Koenigsegg Agera R

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Denilson
Koenigseggs main target is NOT to be the fastest car in the world.. Why does everyone assume that's the case?

I'll trow in some data here..

0-300(kmh)-0 again in 17 seconds..
Bugatti Veyron: 0-300 in 17 seconds..

Only video I could find was this one.. It's 0-328-0 (kmh) in the 21's.. :scared:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WtlmpOKMG4">YouTube Link</a>

Koenigsegg Agera R looks pretty fast initally, and with 1140 bhp and a weight of 1430 kg, it will defenetly reach a pretty decent top speed.
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It doesn't matter if that's it's purpose or not. Koenigsegg is the one who continuously claims how fast the car is capable of going, but never bothers to legitimately prove their claims.

Their claims are about as true as that silly Bristol supercar or Hennessy as of right now.
 
McLaren
It doesn't matter if that's it's purpose or not. Koenigsegg is the one who continuously claims how fast the car is capable of going, but never bothers to legitimately prove their claims.

Their claims are about as true as that silly Bristol supercar or Hennessy as of right now.
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It's really not that hard to at least assume what speed it will reach.
Sure, it have'nt been proved, but on the other hand, where are they supposed to do that? At Nardo? :) Don't think so..

But looking at the Veyron, 1001 (1200 ss) hp and 2 tons (1,9 ss)
Looking at the Koenigsegg Agera R, 1140 hp and 1,4 tons

I know that powerbands and aero coficients are important as well, but I can't see where the Koenigsegg is short in any area.

So I agree that it's not proven.. But just looking at the numbers do tell a whole lot.

I'll try and find some powerband charts and aero fighures too add here. 👍

Edit: Ok, here we go.. It's the 2012 model. The 2013 is more powerful, but similar ofc in terms oc chassis and aerodynamics.


Technical Specifications AGERA R '12

Performance

Power output: 1115 hp at 6900 rpm - redline @ 7250 rpm
Torque: over 1000 Nm from 2700 to 6170 rpm
Max torque: 1200 Nm at 4100 rpm
Acceleration: 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) 2.9 seconds
0-200 km/h 7,5 sec, 0-200-0 km/h 12.7 sec
Braking distance: 30.5m (100-0 km/h)
Lateral g-force: 1.6 g
Fuel consumption: Highway travel: 12,5 l/100km, Combined: 14,7/100km
Weight-to-power ratio: 1.19 kg/hp (dry weight)
Weight distribution: 45% front, 55% rear
Emission levels: Euro V and lev 2

Aerodynamics

Cd. 0,33 to 0,37 with adaptable rear wings.
Frontal Area: 1.873 m2
Total Downforce at 250 km/h: 300 kg
Flat underside of chassis. Venturi tunnels at rear of chassis/body.

Dimensions

Total length: 4293 mm (169")
Total width: 1996 mm (78.6")
Total height: 1120 mm (44.1")
Ground clearance: Rear: 100 mm (3.94") Front: 100 mm (3.94")
Wheelbase: 2662 mm.
Front track: 1700 mm. Rear track: 1650 mm.
Front overhang: 885mm Rear overhang: 752mm
Fuel capacity: 80 litres
Luggage compartment: 120 litres (31.7 US gallons)
Dry weight: 1330 kg
Curb weight 1435 kg (all fluids plus 50% fuel)
Maximum laden weight: 1650 kg (full tank, two passengers, full luggage)

Engine

Koenigsegg aluminum 5,0L V8, 4 valves per cylinder, double overheadcamshafts
Compression: 9.0:1
Bore: 91.7 mm Stroke: 95.25 mm
Sequential, multipoint fuel injection.
Twin turbo superchargers
1.4 bar boost pressure.
Dry sump lubrication.
Carbon fibre intake manifold with optimised intake tracts.
Tig-welded ceramic coated inconel exhaust system manifold with merge collector.
Weight: 197 kg

Wheels

Koenigsegg forged Vortex generating aluminium wheels with centre locking
Front: 19" x 9.5"
Rear: 20" x 12.5"

Tyres

Dedicated Michelin Supersport
Unidirectional with asymmetric thread pattern
Front: 265/35 - 19" (Y)
Rear: 345/30 - 20" (Y)
Speed rating: 420+ km/h
 
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Denilson
It's really not that hard to at least assume what speed it will reach.
Sure, it have'nt been proved, but on the other hand, where are they supposed to do that? At Nardo? :) Don't think so..

