be a game...

I thoroughly respect Japanese developers for not giving a flying **** about designing a game for the 13 year old xbox market.
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Irony of your post because you harp on about 13yr old gamers and yet your post appears to be written by a 2yr old!

I really can't be bothered to explain to you because its clear you have no experience of the gameplay features I mention. If you had then you would realise what im saying. The fact is the gameplay on GT5 is around 10yrs behind other racing franchises and one of the reasons for this is because Kaz/PD take no notice of what the competitors are doing. I started online gaming back in 2005 on the PS2 and even back then some of the racing games had more online leaderboards than GT5.

I really don't understand what went wrong with the development of GT5. It appears they spent 5yrs developing the graphics, physics but around 5mins developing the rest of the game.

Just add that on Forza 3 their are many online racing teams and the average age of the team that I belong to is 30. This completely dismisses your comment about 13yr Xbox gamers!
 
features? you mention leaderboards 3 times... what do you want?

I'm glad gt5 is not yet another rehashed xbox title...

I agree on many points of simple features being ridiculously missing but what you term "gameplay" I term mindless rehashed drivel. The underlying gameplay is a quality driving sim, would a sweet skinning system, online league battles, attachable rocket powered water cooled roof scoop really add that much interest for you if it's not there already?
 
no real demands off fun? I like driving on gt5. I don't need extra pointless distractions to keep me entertained.

It's the driving I like pal.

also as yet I havnt resorted to personal attacks on people I don't know.
 
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Bobalob
no real demands off fun? I like driving on gt5. I don't need extra pointless distractions to keep me entertained.

It's the driving I like pal.

also as yet I havnt resorted to personal attacks on people I don't know.
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Oh, but using WTF and saying every other racing game features (GT5 has none of them) are for 13 years old, isn´t personal attack?
 
Bobalob
features? you mention leaderboards 3 times... what do you want?

I'm glad gt5 is not yet another rehashed xbox title...

I agree on many points of simple features being ridiculously missing but what you term "gameplay" I term mindless rehashed drivel. The underlying gameplay is a quality driving sim, would a sweet skinning system, online league battles, attachable rocket powered water cooled roof scoop really add that much interest for you if it's not there already?
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What do I want?
Online tournaments
Online Auction house
Online leaderboards i.e time trials for stock cars, A Spec, Top gear TT.
Co-op driving
Livery editor

How can you call something mindless rehased drivel when you haven't even experienced the enjoyment of career leaderboards. Wouldn't you find it enjoyable comparing your overall time with your friends after say 10 laps around Grand Valley Speedway. Don't you agree that having a A Spec career leaderboard gives you more motivation to keep re-running the event because your not only doing this for credits but to beat your friends overall time or compete against the world.

What I don't want is a boring single player mode which makes you continuously have to re-run events for a paltry amount of credits with none of your laptimes being recorded. This grinding was perfectly acceptable back in the days before broadband but isn't acceptable in the year 2011. Obviously some people such as yourself who are stuck in the past are perfectly happy because you don't know any different.

Online tournaments were great fun on FM2. At first you had to qualify and then you were placed into the tournament. You would then recieve a message saying your race was about to start and by simply pressing a button you entered into the race.
 
MuoNiuLa
People want permanent leaderboards (like just about every other online racing game out there today), not just temporary ones that disappear forever after a few weeks. Maybe if they kept all the time and drift trials since the beginning permanent, people wouldn't complain as much.

The previous GT games weren't that way either, but they were still way more enjoyable than GT5 for many people. Maybe because the way they worked made sense. E.g. No stupidly expensive cars, plenty of events, etc.

As long as GT5 forces you to play through GT Life in order for you to get the cars you just want to drive, it needs to work as a game. Unfortunately the lack of events, ridiculously priced cars, and the huge amount of grinding required to get money for said cars prevent it from being an enjoyable experience.

I don't think anyone wants GT5 to be exactly like Shift 2 or Forza 3. But GT is stuck in the stone age in many areas and it wouldn't hurt if it implemented other features from other racing games such as more tuning options like engine swaps, livery editor, carrer leaderboards, etc. And I honestly think it's a bit frustrating how Kaz thinks that he doesn't need to pay attention to what other racing games are doing. It isn't 2001 anymore.
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Good points.

I actually agree on every point except the fact Kaz is sticking to his guns, yes he's missed some important points but arnt you glad he hasn't fallen into line ? they have the driving aspect on lockdown but the Internet/community/online side is **** but then so is every in house Japanese title
 
I don't want to go off topic but...

WTF isn't directed at anyone...

and I actually said it doesn't NEED 13 year old tinsel. I don't blame them, it's their biggest market, but I wouldn't stand for my driving sim being dumbed down so some child doesn't loose his rag cause he can't learn to race a car in 20 minutes.
 
Bobalob
I don't want to go off topic but...

WTF isn't directed at anyone...

and I actually said it doesn't NEED 13 year old tinsel. I don't blame them, it's their biggest market, but I wouldn't stand for my driving sim being dumbed down so some child doesn't loose his rag cause he can't learn to race a car in 20 minutes.
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Sorry, but I don´t know what you are thinking good gameplay-features are. A good gameplay features isn´t to make the gameplay as easy that a baby could play it.
Good features create moments, which let you replay the game a lot and not realising after 10h: "oh, ok....the cars handle great, the graphics are cool, nice photomode....but where is the rest?"
 
