GT5's >MISSING< Tracks & Circuits [Moving on to GT6]

The Vanishing Boy
^ Actually according to the GT5P video, the Eiger isn't accessable by car. So PD did its magic by turing from a walking (hiking) path into a road/rally course.
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I was aware of that when I mentioned it in my previous post.
Really enjoyed that video from 5 Prologue :D
But what I meant was, the track was originally for rally cars only, there's no way you could drive a formula or GT car with the track on those conditions, well, you can, but it wouldn't be very comfortable, and maybe the manufactures wouldn't like it.

So it was redesigned to accommodate more types of cars.
I really like the track, what I don't like is the pits solution they came up with in GT5. I mean...that's a long way to go just for a pit stop! :boggled:

The Vanishing Boy
^ Sure PD (or otherwise T10) will find some loopholes to counteract some licensing on certain companies (ie. Tobacco & Liquor). One way to do it is either leaving it blank, or replace it with a relevant logo/product placement. Just look at Tsukuba (by the 2nd hairpin, PD/GT logos deleted on FM4) between FM4 and GT5 or even the Peugeot 908 (PS logos deleted on FM4).

-> But PD is more lienient to the matter (Konami logos on Fuji or Suzuka & Sammy logos at Fuji), unless someone reacts to it (Piazza Track).
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What was wrong with the Piazza Track? Did the pope complied or something?

The Konami logo was also in the Fuji 90's.
Removing the Konami logo was more of an updade to the track rather than licences issues, since now the Konami logo was replaced by SEGA in Fuji.

It's understandable if they removed alcohol and tobacco companies brands from the cars. Even if it makes the classic Delta look a bit ugly with that black stripe. :crazy: I haven't seen that Peugeot 908 in FM4, but the PS logos do make up most of the car color scheme, removing them should make the car less appealing...no? :dopey:

On a side note...GT2 had a clever way of dealing with sponsors. Have you noticed that the sponsor panels around some tracks change every time you enter? Sure they repeat in the same pattern, but you'll never see the same sponsor on the same place twice. :sly:

The Vanishing Boy
^ The problem lies with the 'authenticity crowd' sure, a percentage of people will be offended, but core gamers would like Imola to be included.

-> IF EVER the Polyphony F094/S AND Imola was featued in GT at the same time. Most likey the Imola that will be be featured in GT will be the most recent configuration and not the 1994-spec on when Senna was killed, since Imola was extensively redone after that incident.
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Touché monsieur! :sly:👍

The Vanishing Boy
^ PD did the same tactic way before GT3 while they were a peanut of a company.

-> Remember this car on GT1?

^ Sure its now called the Spoon Civic Type-R, but when GT1 was released it was called the Honda Civic (Type-R) RACER or Honda EK Civic Type-R in JDM-land.
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I DO remember! :dopey: Never actually thought of it that way before. Good point! 👍

The Vanishing Boy
^ I haven' popped my GT5 back in as of the moment, I will get back to you on that one so I can come up of a conclusion!
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Looking forward to that! :dopey:
BTW, I currently own every single retail version of the GT series (you know...GT/2/3/CONCEPT/4PROLOGUE/4/HD/5PROLOGUE/...and obviously 5) so if you need to double check some sort of theory or date, just let me know and I'll pop them back on right away!
Sadly I can't capture any fancy videos or screen-shots (if only!! :ouch::banghead::ouch:) But I will be more than happy to help you with any kind of information that you may need! :dopey:

Have a good day, and while you're at it, take a break! This is a massive amount of work just for one person. :sly:
 
-> Starting to get lazy...as I did some real life stuff and suprisingly invited into a birthday party, now stuffed with food. :indiff

