Porsche Not in FM4 Confirmed (Originally Porsche may be in Forza 4. Check this out).

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If Porsche isnt in the game its Porsches fault if you think of it... why would they engadge on an exclusive contract??? Mercedes didnt, Audi didnt, Bmw didnt... and they may have cashed in a lot of money in the short term but I bet they lost more in the long term... and by now they must know that and probably wont do an exclusive again... so I think we still might see porsche in the game (DLC) after 2012 or 2013.
 
@cuco33 I know no one had definately said Porsche was or wasn't in FM4, however, when reading the first page it was looking like user Luminis was pretty much saying that the case was closed that Porsche was in the game and in my opinion was just a bit "cocky" with it by saying:

"So, where's the user that was so gleeful about Porsche supposedly not being in FM4 now? I'd love to rub it in a bit, you know..."

And I thought it was wrong at the moment when he didn't have clarification yet. That is all.

I am not looking to start an argument by the way Luminis, so if you think I am against you, I am not and apologize if it is coming accross that way.
 
VeyronGlen
I am not looking to start an argument by the way Luminis, so if you think I am against you, I am not and apologize if it is coming accross that way.
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Nah, don't worry. In fact, you're right, I was a bit cocky back there :lol:
That stuff got me pretty annoyed. Or rather, some people's attitude towards it.
 
Surprising the situation is as it is.

I do however appreciate T10 acknowleding the situation and reporting on it explaning why/what was involved but doing so in a diplomatic and sensible fashion. They should be commended for speaking up, well done. I guess even the contacts/money,power Microsoft has couldnt pull it off shows how serious EA are taking having the Porsche licensce. Will many more people buy Shift 2 now just to drive a Porsche, very doubtful EA?

They also show commitment to bringing the Porsche brand into the game at any given oppertunity. Regardless it may of made T10 more enticed to put as many other highed sports cars in the game and while we may loose on one hand we will gain on the other.
 
Playing hard-ball over licences will be the slow death of console racing games if the developers are not careful. They need to crack their heads together and realise that trying to damage each other's brands is damaging the genre as a whole.

I'm sick and tired of exclusive licensing agreements in gaming generally.

The consumer will be the loser in the end.
 
Not gonna lie, not having Porsche is going to hurt, and hurt bad for me. That's my car.

Ohhhh the memories in that Flying Lizard....







Even Porsche's brief glimpse on the ABC Wide World of Sports..



This license BS really is sucking the fun out of gaming. I was all set to compare GT5's Porsche to FM3's till I found out that wasn't happening now I wont even be able to compare FM4's to FM3's. Man it would be nice if Turn 10 got slick and put in a "Pre-mod" Ruff in the game. Stats being identical to Porsche except with a Ruff badge on it and a livery saying. "RECIEVED: NO MODS DONE: SEND TO STAGE ONE" on it ;) lol
 
Jamezinho
The consumer will be the loser in the end.
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Will be? Already are. Infact my purchase of the next consoles will be in question. Football (US version that is ;) ) is my number one sport. Madden is NOT an option. If it wasn't for this racing I'd see no need for me to purchase another console. Honestly. But if they're gonna start playing the license game hard and heavy in this genre also then what's the use. As much as I like playing other games I find them as a novelty. This is getting ridiculous for me.
 
t.o.
Will be? Already are.
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Exactly, but it's only going to get worse unless EA play nice. At the moment it's only Porsche, denied a place in Forza 4 and GT5, the two console games that can do the brand justice. If this kind of practice continues then how many more brands will be missing from future racing sims on consoles?

It will push more and more people towards PC gaming where licensing issues can be circumvented.
 
Bogie 19th
If you want to get technical, I would have to agree.
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Well, technically speaking, all parties are at fault.

  • Porsche for granting an exclusive deal to EA.
  • EA for not giving a sub-license to T10/MS.
  • MS for not throwing even more money/whatever at EA to get the license.
Since everything worked out so far despite the exclusive deal, I think it's hard to lay most of the blame on Porsche. Ten years ago when the deal was done, EA wasn't the same company it is today, too.

On MS's side, it's hard to argue either way. T10 made sure to not look bad in this, at the very least.

Then, there's EA. The sub-license deal worked out quite well so far, but as soon as they started the Shift series, it all went downhill. It might be coincidence or something that MS did that caused this whole situation. But I'm quite certain that EA is trying to create a favourable situation for its own Shift franchise - whether it's going to be continued or not.

Jamezinho
Exactly, but it's only going to get worse unless EA play nice. At the moment it's only Porsche, denied a place in Forza 4 and GT5, the two console games that can do the brand justice. If this kind of practice continues then how many more brands will be missing from future racing sims on consoles?

It will push more and more people towards PC gaming where licensing issues can be circumvented.
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While I agree with you that the current situation - for racing games - isn't looking perfectly nice, I don't think it's as dire as you're making it out here. So far, it's Porsche and Ferrari that are causing trouble. In Porsche's case, that's the exclusive deal they struck with EA years ago - given the whole uproar now, they might not want to renew tthe contract and everything would be well.

As for Ferrari, well, MS got a license and Sony got one, too, so the onlyy games that'll suffer from it are the multi-platform ones like NFS. And I really couldn't care less about those. Also, in Ferrari's case, I'm sure they've got some special deal to have some say in the matter. Just like their F1 cars, which are still licensed by Ferrari, not by the F1 Corporation, or however it's called.
 
jabofu
I am happy for you that you have it easier to mock the Forza franchise from now on.

