Classic GP's Discussion 2009

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As the BBC are airing the full highlights for classic GP's this year (and apparently onwards) voted by us, I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread purely for the discussion of each one. A little like discussing a race nowadays, except now we all have access to the footage in a better form than youtube.

Unfortunately, this only applies to anyone who can get past the BBC's region locking so it will probably be only us UK'ers.

I will try to update this first post each week with the latest offerings and when they are put up on the website/red button, as well as when to vote for the next classic.

So, this week's offerings for the classic Title Deciders Grand Prix are:
1980 US Grand Prix East
1981 Las Vegas Grand Prix
1983 South African Grand Prix
1984 Portuguese Grand Prix
1988 Japanese Grand Prix

View here (or I recommend viewing it on red button):
Classic Australian Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/03/classic_australian_gp_the_winn.html

Classic Malaysian Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/04/the_ferraris_and_the_fury_of_m.html

Classic Chinese Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/04/the_2007_chinese_grand_prix.html

Classic Bahrain Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/04/alonso_v_schumacher_2006_the_s.html

Classic Spanish Grand Prix:
[http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/05/classic_spanish_f1_the_verdict.html

Classic Monaco Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/05/classic_monaco_grand_prix_high.html

Classic Turkish Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/06/classic_turkish_grand_prix_hig.html

Classic British Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/06/classic_british_grand_prix_hig.html

Classic German Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/07/your_classic_german_grand_prix.html

Classic Hungarian Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/07/your_classic_hungarian_grand_p.html

Classic European Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/08/your_classic_european_grand_pr.html

Classic Belgian Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/08/your_classic_belgian_grands_pr.html

Classic Italian Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/09/your_classic_italian_grand_pri.html

Classic non-Calendar Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/09/your_classic_grand_prix.html

Classic Japanese Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/09/your_classic_japanese_grand_pr.html

Classic Brazilian Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/10/your_classic_brazilian_grand_p.html

Classic Title Deciders Grand Prix:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/10/your_classic_season_finale.html
 
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Can we discuss it openly, or is telling people who won the Schmacer V's Hill bit thought of as a spoiler!
So did he turn in on purpose??

I'm nearly sure I'll be able to see all these with the Red Button on Friday (thanks for not giving us back the whole Island ;))
 
I think this whole classic idea is fabutastic! Its really great to be able to watch these races/highlights like this. 1994 was awesome to watch as was 96!
 
GT4 genius
Can we discuss it openly, or is telling people who won the Schmacer V's Hill bit thought of as a spoiler!
So did he turn in on purpose??

I'm nearly sure I'll be able to see all these with the Red Button on Friday (thanks for not giving us back the whole Island ;))
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Lol, thats like asking if you can talk about who won WW2 because it might be a spoiler :p

I think Schumie made a last second decision to try and block too late, I don't think he planned to do it in the first place, he clearly didn't expect Hill to catch him so quickly, otherwise he would have blocked the corner better. However, whether or not he realised his block wasn't going to work half way through doing it and tried to drive that hard into Hill, I have to say there he clearly attacked Hill in order to damage his car.
He couldn't have forgotten Hill was there or missed him entirely.

Either way, both drivers deserved the championship, Schumie for laughing in the face of the FIA's perhaps rediculous penaltes that season and winning it against the FIA's clear wishes. Hill for being one of the few honest drivers out there that actually had the ability to take the championship without coming across as arrogant in some way, he picked up the leadership from Williams admirably and of course he was no replacement for Senna, he did pick up the team and keep the morale high and provided one of Schumacher's greatest rivals and some of his best battles.
 
Ardius
I think Schumie made a last second decision to try and block too late, I don't think he planned to do it in the first place, he clearly didn't expect Hill to catch him so quickly, otherwise he would have blocked the corner better. However, whether or not he realised his block wasn't going to work half way through doing it and tried to drive that hard into Hill, I have to say there he clearly attacked Hill in order to damage his car.
He couldn't have forgotten Hill was there or missed him entirely.
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Was Schumacers car damaged unrepairably after hitting the wall? And did he know, he clearly crossed the track in an attempt to block Hill, therefore he technically wasnt allowed block Hill a second time. Judging by a few other Schmacer moments over the years, not least his parking at Monaco. I'd have to agree with you and say he turned in on Hill deliberately intending to knock him out of the race.
 
GT4 genius
Can we discuss it openly, or is telling people who won the Schmacer V's Hill bit thought of as a spoiler!
So did he turn in on purpose??

I'm nearly sure I'll be able to see all these with the Red Button on Friday (thanks for not giving us back the whole Island ;))
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I suspect although I cannot confirm that, the BBC are only showing the highlights until 23:59 on the 25th March. I think I read it on the Beeb site.

Great thread Ardius, I spent the whole evening last night watching the Australian race highlights, a 1hr 45 loop!

It's crazy to see how controversy was gripping the sport even back in 1994, possibly one of the worst seasons to ever be run. But a memorable race all the same.

I personally would have voted for 1986. As a nine year old I remember watching that race with my Dad! A superb climax to a season that kept us guessing until the flag. Some big names, some fast cars and some laughable failures by today's standards:lol:

Growing up I always regarded Alain Prost as my favourite driver. He was always diplomatic and knowledgeable and of course fast, a worthy champion.
 