But looking at the Veyron, 1001 (1200 ss) hp and 2 tons (1,9 ss)
Looking at the Koenigsegg Agera R, 1140 hp and 1,4 tons

I know that powerbands and aero coficients are important as well, but I can't see where the Koenigsegg is short in any area.

So I agree that it's not proven.. But just looking at the numbers do tell a whole lot.
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"Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash."

The numbers don't matter for things like that, if you're going to claim that you can break a world record, you'd best be able to prove it.
 
Denilson
But looking at the Veyron, 1001 (1200 ss) hp and 2 tons (1,9 ss)
Looking at the Koenigsegg Agera R, 1140 hp and 1,4 tons

I know that powerbands and aero coficients are important as well, but I can't see where the Koenigsegg is short in any area.
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They're not important as well, those things matter much more than weight, which actually hardly matters at all.

There are also issues of stability and durability. 1140 hp is more than enough to get a car to nearly 300 mph, but it's not close to enough to guarantee it. In fact, the Veyron with more power and a close CD couldn't get to 270 itself.
 
Zenith013
"Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash."

The numbers don't matter for things like that, if you're going to claim that you can break a world record, you'd best be able to prove it.
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Excuse me??

I clearly say "Assume"..
What I'm trying to say is that it's not unlikely to assume that the Koenigsegg Agera R - 2013 might beat the world record..

And even if it does'nt, it will not be far off.. That's defenetly something that we must agree on.

And about "proving it".. Koenigsegg won't go to Nardo just because some guys at GTP want to have it proven..
Buy it, and you'll find out for your self on your personal 5 mile (or which ever distance is required) runway.. ;)
 
Denilson
And about "proving it".. Koenigsegg won't go to Nardo just because some guys at GTP want to have it proven..
Buy it, and you'll find out for your self on your personal 5 mile (or which ever distance is required) runway.. ;)
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No, THEY should do it to prove their own claims. The scientific community expects the same when a claim is made. A background check is performed on someone to verify their claim to employment opportunity. Likewise, a financial institution or venture capitalist would investigate before writing a check for a loan.

So why wouldn't it be unreasonable to expect any manufacturer to prove any claim about it's product, especially one that posits itself as the World's Fastest? How else are you going to get people to put a deposit down on a car that serves little other earthly purpose, not least one from a company that's been on shaky ground in terms of its ability to pay the bills?

Other than that, good for them.
 
Relax, I'm referring to Koenigsegg with that quote.

SSC verified their record with Guinness on a Texas(?) highway. It's more than possible.

And they do need to prove it if they're going to claim so to the world, including car people, including GTP

"Hey dude, I can fly"

"Prove it"

"I don't need to prove it to no Internet guy."
 
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I don't get it, why all the hate for the Veyron? So it isn't a looker, most easy girls aren't lookers either, but it's automotive porn at it's finest. And duh, there will be cars faster than the Veyron, it's 7? years old now.

But I would bet my nuts on it, that a Veyron is far more durable than any other high speed contender.
 
Denilson
And about "proving it".. Koenigsegg won't go to Nardo just because some guys at GTP want to have it proven..
Buy it, and you'll find out for your self on your personal 5 mile (or which ever distance is required) runway.. ;)
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Then any claims towards its top speed performance are meaningless, regardless of what it could do hypothetically. Simple as.
 
Pupik
No, THEY should do it to prove their own claims. The scientific community expects the same when a claim is made. A background check is performed on someone to verify their claim to employment opportunity. Likewise, a financial institution or venture capitalist would investigate before writing a check for a loan.