Bobalob
Good points.

but the Internet/community/online side is **** but then so is every in house Japanese title
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You make an interesting point because for me part of the problem is the difference between Japan and western gaming. Appears to me the online aspect of video games isn't as important to Japanese gamers compared to say the US/Europe. When I think about it i've met many people from all over the world but I haven't noticed many online gamers from Japan.

This again only proves my point that Kaz/PD need to look at what western developers are doing. This is especially true considering many of the GTS gamers come from the W.

When gamers buy a COD game hardly anyone really bothers with the single player because its online where the action is. Infact I know some people who don't even bother playing the single player mode and jump straight online.
 
online tournaments sound good

so does an online auction house

but what your all telling me sounds like your bored of racing on gt5, which different way would you like to race?

I've raced online, mostly drifting but what's the problem? co-op driving? what's that? one does the gears? lol

your talking about online leagues and tournaments which gt5 is perfectly capable of now with some website framework for a league you could organise your own and have it up in a day.
 
Bobalob
I don't want to go off topic but...

WTF isn't directed at anyone...

and I actually said it doesn't NEED 13 year old tinsel. I don't blame them, it's their biggest market, but I wouldn't stand for my driving sim being dumbed down so some child doesn't loose his rag cause he can't learn to race a car in 20 minutes.
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Why would the features I mention dumb down GT5. Infact its the reverse because its very serious busy on FM3 with the online racing teams competiting against each other. Infact if I compare online racing on GT5 & FM3 then im afraid the quality of the racers on FM3 are miles ahead. When GT5 was first released many of those dominating the seasonal time trials were actually Forza players who migrated across.

I don't mean to sound arrogant but you seem to think im some kid who doesn't know how to race. Let me tell you now that before I stopped playing GT5 I managed many top 10 positions on the seasonal time trials. I have over 1000 top 100 times on FM2/3. Currently No1/2 on many of the leaderboards on TDU 2 on the PS3. I had over 150 top 10 positions on GT5P before the boards were wiped.

This is why im annoyed at PD/Kaz because my enjoyment is testing myself against the world.
 
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You make an interesting point because for me part of the problem is the difference between Japan and western gaming. Appears to me the online aspect of video games isn't as important to Japanese gamers compared to say the US/Europe. When I think about it i've met many people from all over the world but I haven't noticed many online gamers from Japan.

This again only proves my point that Kaz/PD need to look at what western developers are doing. This is especially true considering many of the GTS gamers come from the W.

When gamers buy a COD game hardly anyone really bothers with the single player because its online where the action is. Infact I know some people who don't even bother playing the single player mode and jump straight online.
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you again make a brilliant point about west vs Japanese gaming, the west does a brilliant job of getting people online and having fun, my point is how would this addition to gt5 help? would we not just get a sudden influx of millions of users who enjoy the game ferociously for a month then drop it again ?
 
Bobalob
online tournaments sound good

so does an online auction house

but what your all telling me sounds like your bored of racing on gt5, which different way would you like to race?

I've raced online, mostly drifting but what's the problem? co-op driving? what's that? one does the gears? lol

your talking about online leagues and tournaments which gt5 is perfectly capable of now with some website framework for a league you could organise your own and have it up in a day.
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Co-op driving would be where your friend makes a pit stop and then you take over. This would of been an excellent feature especially for the endurance races and with 3 friends it would of been like real life.

Never really understood why co-op driving hasn't made an appearance on racing games to be honest. We have co-op play on FPS games so I don't understand why we don't have it on racing games.

As for racing online and I do enjoy this. However I find it frustrating when so many people don't know how to race. Unforuntately many have the wrong attitude of "fast in, slow out because they think its quicker. I normally only race online against friends.
 
II IVORBIGUN II
I don't mean to sound arrogant but you seem to think im some kid who doesn't know how to race. Let me tell you now that before I stopped playing GT5 I managed many top 10 positions on the seasonal time trials. I have over 1000 top 100 times on FM2/3. Currently No1/2 on many of the leaderboards on TDU 2. I had over 150 top 10 positions on GT5P before the boards were wiped.

This is why im annoyed at PD/Kaz because my enjoyment is testing myself against the world.
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I'm not calling anyones driving ability into question.

I can't comment on forza because I havnt played much but from what I have it's not upto gt5 standards just like gt5 isn't upto pc sim (lfs) standards.

simulation standard that is
 
Bobalob
you again make a brilliant point about west vs Japanese gaming, the west does a brilliant job of getting people online and having fun, my point is how would this addition to gt5 help? would we not just get a sudden influx of millions of users who enjoy the game ferociously for a month then drop it again ?
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Just check out that link I posted forza stats.com and see how having leaderboards greatly increases the gameplay. Check out the sheer number of online racing teams.

The forza stats.com website recieves its data from the leaderboards on FM3. Some clever person has created that site using this data.
 
II IVORBIGUN II
As for racing online and I do enjoy this. However I find it frustrating when so many people don't know how to race. Unforuntately many have the wrong attitude of "fast in, slow out because they think its quicker. I normally only race online against friends.
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you have summed up why gt5 online doesnt work.
 

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