Deko Wolf-GTPT
I was aware of that when I mentioned it in my previous post.
Really enjoyed that video from 5 Prologue :D
But what I meant was, the track was originally for rally cars only, there's no way you could drive a formula or GT car with the track on those conditions, well, you can, but it wouldn't be very comfortable, and maybe the manufactures wouldn't like it.
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^ That would be the Eiger Trail from GTHD Beta and the Eiger Path from GTHD. I also noticed based on my experience between GTHD and GT5P (note, this was way before GT5 was released), that Path (GTHD) was narrower, bumpier and sharper than Nordwand (GT5P/GT5). Thus making Path more fun to drift around compared to Nordwand. And I would imagine Trail would be a doppelgänger version of the Gunma/Gunsai Cycle Sports Complex from Best MOTORing/Hot Version. :)

Deko Wolf-GTPT
So it was redesigned to accommodate more types of cars.
I really like the track, what I don't like is the pits solution they came up with in GT5. I mean...that's a long way to go just for a pit stop! :boggled:
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^ Nordwand is I think in my opinion boring overall, especially after flogging Path for hundreds of miles during GTHD. And yes, I agree that the Pit Lane at Nordwand is pretty stupid (long). :indiff:

Deko Wolf-GTPT
What was wrong with the Piazza Track? Did the pope complained or something?
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^ Neither, it was those people who lived there. :indiff:

Italian city wants their city removed from Gran Turismo 5

Gran Turismo 5 legal dispute: Yamauchi responds

:grumpy:

Deko Wolf-GTPT
The Konami logo was also in the Fuji 90's.
Removing the Konami logo was more of an updade to the track rather than licences issues, since now the Konami logo was replaced by SEGA in Fuji.
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^ Sega and Sammy (developer) mind you. I also bet that even an XBox ad will remain if its etched on the track to preserve the authenticity. ;)

Deko Wolf-GTPT
It's understandable if they removed alcohol and tobacco companies brands from the cars. Even if it makes the classic Delta look a bit ugly with that black stripe. :crazy: I haven't seen that Peugeot 908 in FM4, but the PS logos do make up most of the car color scheme, removing them should make the car less appealing...no? :dopey:
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^ PD could've been more creative on blocking these sponsors. Like Ferrari did with their Marlboro barcodes up until recently. :indiff:

Deko Wolf-GTPT
On a side note...GT2 had a clever way of dealing with sponsors. Have you noticed that the sponsor panels around some tracks change every time you enter? Sure they repeat in the same pattern, but you'll never see the same sponsor on the same place twice. :sly:
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^ One of the reasons on why GT2 is epic, they're many unmentioned feature that everytime you play it is an easter egg hunt! :dopey:

Deko Wolf-GTPT
I DO remember! :dopey: Never actually thought of it that way before. Good point! 👍
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^ Each GT series has its own charm cars:

GT1 - Honda Civic Racer/Honda EK Civic [Spoon Civic] & Purple Dodge Copperhead

GT2 - Shelby Daytona Coupe & Tommy Kaira ZZII Concept

GT3 - Polyphony Digital F1 Cars

GT4 - Nike ONE

GT5 - Polyphony Karts & Red Bull X-Series

:dopey:

Deko Wolf-GTPT
Looking forward to that! :dopey:
BTW, I currently own every single retail version of the GT series (you know...GT/2/3/CONCEPT/4PROLOGUE/4/HD/5PROLOGUE/...and obviously 5) so if you need to double check some sort of theory or date, just let me know and I'll pop them back on right away!
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Deko Wolf-GTPT
Sadly I can't capture any fancy videos or screen-shots (if only!! :ouch::banghead::ouch:) But I will be more than happy to help you with any kind of information that you may need! :dopey:
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^ Neither do I! I take shots using my Canon Powershot directly to my TV! :indiff:

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Deko Wolf-GTPT
Have a good day, and while you're at it, take a break! This is a massive amount of work just for one person. :sly:
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^ You haven't seen my Vehicle Wish List yet huh!? This is peanuts compared to THAT!!! :scared:

:sly:👍
 
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I see Xenn hasn't put his videos back yet.

Also, what's up with those Arcade Mode Version tracks from GT1? The only significant difference I can see is that jump on Autumn Ring. I want that.
 