So why wouldn't it be unreasonable to expect any manufacturer to prove any claim about it's product, especially one that posits itself as the World's Fastest? How else are you going to get people to put a deposit down on a car that serves little other earthly purpose, not least one from a company that's been on shaky ground in terms of its ability to pay the bills?

Other than that, good for them.
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You honestly think that the potential buyers of this car is as interested in it's top speed as the lot here at GTP?

You have to realize that a manufactor on this level don't need to proove things all the time.. Especially not because "the lot" want to see it.
They could'nt care less..

If the only goal was to be the fastest straigh line rocket made only for that purpose, I'd make sence to proove it ofc.. *cough* Ultimate Aero *cough*.. The Ultimate Aero would never sell even one car if it was not prooven it was the fastest car in the world.. But the Kenigseggs still sell.

The clientel separates a lot from eachother.
Koenigsegg is not solely about it's top speed.. If it was, you would'nt see them on the road.

The fact that the Koenigsegg Agera R goes from 0-322 (kmh)-0 as fast as the Veyron goes from 0-322 says a lot imo, and are at least somewhat a sign of what it's capable of.

It's not like I don't hear what you say.. But you sertainly don't hear me, that's for sure.


It's a lot like if you're a great MMA fighter.. You would'nt go out on the streets and brag about it.. However, if someone asked the fighter "Are you that good", and the fighter says "yes"..
Ask the fighter again: "Proove it"..
Fighter: "Why?"
Say: "Because you just said you'er that good.. Now you have to proove it.."

No, he don't need to. Only the weak need to show off.. imo the Ultimate Aero fits in to that description quite well.


It's called "Integrity"
 
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Denilson
If the only goal was to be the fastest straigh line rocket made only for that purpose, I'd make sence to proove it ofc.. *cough* Ultimate Aero *cough*.. The Ultimate Aero would never sell even one car if it was not prooven it was the fastest car in the world.. But the Kenigseggs still sell.
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Wrong. SSC didn't break the record until September 2007. By that point, over a dozen TT Aeros had already been built & sold. Actually, since 24 were built by the end of 2007, I'd say at least 17-20 had been sold before the record was accomplished towards the end of the year.
 
I'm not entirely sure why 'Egg gets the benefit of the doubt but SSC doesn't. What, exactly, is the difference between the two companies that makes it so the latter has to justify their performance claims but the former doesn't?


Is it because they crashed one of the former on Top Gear and they only made fun of the latter?


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Denilson
If the only goal was to be the fastest straigh line rocket made only for that purpose, I'd make sence to proove it ofc
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Denilson
The fact that the Koenigsegg Agera R goes from 0-322 (kmh)-0 as fast as the Veyron goes from 0-322 says a lot imo
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Denilson
You honestly think that the potential buyers of this car is as interested in it's top speed as the lot here at GTP?

You have to realize that a manufactor on this level don't need to proove things all the time.. Especially not because "the lot" want to see it.
They could'nt care less..
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Irrelevant. This is about making a claim and proving it, not who the potential buyers may be.

Oh and yes, Koenigsegg does need to prove things like this. If they said the car could do 150mph I wouldn't need to ask for proof. If they said 200mph, I still wouldn't ask.

Koenigsegg didn't though, they said that the car they created is a world beater. It doesn't matter if the focus of the car is not to be the fastest. It would need to prove it even if it was designed to be a camper van.

It doesn't matter who you are; if tell people you can break a record, you must prove it.

Denilson
The fact that the Koenigsegg Agera R goes from 0-322 (kmh)-0 as fast as the Veyron goes from 0-322 says a lot imo, and are at least somewhat a sign of what it's capable of.
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A sign of what it's capable of. Nobody will be hugely surprised if it did break the record. That doesn't mean that you can treat it like it has.

Denilson
It's not like I don't hear what you say.. But you sertainly don't hear me, that's for sure.
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We hear you just fine. You're still wrong.

