Flashing Red Lights of Death

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GTP_Royalton
Sony has a big problem on their hands here

Recently my PS3 refuses to start up. I push the power button, everything is fine for a second, then the power button turns yellow for a split second, it beeps, it turns off, then it starts to flash red.

It is not an overheating problem because the PS3 is not hot.

I'm googling this and I'm finding a TON of people with the same problems. I'm seeing problems with PS3s within the first month after launch

I've read several fixes, but they don't work for me

I know GTP member OrangeR is having the same problem.

We thought it was our HDD but he tested his and it's fine.

I've heard it may be the PSU. This may be the case, because when it first started acting up and cutting off I couldn't turn it on with the SIXAXIS. Also the cooling fan stopped going at full blast.

It seems this is a major problem with the PS3
 
Every once in a while I can't start my PS3 with the sixaxis either, but if I connect the USB cable and hit the PS button, problem solved.

Obviously this is not your issue, but I thought it might help someone.

Fingers crossed it doesn't happen to anyone else and best of luck in figuring out and remedying the problem.
 
A "ton" huh?

I shouldn't really expect more from someone who 'googles' to investigate.

It's not a big problem. It seems you have done a little research, put on your white lab coat, and come to the conclusion that it's a huge issue.

I can state, from experience, that the large majority of people who encounter this problem are individuals who do a lot of Folding. I can vouch, my system died from the same problem, but I was folding for days at a time.

That being said, you're unfortunate, but it's not a huge problem.
 
Jeremy Ricci
A "ton" huh?

I shouldn't really expect more from someone who 'googles' to investigate.

It's not a big problem. It seems you have done a little research, put on your white lab coat, and come to the conclusion that it's a huge issue.

I can state, from experience, that the large majority of people who encounter this problem are individuals who do a lot of Folding. I can vouch, my system died from the same problem, but I was folding for days at a time.

That being said, you're unfortunate, but it's not a huge problem.
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Yeah Im pretty sure a ton is an exaggeration.
 
ok i cant remember but i belive that the light is indicating a hardware malfunction meaning something on the insode somehow got damaged and if something gets damaged the PS3 wont run at all do to its high security and will just flash those lights. im afraid your only option would be sending it in to sony to have it repaired. i dont know how one of the chips was damaged but it might be from over heating or some mistreatment (not saying your mistreating yours so dont freak out on me)
 
Whoa...seriously? HUGE problem? I have never heard of this "error code" until this thread. We better let the internet know that thousands of PS3s are failing...



Just for the record (and I know it means nothing), my week 2 PS3 has done more Folding than anybody here I'm pretty sure. I haven't had any issues that weren't game/network related.
 
I think this signals a hardware malfunction, something has fallen off inside! and im afraid you will need to call Sony, if its new they will have no problem in replacing it for you...

I have never heard of the PS3 light going Yellow, I thought it only did red and green..... interesting...

Robin
 
My first PS3 did this straight out of the box so i took it back to the place i got it from and they replaced it the same day. Them sending it back to sony while i played with my replacement FTW :)

What is folding?
 
This is not a "big problem" for Sony, because their failure rates for PS3 are still within industry standard of 2 - 3%. Of course you have seen a load of people on google with this problem.

If the PS3 has sold 5,000,000 (just using this figure as an example) and 2% of them have this problem, then that means 100,000 people will have this problem!

Its still within industry standard, unlike the XBOX 360 RRoD which some retailers in America (EB Games for one) were suggesting had about 33% failure rates!

33% IS a problem, 2 - 3% is standard for ALL consumer electronics. You got unlucky....thats about it.

Robin.
I think this signals a hardware malfunction, something has fallen off inside!

I have never heard of the PS3 light going Yellow, I thought it only did red and green..... interesting...

Robin
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I HIGHLY doubt that! Things that are soldered on dont just "fall off", the worst that can happen is the solder becomes soft and then the connections become a bit dodgy, but they dont fall off!

A 12w soldering iron reaches temperatures of 396 Celcius to melt solder! If your PS3 got that got, then the whole thing would melt!!

It is a hardware error, thats for sure, but dont go about saying stuff has fallen off inside the console when thats pretty much impossible!

Also the ROHS (Restriction Of Hazardous Substances) compliant solder they use is lead free, which means it requires higher temperatures than leaded (non-ROHS compliant) solder to melt.