UPDATE w/ LONG POST -> Alrighty! Slept (very) late last night, but I've discovered some interesting facts about SSRX and DPRX. Read on for details. ;)

Deko Wolf-GTPT
I must point out one thing though. That super duper banked corner has warning signs on the top (and I'm not talking about the "end of cant"), you can't read them because you can only see the back, but it has the same texture and 3D model as the pit sings.
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^ I bet the 650m loop signs would be the same thing as the 'END OF CANT' signs on the 450m loop, since they're imposible to get a decent shot. Unless some hacker can work something out and do something wacky. 👍

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Deko Wolf-GTPT
Another thing, this might be silly, but I'd like to see what you think of it.
The original banked corner (that connects these sections), when driving normally, I noticed a big structure that covers the entire right side of the track. From when you leave the tunnel (satellite dishes), until you reach the pit area. This might be a service access road. ;)
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^ This would dissapoint a lot of people especially xx666Kriss666xx, heres what I've found out. I have to go extreme measures to capture these images:

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^ As you can see on these images over the wall, the whole thing is one big gigantic water resovoir! So sorry, no Driving Park facility here. :(

-> And while were on topic here, there is no way that Complex String will reside here because that track is too massive to be confined within these walls. ;)

Deko Wolf-GTPT
The start/finish area has in total 4 open lanes for roads, and other two, in total 6 lanes/tunnels all numbered. The last two (5 and 6) don't seam to have anything in it, which makes me think this area might have been an old docking bay for boats to perform repairs. Get what I mean? :)👍
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^ Lookie here:

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+ Lane 1 = Pit Lane
+ Lane 2 = Start/Finish Lane
+ Lane 3 = >Closed Lane<
+ Lane 4 = Service Area
+ Lane 5 = Service Area
+ Lane 6 = Service Area
+ Lane 7 = Service Area

^ So Lanes 4 thru 7 are for ships, nuff said. Lane 1 & 2 are the only funtional lanes for SSRX and DPRX, while Lane 3 is still a mystery since I don't see any purpose of it before the merge. :)

Deko Wolf-GTPT
Also, some of the roads don't even connect to anywhere, they just...end.:confused:
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^ You might be implying on airport side street right across the windmills. Other than that, most of the 'roads you're implying are just plain concrete outlays...

White & Nerdy
I see Xenn hasn't put his videos back yet.
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^ I know, he might've been busy. But its ok, he can take all the time, I'm already asked too much from him! :scared:

White & Nerdy
Also, what's up with those Arcade Mode Version tracks from GT1? The only significant difference I can see is that jump on Autumn Ring. I want that.
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^ If you watched the videos I've provided, its not just Autumn Ring that had these jumps. ;)

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Nice findings. I agree.

I just found something that blew my mind away!! :eek::eek::eek:
SO! There I was, playing old GT games just for some nostalgic moments. I pop in GT Concept, watch the intro (amazing stuff), when I start thinking to myself...

"hmm...that location looks like the Geneva Airport" A place that I have been to. But then, the car chases down the Airplane down a highway road over water....HANG ON! The Geneva Airport roads have no water. Not even close!
And the it kicked! That could be the Airport in SSRX! :dopey: :drool:

Well, it's a looong shot, but just the thought of it blew me away!! :dopey:
 
Sorry for not all the videos being uploaded as of yet, I've been busier than I thought. I'll try getting some more in tonight.
 
Griffith500
Hah, how strange; that road near the end could easily be a proto-SSR-X. Good find! 👍

EDIT: Does that mean we'll get a weather change version of Deep Forest? :P
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That is exactly what I meant. :dopey:
Also, that ariplane is later used as a background picture in GT4 photo travel menu. :sly:

That Deep Forest looks amazing. I guess they wanted to recreate a mountain public road, but because they didn't had anything like that yet, they just retouched Deep Forest and made it look all pretty for the Japanese intro. :drool:

Xenn
Sorry for not all the videos being uploaded as of yet, I've been busier than I thought. I'll try getting some more in tonight.
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Hey no worries. You already doing a great job. The longer it takes, the better it will look. 👍
 
It is not Deep Forest on the GTC closing video, although it somewhat resembles it.