Tell me what would happen, when Ferrari would have been take away from GT5, that would create even more riots.

The absence of Porsche doesnt mean that there are slots open for other cars. The Porsche cars were already in the early built, shown behind closed doors. The fact is that they have worked on those cars and this time was spent pointless, thanks to EA. There must have been Autovista versions and those have been created for nothing. In that time they could have worked on other cars, if they have knew it before.
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I'm utterly convinced that they knew from almost day one (FM3's release) that it would be hard for them to include Porsche in FM4. Therefore I severely doubt they would have worked on Porsche models for FM4.
 
Some interesting comments from Ian Bell (studio head of the last game from EA to include Ferrari)

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Ian, could you comment on the possible consequences of the Porsche licensing issue of FM4 (or cars licensing in general) for C.A.R.S.?
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Microsoft have a Ferrari exclusive, EA a Porsche one. I imagine that the cost involved in sublicensing the Ferrari license from Microsoft imposed on EA has seen then return the favour. Can't say I blame them.
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How did Ferrari cars appear in Shift1? Was it a result of the tie up with EA?
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Microsoft were paid and multiple hoops were jumped through. I can't go into details as it's NDA.

This is fairly hypocritical from Microsoft I have to say, knowing the facts.
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Talking about jumping through hoops, what's with the "no advertising bit" that previous Forza had to go through with their Porsche sub-license? Which was before the whole NFS Shift bit started, mind you. And there's always the PGR series, which was even prior to Forza.

Also, I think it's a given that EA would have to jump through some hoops. Even if MS could grant the license for the PS3 version, it's a bit much to ask them to give out a license to be used on their direct competitor's console. After all, NFS is a multi platform title.

But anyways, seeing the deal that were made with MS/T10 ffor previous Forzas, nobody at EA should be complaining about having to jump through hoops, or hipocrisy, for that matter.
 
Microsoft could step in to solve this situation. Each (EA & MS) has got a licence the other wants. Surely it's only logical to do a deal in the best interests of both companies?
 
Jamezinho
Microsoft could step in to solve this situation. Each (EA & MS) has got a licence the other wants. Surely it's only logical to do a deal in the best interests of both companies?
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I would imagine EA would want to use there part on all consoles. MS want it for one platform.

I can see the right and wrong for both sides.
 
What is sad is that T10 held a sub-license and did more with Porsche cars and the brand in their Forza games than EA did with any of their games, outside of the Porsche Unleashed game (been awhile but I don't recall the final car count of that one).

Also, I think because of Forza's growing popularity and success, EA now took a stance just as they have with GT in the past. I guess the competition got them shaking a bit. But hopefully come 2012 and this exclusivity is over.
 
Luminis
My point is FM4. You know, as in, the subforum we're in?
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Yes but what about it? You make it sound like RUF will be lumped together with cheap Korean cars just because those are in the game as well. But the fact of the matter is that RUF is considered the substitute for Porsche, not Hyundai. And for every time Porsche is not in a game and RUF is there instead, gamers are becoming used to RUF being the next best thing. Better than not being considered as worthy alternative at all, no?

Luminis
I've never said it's a bad idea, I've said that I doubt that it actually matter. I highly doubt that being shown off in Forza will increase RUF's sales. Most people who know what they're looking at probably have their mind made up as to what they want to buy, anyways (especially if it's Porsche vs. RUF). If people don't know the name RUF yet, do you honestly think that a 60$ video game is going to sway their decision as to whether they're going to buy a Porsche or a RUF?

Additional exposure is never a bad thing, but I doubt that it's going to have anywhere near the effect that you think it does. Same reason why you usually don't see much TV advertisement for Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg etc.: It's not needed to sell their cars. The customers that go for these cars know pretty well what they want and where to get it. If there was a lot of sales to be gained by added exposure, you can be sure you'd see more of the bigger luxury brands advertising like mad.
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Yeah but that's the thing though. If you don't think it's a bad idea, there's no point in arguing. Maybe if RUF paid to be in Forza 4, then we could discuss if RUF was getting their money's worth. But they either get free exposure, or Turn 10 actually paid them. It doesn't matter if RUF sell 1 spoiler or 100 new cars; if they get it without cost, there's nothing to lose out of it. I don't think Buggati expects to sell a Veyron for every Forza-purchase either, but they do get a stronger and more recognizable brand.

The reason why you don't see Bugatti and Ferrari advertising on TV and on billboards, is because it costs money. Many of the luxury manufacturers are small companies and don't have the same kind of resources that Toyota or Ford has. When there's money involved, you have to be a lot more careful where to spend it. If the car companies had to pay to be in Forza, the situation would probably look different.

The bottom line is that RUF only have to gain from Porsche not appearing in games. Whenever Porsche is out, RUF is usually in. Being the next best thing to that what everyone wants, but can't get, is probably a good thing in this case.
 
Whats the odds of them adding Gemballa?? The Mirage GT would be a nice replacement for the Carrera GT.

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I posted the idea on T10's twitter so maybe if they haven't got it yet they will add it as DLC later on.
 
zr1chris
Whats the odds of them adding Gemballa?? The Mirage GT would be a nice replacement for the Carrera GT.
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Yes hopefully they'll add more of these

RUF
Gemballa
Strosek
Tech art
9ff
Etc.............
 
Gemballa cannot license their vehicles; they are still Porsches. RUF is a manufacturer; Gemballa (TechArt, speedART, and all of the above companies) are tuners.
 

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