As for the yellow light, that is what indicates a hardware malfunction. The reason its yellow, and not red is probably (this is just my assumption) because the red light shows the console is off, and the green light shows its on, so they needed a 3rd colour (yellow) to indicate hardware failure.

ken2903
What is folding?
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Folding@Home

http://folding.stanford.edu/
 
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H3rmaN
I HIGHLY doubt that! Things that are soldered on dont just "fall off", the worst that can happen is the solder becomes soft and then the connections become a bit dodgy, but they dont fall off!
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Yeah thanks for the science babble but there are plenty of components which are not hard wired (soldered) to the PS3..... the memory card slots, blu ray drive, HDD sata cable and fan just to name a few are all NOT soldered to the PS3... any of this plugs could have dislodged during manufacture or transport leading to hardware failure... so it is highly likely!

Robin
 
Jeremi Ricci, Eric, and whoever else put on your thick rimmed bifocals and read over my post again

Earth
It seems this is a major problem with the PS3
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That's better.

However widespread this problem is doesn't matter to the guys who get a PS3 like this straight out of the box or less then 2 years later. These problems are random due to hardware defects.

I think its jacked up people come into this thread saying "It's not a big problem" when it's happened to them or they never heard of it. Sorry, my PS3 is 18 months old and is not under warrarnty. And how many of you paid $650 for your PS3 like me? I'd expect a product that cost $650 to last longer then 18 months.

Sorry, but money doesn't grow on trees for me. I can't just go pluck $150 off some branches and send it Sony's way. And why should I have to? I took good care of my PS3. I didn't run that dog gone Folding at Home because I knew the toll it took on the PS3.

After more looking around on the internet I found this guy. He thinks alot of the original PS3s made between November and December have this deffect. His lasted 13 months, mine 18.

From youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmLlvRtpHrA

I bought my PS3 January 1, 2007

Here we have the Sony Playstation 3 60GB model, a $600 investment, dead after 13 months. After spending over an hour on the phone with Sony's tech support, I was told that there is nothing they can do, even though my warranty expired just one month ago. My only option is to pay $150 for a refurbished model, which will only be covered for 90 days. I then talked to a manager, and asked him about Sony's warranty being extended to February 29th, 2008. He said this is true, although it only covers the 20GB and 60GB models purchased in November and December of 2006. My 60 GB Playstation 3 was purchased on January 3 2007, 3 days after December. Sony will not replace my Playstation 3, despite the problem being completely random and due to hardware defects.

Thanks Sony

Sony has extended the warranties on the 20GB and 60GB models purchased in November and December of 2006. This leads me to believe that this particular batch is known to be defective. From online research, the yellow light problem seems to have been reported with the 20 GB and 60 GB models only, both of which were discontinued. My 60GB model was purchased on Jan. 3rd, 2007, although it was manufactured in December of 2006. I believe this system was manufactured in the defective batch that is supposed to receive the extended warranty, although my system does not qualify because it sat on the store self until January 3rd.
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Wow Sony, extending the warranty 1 measly month for what they know are defective PS3s?

Oh and if your a Sony sympathizer going to come in here to just talk smack GTH out of my thread. I'm ticked off right now don't need trash talk
 
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Robin.
Yeah thanks for the science babble but there are plenty of components which are not hard wired (soldered) to the PS3..... the memory card slots, blu ray drive, HDD sata cable and fan just to name a few are all NOT soldered to the PS3... any of this plugs could have dislodged during manufacture or transport leading to hardware failure... so it is highly likely!

Robin
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A loose HDD connection will bring up a HDD error on screen (happened to my mates when his HDD died), Blu-Ray drive would simply stop working and not stop the console from loading or giving an error code, bad fan connections would cause it to overheat which the OP says it is not!

Yet again, you are posting incorrect information. 99.99% of all your "theories" are incorrect. TBH arguing with you is getting old.

I was just correcting your mis-leading information, but yet again you seem to think you know it all. Reply if you like, I'll just ignore it, I have better things to do than prove you wrong.
 
H3rmaN
I have better things to do than prove you wrong.
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Really! .... You wouldnt have known it seeing as its always my posts you jump on.... dont see anyone else moaning.

Plus there are many other plugged in components aswell as hundreds of screws inside the machine which could easily come loose causing a short circuit or a wider range of other errors which would cause a full system error.