To me it always looked like some generic twisty public road, nothing more. But WCDF would be damn glorious.
 
LONG REPLY MOST -> Ok, seems like Xenn uploaded some more videos! And after this post I will be editing the list and recounting everything.

Xenn
Sorry for not all the videos being uploaded as of yet, I've been busier than I thought. I'll try getting some more in tonight.
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^ After double-checking everything from your YouTube page, it seems like that you've already re-uploaded all of your videos!!! :dunce: :ouch:

-> In addition, you've added few 'never before seen' tracks! namely:

Tahiti Test (will be called: Smokey Mountain East)

[GT2 (demo)]

Tahiti Test Short (will be called: Tahiti Island)

[GT2 (demo)]

^ Plus I will add: Rome Short w/ day/night feature, & Super Speedway PARK. :boggled:

-> On that bombshell, time to get started! :mischievous:

Deko Wolf-GTPT
I just found something that blew my mind away!! :eek::eek::eek:
SO! There I was, playing old GT games just for some nostalgic moments. I pop in GT Concept, watch the intro (amazing stuff), when I start thinking to myself...
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diegorborges
Love those GT Concept Intros... they still give me goosebumps when watching...
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^ I've missed a lot of content from GTC since I've never owned any! :(

-> I've been asking the people who had the most Gran Turismo collection to help me out on regards to GTHD Beta and GT2 with SSR11, but so far no luck... :indiff: :(

Deko Wolf-GTPT
"hmm...that location looks like the Geneva Airport" A place that I have been to. But then, the car chases down the Airplane down a highway road over water....HANG ON! The Geneva Airport roads have no water. Not even close!
And the it kicked!

That could be the Airport in SSRX! :dopey: :drool:

Well, it's a looong shot, but just the thought of it blew me away!! :dopey:
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Griffith500
Hah, how strange; that road near the end could easily be a proto-SSR-X. Good find! 👍

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yeah the straight lit tunnel just didn't make me think of DFR - but the overhead looking down shows a track with a centre line.

Probably just a quick cobbled together track for the annimation
 
Ryk
yeah the straight lit tunnel just didn't make me think of DFR - but the overhead looking down shows a track with a centre line.

Probably just a quick cobbled together track for the annimation
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My initial thought was Trial Mountain, too. Having thought about it (better late than never), I remember these videos being heavily (over-) analysed back when the concept games were released... Naturally, it was decided that the track could not have been any existing one, although it is of course somewhat reminiscent of Deep Forest.


Still waiting for the promised "all [cars and] tracks from previous Gran Turismo" to appear; and yes, with weather and time change on all of them. Please. :)
 
Sorry for being off-topic, but...
The Vanishing Boy
^ PD could've been more creative on blocking these sponsors. Like Ferrari did with their Marlboro barcodes up until recently. :indiff:
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Maybe using the Polyphony Digital logo - as they do in the Alitalia logos in GT5 version of Stratos? 💡
 
ANOTHER LONG POST -> Alrighty! I extensively edited the OP. Edited many of Xenn's meisterwerke and shuffled the rest and of course the infamous Eiger Trail from GTHD Beta.

-> I also added some links of pics and vids on some missing tracks that were featured on the TGS '10 Red Bull trailer.

-> While I was editing the list, I was contemplating if the Top Gear Test Track weather change version should be included here.

Abraxas
Top Gear Test Track wet/time change

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Desc: Available in IB-1 license test. Wet track and different time of day. In replay tarmac is dry and sun is missing.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Pjwsc8Cs4
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-> Also with all this Bathurst thing going around, I took a peek at the Feedback page and found some startling list, I only took the top 10 missing tracks that were on that list:

3. Pikes Peak
5. Infineon Raceway (all variations)
7. Seattle Circuit (full course)
9. Mid-Field Raceway (The 1st & 2nd)
10. Test Course (all versions, '90s & '00s)
11. El Capitan
16. Apricot Hill
17. Special Stage Route 11 ('90s & '00s)
25. Costa di Amalfi
28. Red Rock Valley Speedway

^ Wow, I didn't even thought that Seattle would be THAT high on the list! :eek:

Griffith500
My initial thought was Trial Mountain, too. Having thought about it (better late than never), I remember these videos being heavily (over-) analysed back when the concept games were released... Naturally, it was decided that the track could not have been any existing one, although it is of course somewhat reminiscent of Deep Forest.
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Ryk
yeah the straight lit tunnel just didn't make me think of DFR - but the overhead looking down shows a track with a centre line.