Denilson
It's a lot like if you're a great MMA fighter.. You would'nt go out on the streets and brag about it.. However, if someone asked the fighter "Are you that good", and the fighter says "yes"..
Ask the fighter again: "Proove it"..
Fighter: "Why?"
Say: "Because you just said you'er that good.. Now you have to proove it.."

No, he don't need to. Only the weak need to show off.. imo the Ultimate Aero fits in to that description quite well.
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Your metaphor is incorrect.

The car hasn't proven itself to be the World's Greatest MMA fighter yet. For one to be called "The World's Greatest Fighter", one must prove it by demonstration. This could mean defeating every fighter in the world or, in this case, driving at the speed you claim.

It's called "Integrity"
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Try "delusion."
 
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Denilson
The fact that the Koenigsegg Agera R goes from 0-322 (kmh)-0 as fast as the Veyron goes from 0-322 says a lot imo, and are at least somewhat a sign of what it's capable of.
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That's doesn't say much about top speed by itself, the Agera is lighter, so it should accelerate better.
 
Does this mean its proven? http://www.koenigsegg.com/models/agera-r/
2013 AGERA R

The 2013 Agera R is the result of Koenigseggs endless persuit for perfection.

The 2013 model features new Aircore hollow carbon fiber wheels, uprated power and enhanced aerodynamics. The Agera R has an incredible top speed of approximately 440 km/h (273 mph).

Recent Records for the Agera R: 0-300 km/h in 14.53 sec, 300-0 km/h in 6.66 sec, 0-200 mph in 17.68 sec, 200-0 mph in 7.28 sec.

The Agera R is the only roadster Hypercar with a detachable and stowable hardtop, bringing the best of two worlds. This in combination with 120 litres of luggage space, truly combine extreme performance with everyday usability.

The Agera is available in left or right hand drive.
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From their website themselves. But they say approximately? So maybe they still must prove it?
 
Koenigsegg Agera R Hits 250MPH On The Nürburgring
A 1,200-horsepower Koenigsegg Agera R topped out at 249.54 mph (401.6 kph) on the main straight of the Nürburgring Nordschleife at yesterday's Gran Turismo Nurburgring supercar meet-up.
The driver, Norwegian Bård Eker, isn't even a factory test driver. He is a regular Koenigsegg owner, simply driving flat out on the nearly one-and-a-half-mile-long Döttinger-Höhe straight. He described the run, saying,
No problems with stability under extreme speeds. The tarmac was a little bumpy while braking so It was quite exciting before the left turn.
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http://jalopnik.com/5899883/koenigsegg-agera-r-hits-250-mph-on-the-nurburgring


:embarrassed:
 
That man's balls must have their own gravitational pull.

EDIT: He could have done 260 had his balls not been weighing the car down.
 
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haha, two previous coments are pure gold. And yes, they must clang when he walks around. Amazing for the car, too.
 
Dennisch
I don't get it, why all the hate for the Veyron?
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I personally despise it due in part to it looking like the head of a cyborg pig but mainly because of all the incessant undeserved hype about a car that's impressive on paper and then that's as far as it goes. The Bugatti Cyberpig requires several miles of the most optimal roadway that you can find on the planet just to reach its top speed, meaning you couldn't realistically hit it on any road or highway or even any racetrack (laps around Daytona just won't cut it) so it's a top speed that's essentially worthless.

Top speed is also about the only thing it can do, once you've given it time to get there, since it handles like a van. "Okay, but it's really fast for a two-ton van!" That's fine if it was supposed to just be a people-carrier, but it's a supercar, and relative to other supercars it handles like a sack of bricks. It's impressive if you're running it against minivans, but if you lap a race track next to proper supercars the illusion of impressiveness is shattered.