Robin
 
I've ran into issues with Sony's warranties before as well, just not on the PS3. My camera's image sensor went out and despite being on recall for almost a year I never received anything in the mail (yes the product was registered). When I called Sony's "lovely" tech support line they informed me that the recall had finished the month before and would not extend it to fix my camera. They wanted $130 to fix it plus I had to pay the shipping, it was actually cheaper for me to buy a used camera off of eBay.

We've had even more problems at work with Sony things failing and they not being fixed by Sony because they are just over the warranty time frame. I have nothing against Sony products and I own quite a few of them, but their customer service is terrible. I have many other electronic products that have failed just out of warranty and the customer support tech has just bumped my warranty up a month so I could send it in and get it fixed. That's the way you keep customers coming back to your products.

As I've said I have nothing against Sony products and I don't think they are unreliable, it's just when I buy one now I always get the service plan through Best Buy which is good for 2 years since if a Sony is going to break it has a tendency to do so as soon as the warranty is up.
 
Robin.
Plus there are many other plugged in components aswell as hundreds of screws inside the machine which could easily come loose causing a short circuit or a wider range of other errors which would cause a full system error.
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Highly unlikely. Now lets leave this subject and move on with our lives, shall we?
 
Joey D
I've ran into issues with Sony's warranties before as well, just not on the PS3. My camera's image sensor went out and despite being on recall for almost a year I never received anything in the mail (yes the product was registered). When I called Sony's "lovely" tech support line they informed me that the recall had finished the month before and would not extend it to fix my camera. They wanted $130 to fix it plus I had to pay the shipping, it was actually cheaper for me to buy a used camera off of eBay.

We've had even more problems at work with Sony things failing and they not being fixed by Sony because they are just over the warranty time frame. I have nothing against Sony products and I own quite a few of them, but their customer service is terrible. I have many other electronic products that have failed just out of warranty and the customer support tech has just bumped my warranty up a month so I could send it in and get it fixed. That's the way you keep customers coming back to your products.

As I've said I have nothing against Sony products and I don't think they are unreliable, it's just when I buy one now I always get the service plan through Best Buy which is good for 2 years since if a Sony is going to break it has a tendency to do so as soon as the warranty is up.
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Ive never had any first hand experience with Sony service (nothing of thiers I own has ever broken) but I have heard it can be patchy in places, the UK seems to have quite reasonable service. I think the general view that I get of Sony is that thier stuff is high quality and rarely breaks but when it does its almost like they are stunned and quite shocked as to how to deal with it! :lol:

Robin
 
Also never had a problem with sony products, still if a product breaks when its not even 2/3 years old is just bad.

Read the comments by the youtube video and one comment from the u.k.:

kungfuruss (18 hours ago)

I had my PS3 die on me today. It behaved exactly as yours does here. I bought it (UK) March 2007. I called Sony, and even though I'm out of warranty (Aug 08 now), they said they will replace it. Sounds like a known problem.
 
F1KimiFreak
Also never had a problem with sony products, still if a product breaks when its not even 2/3 years old is just bad.

Read the comments by the youtube video and one comment from the u.k.:

kungfuruss (18 hours ago)

I had my PS3 die on me today. It behaved exactly as yours does here. I bought it (UK) March 2007. I called Sony, and even though I'm out of warranty (Aug 08 now), they said they will replace it. Sounds like a known problem.
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For me the SIXAXIS is the worst Sony controller ever in terms of quality. The one that shipped with the PS3 eventually got to the point where the left analogue stick would act as if stuck slightly to the left even though the stick was centered. With my new SIXAXIS the left analogue stick is getting physically stuck in certain directions, but just slightly.

I never had a problem with the original PS controller, or the dual shock 2. The new SIXAXIS is poor build quality if you ask me.

I'll call customer service again and I'll get on to them. The chump I talked to last time seemed clueless to me and ready to go home.

But they may not take my PS3 anyways, I already tore off the warranty sticker and took it apart. Because of that they may refuse to fix it for free.

I'm just so sick of the crap that goes on in this world. They know good and well alot of the first PS3s have had hardware failures that were NOT the fault of the user but when you call them they play stupid. Or least the person I talked to. Or they extend the warranty by 1 measly month. Wow

I'll most likely end up paying $150 to have them fix it, but as I'm sure everyone can see or even has felt (JoeyD) similiar outrage from this rediculous customer service.