Probably just a quick cobbled together track for the animation
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^ Yes, that track in GTC intro is a track made for the CG animation. I was disappointed after digging it up further. :(

Griffith500
Still waiting for the promised "all [cars and] tracks from previous Gran Turismo" to appear; and yes, with weather and time change on all of them. Please. :)
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^ Don't we all? :grumpy:

-> I have a feeling that it would be implemented on GT6 since the base archetecture of future GTs is GT5-based platform.

tankuroded
Sorry for being off-topic, but...

Maybe using the Polyphony Digital logo - as they do in the Alitalia logos in GT5 version of Stratos? 💡
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^ Like this one?

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BT -> Here are the stuff on my log:

My Log
- Xenn -

Circle 30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5hsMmU4Wvs #

Circle 80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_JCz_DUxg #

Dry Lake Desert Park = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh2XJRlF6mw #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aebx-psp6bg -x-

Fragmented License Test Track = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_XT_OSnzw #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAP2-vZbcQI -x-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ar6aMMo44 -x-

Grindelwald Arcade Version = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baZxEWXM1xU (1) #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nLQnaPsP8 (2)
http://www.youtube.com/user/SonicX55#p/u/13/UPLVjHkrSj0 -x-

INDIpendent Park = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgYlPrbn_CQ #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DnHk6__bdY -x-

Island Circuit = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uqvRYrzy5g #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7T4Zz6fuoA -x-

Laguna lake springs/dart test +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXL54VBFhM #

Lake Side = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzP3_dy8iE #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5WqAwt7tsI

Mid-Field test +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIOAY3yvDcE #

Monte Carlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUcWL6H8NyY

Palm/Plam Strip Experimental Speed Course = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hp_WNSkb0 #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUBj7LS6-Xo

Smokey Mountain West = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqJrBMwQK-E #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCcH8rjPOfw -x-

Tahiti Beach = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k-Xp_HFqAc (1) #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSgOyPNinIs (2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj0wEAUaUjY -x-

need to find out:

Rome Short [W]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvF9Om336wE #

Smokey Mountain East /Tahiti Test GT2D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyA1jzrI90 #

Tahiti Island / Tahiti Test Short GT2D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAYYwHnfRug #

Additional configuration:

Laguna Seca Reverse = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54mFUiInrR0 #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKA8mwSTFAw

Super Speedeay '90s Reverse = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHpqi2N2m5Q #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBhpAXwMKOY

Test Course '90s Reverse = +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDqPDwRrhsE #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QppNUGDwtT0

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Pending for DLC = 33 (32)
aphill
catrock1
catrock2
catrock3
vale
aria
ama
dpbegc
gymb
dpml
elcap - http://i.imgur.com/EBiIu.jpg / http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TyN-O3HiJ78#t=57s
g5p
gcft
gcmt
hkg
ia - http://i.imgur.com/C0yFr.jpg / http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TyN-O3HiJ78#t=78s
infsc
infscc
lvds
midf2
nyc
opa
pidc
seo
sspdw00
suzw
swiza
tahm00
motege
motegrc
motegss
motegw

Legend = 10 (10)
cs
grndl
midf1
pikes
rrvsw
rc90
romi
seafc
ssr1190
ssr1100

Altered = 20 + 1 (21)
autr90
csr590
dpc6090
dpc10090
gym1/16
gymm
gymr1
gymr2
dptc00
ep
et + Eiger Trail (GTHD Beta) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3l375TM8mc
gve90
gvs90
gvs00a
hsr90
smn
ssr590
sspdw90
tdr3
tahm90 ilTDv8JQzX4
dptc90