The Cyberpig has a 8.0-liter W16 engine with four turbochargers and just got in the 1000-horsepower range (a bit under for the regular Veyron and a bit more for the Super Sport). Ferrari's FXX Evoluzione gets 850 horsepower from a 6.3-liter V12 with no turbos. One would kind of figure that with greater displacement and four friggin' turbos that the Veyron should be capable of more power since the FXX Evoluzione gets more power per liter with no turbos than the Veyron does with turbos. A friend's dad modified a Mustang for a few thousand bucks and it gets 900 horsepower from a 401 in³ (about 6.57 liters) engine and he's just a backyard tinkerer.

I wouldn't hate the thing so hardcore if people didn't worship it so passionately.
 
I don't see how anyone can take your opinion seriously when you call it a "cyborg pig". And your comments about the handling? Laughable.

And comparing the power output compared to the FXX Evo? Really? That's amazing since you didn't even take the weight of both cars into consideration, let alone the purpose.

You can't stand the worshippers yet you seem to know next to nothing yourself. :rolleyes:
 
IceMan PJN
I wouldn't hate the thing so hardcore if people didn't worship it so passionately.
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And your opinion would be so much more valid if you knew in the slightest what you were talking about.



Think about this for a second: You wrote an entire paragraph saying the Veyron sucked because of it's Hp/L. The most useless thing in the history of statistics. And you didn't even do it because the car is sub-100, like most do when they talk stupid crap about American cars. You did it because the Veyron has a Hp/L rating of 125. Give me a break.
 
IceMan PJN
The Bugatti Cyberpig requires several miles of the most optimal roadway that you can find on the planet just to reach its top speed, meaning you couldn't realistically hit it on any road or highway or even any racetrack (laps around Daytona just won't cut it) so it's a top speed that's essentially worthless.
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It takes several miles just to hit its top speed which so happens to be the highest of any production car in history? :crazy:

IceMan PJN
The Cyberpig has a 8.0-liter W16 engine with four turbochargers and just got in the 1000-horsepower range (a bit under for the regular Veyron and a bit more for the Super Sport). Ferrari's FXX Evoluzione gets 850 horsepower from a 6.3-liter V12 with no turbos. One would kind of figure that with greater displacement and four friggin' turbos that the Veyron should be capable of more power since the FXX Evoluzione gets more power per liter with no turbos than the Veyron does with turbos. A friend's dad modified a Mustang for a few thousand bucks and it gets 900 horsepower from a 401 in³ (about 6.57 liters) engine and he's just a backyard tinkerer.
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A Toronado said, Hp/L is absolutely useless measurement.

To compare a Bugatti Veyron engine to the FXX engine or even your dad's friend's Mustang engine is ludicrous.

Your dad's friend's engine is simply incapable of anywhere near the same kinds of use that the Veyron's is. You cannot compare the engines.

Do you get all your information from Jeremy Clarkson or something?
 
Doesn't 8.0 liters and 4 turbos equate to a rich torque curve and generally better 'reliability' since the specific output 'seems' so low?

Anyways, the Veyron to me is more of a luxurious well rounder that rich people can tootle around town in. Sorta like a super-speed rival to a SL/CL65, Conti GT, FF or even an Aventador. Thus I can respect that.

The Koenigsegg is pretty darn impressive too though. An alternative way to achieve stupid speeds with a much more 'raw' feel. I don't see why people anywhere have to bash either.

The fact that it's Swedish too also makes it hilariously awesome.
 
1241Penguin
Rumor &#8800; What it can really do
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Seconded, I think with that level of power, and being that light, it certainly has a shot, and I for one love the Veyron and the SS version, but progress is progress, so if the new Koneggseg (can't spell it) is faster so be it, but until then, we'll just have to wait and see (wonder if Volkswagen will rent their testing track to them?).

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McLaren
I don't see how anyone can take your opinion seriously when you call it a "cyborg pig". And your comments about the handling? Laughable.

And comparing the power output compared to the FXX Evo? Really? That's amazing since you didn't even take the weight of both cars into consideration, let alone the purpose.

You can't stand the worshippers yet you seem to know next to nothing yourself. :rolleyes:
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100x 👍 was going to say 1000, but I think that'd be exaggerating, 100 is a realistic amount - he got pwned.
 

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