Edit: you know its funny on the phone I asked if would receive the same PS3 back or if they would try to give me another they ensured me I would get the same PS3 back. To me that proves they know exactly what they problem is yet they still want me to pay $150 for their defect
 
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Edit: you know its funny on the phone I asked if would receive the same PS3 back or if they would try to give me another they ensured me I would get the same PS3 back. To me that proves they know exactly what they problem is yet they still want me to pay $150 for their defect
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How does that prove they know what the problem is in any way?
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Earth
Jeremi Ricci, Eric, and whoever else put on your thick rimmed bifocals and read over my post again



That's better.

However widespread this problem is doesn't matter to the guys who get a PS3 like this straight out of the box or less then 2 years later. These problems are random due to hardware defects.

I think its jacked up people come into this thread saying "It's not a big problem" when it's happened to them or they never heard of it. Sorry, my PS3 is 18 months old and is not under warrarnty. And how many of you paid $650 for your PS3 like me? I'd expect a product that cost $650 to last longer then 18 months.

Sorry, but money doesn't grow on trees for me. I can't just go pluck $150 off some branches and send it Sony's way. And why should I have to? I took good care of my PS3. I didn't run that dog gone Folding at Home because I knew the toll it took on the PS3.

After more looking around on the internet I found this guy. He thinks alot of the original PS3s made between November and December have this deffect. His lasted 13 months, mine 18.

From youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmLlvRtpHrA

I bought my PS3 January 1, 2007



Wow Sony, extending the warranty 1 measly month for what they know are defective PS3s?

Oh and if your a Sony sympathizer going to come in here to just talk smack GTH out of my thread. I'm ticked off right now don't need trash talk
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They who bought a $600 PS3 and didn't get an extended warranty is the guy we all point and laugh at.

Lessons learned I suppose. I got mine replaced for free, also I bought mine launch day with quite a few games, and bought nearly everything on the PS Store (as well as a dozen Blu-Ray movies).

But everyone, keep on posting your anecdotal evidence! We love to hear your stories of why x company's service is "terrible" (when judging by your posts, it's pretty likely you were an ass about your broken product).
 
Jeremy Ricci
They who bought a $600 PS3 and didn't get an extended warranty is the guy we all point and laugh at.

Lessons learned I suppose. I got mine replaced for free, also I bought mine launch day with quite a few games, and bought nearly everything on the PS Store (as well as a dozen Blu-Ray movies).

But everyone, keep on posting your anecdotal evidence! We love to hear your stories of why x company's service is "terrible" (when judging by your posts, it's pretty likely you were an ass about your broken product).
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Do you really have to start that again? :rolleyes:

I would be polite to customer service people if they actually were polite to me, I paid a lot of money for the product, I expect it to work and when it doesn't I expect good service. I have dealt with Sony's tech support on numerous occasions, all of them less then ideal. I find Sony's customers service to be some of the worse in the business with only Comcast beating them out and Microsoft at a close third.
 
Like I said, it's anecdotal.

I understand that the people working there don't know me, deal with hundreds of angry people a day (like you) and are irritated.

When my PS2 broke 3 months after the warranty ran out, I got it replaced free. I was 17. Being kind, courteous, and friendly will get you much further than thinking it's your god given right to demand amazing service on a gold platter.
 
Hi, as Earth said in his first post. I'm the other member who's PS3 went bricked, It is too a 60GB model I did the 2.42 firware update and it started to do rare things, like turn itself off in the middle of online races on GT5p, I just did the obvious thing to switch the back power off then on and it started up again no problem. It did this to me 2 or 3 times, but only while playing the DL edition of GT5p, I played MGS4 for hours (4-5) and no problem.
The thing is that after updating GT5p August 1st, it did the same one more time. But this time, it will not start again, the Led is Green, yellow, 3 beeps, red, blinking red. What is strange is that Earth and me have the 60GB model—which I paid 900 dlls because I live in Mexico and I get robbed just for so, made the firmware update, the GT5p update and had the same problem at the same time (1 day difference) I thought the problem was HDD related, but I tested the HDD, formatted it and it is fine.

I know many will think that we are just trying to give the PS3 a bad name or something, but do you really think that I would spend 900 dlls on a system wait from March 2007 until August 2008 to do so? I LOVE my PS3 and on top of that I LOVE my GT. It is my pride and joy. Now how would anybody feel if suddenly this pride and joy failed in that way.