GT4 genius
Was Schumacers car damaged unrepairably after hitting the wall? And did he know, he clearly crossed the track in an attempt to block Hill, therefore he technically wasnt allowed block Hill a second time. Judging by a few other Schmacer moments over the years, not least his parking at Monaco. I'd have to agree with you and say he turned in on Hill deliberately intending to knock him out of the race.
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No, it looked like minor damage, which is what leads us to the conclusion that Schumi went to take Hill out, if he knew his car was ok, surely he (of all people) could catch Hill again and overtake him before the end of the race? He clearly felt it wasn't worth the risk to let Hill past (as Hill was inevitably going to get past, he was coming in way faster than Schumie and had pressured him the whole race).

Even if the Benetton had damage enough to at least make him pit, Schumie still went to take out Hill.

I don't think anyone thinks Hill was wrong for jumping at the large space Schumacher left, he was clearly faster and the onboard footage from Damon's car shows he had plenty of space to pull the pass off, he had the line and was clearly in Schumie's view of his mirrors (not to mention Schumie knew Damon wasn't far behind already).
 
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One question I would like to be answered, has there ever actually been a classic maylaysian GP? And what will they do when we get to Singapore or Abu Dhabi?
 
MildAshers
One question I would like to be answered, has there ever actually been a classic maylaysian GP? And what will they do when we get to Singapore or Abu Dhabi?
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Well, it has been hosted since 1999, and nearly everyone has voted for that race (although, we all want 2001 but it isn't part of the 5 we can vote for).

We are kind of hoping they'll let us vote for other grand prix when it comes to Singapore, Bahrain etc and let us vote for like classic South African, Portugal, Argetinian, US, etc races.

Appie
Ardius, i think u made a tiny error. it was DC who flew over Wurz;)
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Quiet you :p
 
1999 Malaysia is when Ferrari finished 1-2 with illegal cars and a FIA rule clarification was carried out to allow them to keep the win.

It was Schumacher's comeback race after he broke his leg at Silverstone.
 
Was 2000 not the wet one, with Verstappen holding off Mika.

On another note in relation to 94 I reckon Schumi's car was broke, it crabbed quite a bit after hitting the wall and if it was today the car would have been DQ because of the traction and launch control it illegally "could" use.
 
Well, apparently they can't get their hands on 2001 Malaysia either, so I think we are going for 1999 now.
 
Finally we are back into Europe! Now we should start getting some good 'classic' races. I'm looking forward to watching these when they are on the 'red button'.
 
They are up right now! They've put up the extended highlights for both 81 and 86 👍 along with the shorter highlights for 1991, 1996 and 1997.
 
86 is the best. Did you know that Mansell lost this race because he backed off once he'd passed the "finishing line" only for Senna to go back in front for the actual finishing line?

By the way. Isn't it about time that the Spanish GP thread was unlocked?
 
Tired Tyres
86 is the best. Did you know that Mansell lost this race because he backed off once he'd passed the "finishing line" only for Senna to go back in front for the actual finishing line?
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Not as I understand it. They'd moved the finish line forward, towards the last corner. Senna past it first, and won by 0.014, but Mansell was ahead by the time they crossed the old finish line.

Can't wait to watch the '81 highlights when I get home. 👍
 
I just managed to catch these on Sunday morning, WOW. I remember watching the '86 one fairly well, Mansell was a huge personality back then.

With the '81 race it surprised me just how many times the drivers were falling off the track, especially after the long straight. With both the '81 and '86 you get a reel taste of how these races used to be - a race of attrition.

Perhaps next year, without the refuelling, the tyre wear issues may become more prevalent again and the pit stops will not be as calculated as they are now.

Great to watch. Off to Monty next can't wait! (I'm enjoying the classics more than the current races:dopey:)

D.
 
Voting for the classic Monaco grand prix has been posted! My vote went for 1961, as its an era we rarely see, though I do love 1996, just for Ligier's last win and I always liked Olivier Panis.
 
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Nobody seems to be voting for 1981. The greatest ever performance from the little French Canadian master of car control.
 
Turkish Grand Prix have been put up, and also we have some news that for Valencia, Singapore and Abu Dhabi, we will be getting different classics (finally).
For Valencia (as the EuropeanGP), we will be getting classic European Grand Prix, which I can already see being won by 1993 ;)
Singapore we will get circuits that haven't been on the calendar for a long time, e.g. Detroit, South Africa, Portugal, etc. I think Detroit 1984 will possibly win this one or at least be an option.
For Abu Dhabi, we will get classic title deciders.
 
I hope 2008 doesn't win. It might have been an ecellent drive from Lewis Hamilton, but it was by no means classic. If you want a classic race from 2008, look no further than Vettel's win at Monza in a car that no-one would have dreamed could have ever won, or the title being decided in the last corner of the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Sorry, but there was nothing special about 2008. If someone other than Hamilton - with the obvious exceptions of Coulthard and Button - had won it, it wouldn't have even rated a mention on the poll.
 

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