Killed = 26 (27)
autrav
chamls
dpr90av
dpbegt
dpc6000
dpc10000
dptc00
gfr
fuji80
fuji90
gve90av
gvs90av
infama
ltt
msl
pod
rosc90
seasc
smn
sms
suzb
suzwb
tahc
tahr
tmav
tskb
tskw

Vids = 3 (3)
mrp
mov
nrov

Hidden = 15 + 5 (20)
dpc30 +
dpc80 +
dp5050
dry
end
gcr
grndlav
indi
islnd
secar
lkspng = remane to lake springs
lake
midftc +
plam
sme +
smw
sspdw90r
tahb
Taht +
dptc90r

Total Missing = 113

Possible / variation= 19
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crss
cdr
ctaris
crta
crtb
dprx
gvrc
gvsc
ukr
nrl
ssc90dc
ssc90ndc
ssc00
tcw
246w
tcp
246e
ttriad
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^ Thanks again! :)
 
Good work with the thread although it make me sad to see all these awesome tracks and not have them in the game. If all these tracks plus all the cars taken out from previous GT's were added to the game, no words can descibe how awesome that would be. Probably not gonna happen but one can dream though
 
^ If ever PD can sort all of these out, then GT6 would be a far different game compared to GT5 in a much, much better driving sim. :drool:
 
-> I have a question to all >missing< tracks fans. :confused:

-> Should I add (YouTube) videos to >missing< tracks that are already altered in GT4 & GT5? So people can state the difference between 'similar' named tracks? :sly:

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SSR5 '90s @ GT3
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SSR5 '10s @ GT5
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dimangelogtp
Did someone post the red rock valley circuit ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfpE0Npyt5o
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^ I did! Long, long, long, long time ago. In fact Red Rock Valley Speedway was one of the first tracks I posted in the OP. ;)

OldF@rt
Incredible work - thanks TVB!!! :drool:
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^ Your very welcome my friend! :)👍
 
The Vanishing Boy
-> I have a question to all >missing< tracks fans. :confused:

-> Should I add (YouTube) videos to >missing< tracks that are already altered in GT4 & GT5? So people can state the difference between 'similar' named tracks? :sly:

SSR5 '90s @ GT1
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SSR5 '90s @ GT3
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SSR5 '90s @ GT4
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SSR5 '10s @ GT5
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Yes, that would help.
 
Wow what a great post. Imagine GT6 if it is not going to be for the PS4 but maybe for the PS3 and they announce that it will include all tracks of the previous GT series.

I´ll cry.
 
it isn't as bad as it sounds. There aren't 113 tracks missing in GT5 but rather 25.

First, those are 43 if you count every single one but removing altered, killed off, seen on videos (with the exception of the stelvio pass), hidden and possible variation tracks, since those shouldn't come back for obvious reasons.

Then you can also consider more factors and make it 29 or 30, which are counting the whole track as only one and not its variations (that's simply cheating), not considering circuits that were replaced by the brand new versions (not only some small layout changes) or replaced by the new and comparable versions, which happened for other reasons such as rebranding,

Finally, the list goes down to 25 missing tracks without considering those that only were included in games released before GT4. No one can reallistically be expecting an obscure gt2 track in gt6 really.

IMO this is the proper missing tracks list, tracks which therefore PD could and should consider adding in GT6 or in GT5 as DLC: apricot hill, cathedral rocks, valencia (like anyone likes that circuit irl, lol), citta di aria, amalfi coast, driving park (debatable but still), gymkhana blank, motorland, el capitan, george v paris, grand canyon, hong kong, ice arena, infineon, las vegas drag strip (debatable since it doesn't bring much to the table), mid field raceway the second, new york, opera paris, piazza del campo, seoul central, swiss alps, tahiti maze, twin ring motegi, seattle and the stelvio.

As a reference, gt5 has 45 tracks
 
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