I really don't want to talk about how Sony Mexico treats his 60GB and 20GB costumers because, it's degrading and shameful. I'll take this matter to the Federal Consumer Agency in my country to take carts on that. :grumpy:

Long story short, I'll have to spend more money if I ever want to have my PS3 back and get my hands around my wheel and hear that pretty lounge music once again. :indiff:
 
Earth
I already tore off the warranty sticker and took it apart. Because of that they may refuse to fix it for free.

I'm just so sick of the crap that goes on in this world. They know good and well alot of the first PS3s have had hardware failures that were NOT the fault of the user but when you call them they play stupid.
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What was that you were saying about reading? Have you ever owned any other electronic device? Read a contract? Read an owner's manual?
 
Wow, alot of people showing how big of a jerk they really are in this thread.

Is your life really that miserable?

Welcome to my ignore list

Duke
How does that prove they know what the problem is in any way?
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Wow, you aren't bashing me but instead you're asking for clarification? That has to be a miracle.

I have heard that Sony and Microsoft have been known to swap out faulty systems with an entirely new system. Also the 60GB has been out of production for a long time. How many of them they have laying around I don't know. I made sure when talking to the Sony representative that I would receive the same system back, they said yes. This leads me to believe that there is a component on some 20GB and 60GB PS3s that malfunctions and is easily replaceable without having to replace the entire unit. Maybe its the PSU. Maybe it's the fan. I don't know, but the fact they can guarentee the same PS3 back to me after they asked me several questions about what it was doing tells me they have a pretty good idea of what's going on. Also the fact they extended warranty for PS3s sold between November-December 2006 for 1 month tells me they have experience with the problem.

It seems they've fixed this problem with the new 40GB and 80GB but those systems seem to suffer from disc read falures.

Electronics break, a lot of the time because of faulty hardware. The PS3 is no different. These hardware failures that show up either from the get go or later down the line are no different then the Wii users who got that error code around launch. Some users got sent a bad batch of ticking time bomb PS3s
 
Wait - so basically what you're saying is that when Sony does nothing, they're showing terrible customer service and that pisses you off. But when they promise you a brand new PS3, they're just being shysters that have some diabolical scheme in mind, and that pisses you off?

What else do you want them to do, mail you a free Sony-themed fleshlight?

You purchased a new generation of electronics. You voided the warranty. You should have considered the risks when you did all those things. Get over it.

Earth
Electronics break, a lot of the time because of faulty hardware. The PS3 is no different.
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I don't get it, are you just crazy? Are you listening to yourself? Because you're pretty much answering all your own questions.
 
Earth
I have heard that Sony and Microsoft have been known to swap out faulty systems with an entirely new system. Also the 60GB has been out of production for a long time. How many of them they have laying around I don't know. I made sure when talking to the Sony representative that I would receive the same system back, they said yes. This leads me to believe that there is a component on some 20GB and 60GB PS3s that malfunctions and is easily replaceable without having to replace the entire unit. Maybe its the PSU. Maybe it's the fan. I don't know, but the fact they can guarentee the same PS3 back to me after they asked me several questions about what it was doing tells me they have a pretty good idea of what's going on. Also the fact they extended warranty for PS3s sold between November-December 2006 for 1 month tells me they have experience with the problem.

It seems they've fixed this problem with the new 40GB and 80GB but those systems seem to suffer from disc read falures.

Electronics break, a lot of the time because of faulty hardware. The PS3 is no different. These hardware failures that show up either from the get go or later down the line are no different then the Wii users who got that error code around launch. Some users got sent a bad batch of ticking time bomb PS3s
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This just makes no sense! I have sent 360's back with RRoD and have had some repaired, and some replaced.

Also the people on the phone cant GUARANTEE you will get your exact PS3 back. Most of the people in tech support are monkeys that read off a screen and just give you any old answer for stuff like that.

Also, even if its a MAJOR fault that is not well known it can be fixed by simply swapping the old broken motherboard with a new working one!

That simple, just because you get your original console back it means NOTHING at all!

Sometimes they dont have full working consoles laying around they can just send you, so they diagnose the problem to a certain part (PSU, fan, mobo, HDD, BD drive, etc, etc) then swap the part and send it back.

You reasoning has no logic to it what-so-ever.
 
Earth
Wow, you aren't bashing me but instead you're asking for clarification? That has to be a miracle.
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Why does that have to be a miracle? If I don't understand something, I ask for clarification. If I understand it clearly, I don't. I just may not understand it the way YOU do... but that doesn't mean I don't understand it.

I have heard that Sony and Microsoft have been known to swap out faulty systems with an entirely new system. Also the 60GB has been out of production for a long time. How many of them they have laying around I don't know. I made sure when talking to the Sony representative that I would receive the same system back, they said yes. This leads me to believe that there is a component on some 20GB and 60GB PS3s that malfunctions and is easily replaceable without having to replace the entire unit.
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Or else it means that the 20GB and 60GB units have been out of production for a long time, so there aren't any/many lying around new in a box just waiting to be sent to someone who is out of warranty, so Sony will fix what's wrong with yours rather than sending you a new/refurb one.
 
Wow, H3rmaN that was a big deal to you, huh?

H3rmaN
This just makes no sense! I have sent 360's back with RRoD and have had some repaired, and some replaced.
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And? What does this have to do with what I said? I'm simply trying to figure out what's wrong with my PS3 and if its a known problem which could get me a free repair

H3rmaN
Also the people on the phone cant GUARANTEE you will get your exact PS3 back. Most of the people in tech support are monkeys that read off a screen and just give you any old answer for stuff like that.
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OK, so you're saying I shouldn't trust tech support. Maybe I shouldn't. But getting lied to over the phone won't go over well with me if they send me a 40GB or something else after saying in a recorded conversation they wouldnt.

H3rmaN
Also, even if its a MAJOR fault that is not well known it can be fixed by simply swapping the old broken motherboard with a new working one!
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And how many 60GB motherboards do you think they have "laying around?" You don't know, and I don't know.

H3rmaN
That simple, just because you get your original console back it means NOTHING at all!

Sometimes they dont have full working consoles laying around they can just send you, so they diagnose the problem to a certain part (PSU, fan, mobo, HDD, BD drive, etc, etc) then swap the part and send it back.

You reasoning has no logic to it what-so-ever.
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So the reason why they at times completley replaced your 360 how many ever times is because at that time they didn't have "full working consoles laying around"? Are you serious, or in your haste to type a witty reply this is the best you could come up with?

And how are you going to equate problems and repairs with the 360 to problems and repairs with the PS3? These are two totally different machines with totally different problems, and you think that your experience with the 360 RROD transfers over to what's happening to me with the launch consoles perfectly?

Seriously though, what is wrong with people these days?! I have never seen such hostility and aggression before in my life! It's everywhere and can be clearly seen on the internet, even at places like youtube. How many times in the comment sections have you seen hostility and aggression.

Maybe all those army simulators you play in the form of FPS and horror movies like SAW is getting to you guys. Maybe its the Iraq war. Seriously, this behavior is disturbing. I even see myself getting affected by it at times.

Duke
Why does that have to be a miracle? If I don't understand something, I ask for clarification. If I understand it clearly, I don't. I just may not understand it the way YOU do... but that doesn't mean I don't understand it.
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Its a miracle because almost everybody jumps to conclusions on the internet. They seem to forget we're not talking face to face and at times the meaning behind someone's words or what they are actually thinking is hard to put down in writing.

Duke
Or else it means that the 20GB and 60GB units have been out of production for a long time, so there aren't any/many lying around new in a box just waiting to be sent to someone who is out of warranty, so Sony will fix what's wrong with yours rather than sending you a new/refurb one.
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Wow, a helpful post. That make perfect sense and is most likely the reason. Thanks.
 
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Earth
And? What does this have to do with what I said? I'm simply trying to figure out what's wrong with my PS3 and if its a known problem which could get me a free repair
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Ever heard of an example?! Well I was using my experience with the 360 as one!

Earth
So the reason why they at times completley replaced your 360 how many ever times is because at that time they didn't have "full working consoles laying around"? Are you serious, or in your haste to type a witty reply this is the best you could come up with?
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There could be any number of reasons why they repaired some of the 360's instead of replacing them, but at the end of the day they all had the well known RRoD, and some got replaced, some got repaired.

That alone shows that getting it repaired instead of replaced doesn't mean ANYTHING.

Earth
And how are you going to equate problems and repairs with the 360 to problems and repairs with the PS3? These are two totally different machines with totally different problems, and you think that your experience with the 360 RROD transfers over to what's happening to me with the launch consoles perfectly?
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Again....I used the 360 as an EXAMPLE!!
 
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