Car List Criticism - Unwanted Premiums

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Hello GTP'ers.

With my Collector's Edition of GT5 came this amazing little book called "Apex", which besides teaching me lots of driving techniques, also has an almost complete car list of the game. I checked all the pages in the car list and it got me thinking in a couple of facts:

  • There is a tremendous amount of variations of Japanese cars.
  • There is also a lot of cars which can't be considered exciting.
  • The biggest part of the most exciting race cars was left standard.
  • PD didn't include sufficient premium models (At least when comparing to GT2/GT4 standards and the optimistic "1000 Car" advertisement).
  • Some premium models fall into the second category.
  • Showroom-level cars are outdated. (Like the Saleen S7, the Mustang GT, and the Focus RS. There are new generations of this cars for example.)
  • Protoypes are outdated. (Protype cars are interesting. And they were mindblowing in GT4, when you had the latest insights in car industry in a game. Now, most prototypes we have are heaps of old junk. New ones would really refresh the game.)
  • More "Tuner" cars would be great. (I'm not talking about ricers. If PD doesn't want us to have top of the shelf customization options, at least give us some tastefully modified cars from real world companies. Like the Amuse, Mine's, and HPA cars in the game.)

Given that this is a hot topic, I do this only with the intentio of some constructive and sane criticism (Trolls, go away.) I'd like to discuss this topics in order so we can hopefully give PD some interesting feedback regarding what players want in the car list. We're car nuts after all. We didn't bought this game for grinding, leveling, being punted by robotic AIs, or watching glorified replays called B-Spec, we bought it for the cars.

So, I'd like to kick the ball rolling with the last item on the list: Unwanted premiums. This is to me an important topic given the fact that Premium models are the ones that take the most of PD's resources, are the most contemporary and "hot" cars, and are the ones delivered in their full cockpit-enabled, rim-changing, bodykit-equipping, race-modifiable glory. You would expect the best cars to get the best treatment, and on most it is, but there are some that in my opinion fail to deliver.

Take stuff like the Daihatsu Copen. The Tesla Roadster. The Autozam. The Prius. The i-Miev. And so on.

Wouldn't you prefer having stuff like the Buggatti Veyron (Absolutely essential), the Saleen S7 Twin-Turbo (Re-modelling a GT4 favourite), the Volkswagen Scirocco (Not everything has to be a monster car), or the E30 M3?

With the time dedicated to model a Premium car, why giving us boring (to the majority of the population at least) K-Cars and econo-crap-boxes? Why not old favourites and more recently released sports cars? Why just 3 LMP racers?

Discuss at will, but please be respectful. This is a sensitive topic and I don't want it to degenerate into a stupid troll-war.

Cheers! :cheers:.
 
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People keep referring to trolls, is that a word that was invented in this forum?

Anyway yeah PD's prioritisation with regards to premium models was strange. As you mention, we have a Premium Prius but no Bugatti Veyron. And how about the F1 GTR, GT40, TVR Speed 12, Aston Martin V8 Vantage and all the other desirable cars?

We have some beautiful premium cars but so many were ommitted, I'm beginning to think KY/PD have just lost touch completely
 
VW kuebelwagen, schwimmwagen, samba bus

Perfect examples 👍. We could swap those three for, say, namely the Renault 5 Turbo Rally car, the Peugeot 205 T16 Rally car, and the Lancia Delta S4 rally car. There, 3 for 3. Which ones would you rather have?

People keep referring to trolls, is that a word that was invented in this forum?

Anyway yeah PD's prioritisation with regards to premium models was strange. As you mention, we have a Premium Prius but no Bugatti Veyron. And how about the F1 GTR, GT40, TVR Speed 12, Aston Martin V8 Vantage and all the other desirable cars?

We have some beautiful premium cars but so many were ommitted, I'm beginning to think KY/PD have just lost touch completely

Troll, at least up to what I understand, is internet speak for a person who comes to a forum and just says ridiculous stuff with arguments and manners that could quite fit the ones of a folk-story Troll. They're no good for any constructive discussion.

Also, I see you got my point. Quite interestingly, this exact cars you mentioned wouldn't have to be re-photographed, re-sound recorded, re-driven, since the data is basically there from GT4. All they have to do is upgrade it to Premium status. They were able to do it with the 787B, the R33, the R34, a couple of Lancers, and so forth, so I don't see why it can't be done here.
 
the thing about the vw cars are that while not fast is that they are ggood looking imo, and are historically important

on topic however my only problem is the ucd. it is annoying when your looking for "rare" cars and you see loads of undesirable cars
 
With the time dedicated to model a Premium car, why giving us boring (to the majority of the population at least) K-Cars and econo-crap-boxes?

The vast majority of those cars are lifted more or less directly from Prologue in which they were for the sake of having diversity. With a few exceptions (mostly hybrids and electric cars) most Premium models that made their first appearance in the full GT5 are high performance models with a couple of long time favourites thrown in the mix.
 
the thing about the vw cars are that while not fast is that they are ggood looking imo, and are historically important

on topic however my only problem is the ucd. it is annoying when your looking for "rare" cars and you see loads of undesirable cars

True about the UCD. Makes the standards feel even worse 👎.

However I beg to differ on the VW cars topic. The "good-looking" thing is merely subjective, and I believe most people will think a Pors...RUF, or a Ferrari, or even another Volkswagen is better looking. Regarding the historic importance, though I agree, I'd say this cars arent historically important for the automobile industry itself. If we talk about historic importance, then I'd like to get a Premium 2CV (Can't hate this famous little car :sly:), a Premium Model T, and a Premium Patentwagen. This cars were awesome and interesting in GT4!

The historic importance of cars is an interesting topic. They are cars that might not be pretty, or fast, but they add up to that "Encyclopedia" feeling that GT4 had and GT5 lacks. It's cool going trough memory lane and getting a feel of history's most remembered machines, as I said, not all cars have to be monsters. However, I do believe there are few cars in this category that can be enjoyed by most people. I think the ones we had in GT4 were almost enough. This Volkswagens are making the "Historic importance" factor go the wrong way.
 
Perfect examples 👍. We could swap those three for, say, namely the Renault 5 Turbo Rally car, the Peugeot 205 T16 Rally car, and the Lancia Delta S4 rally car. There, 3 for 3. Which ones would you rather have?

VW Kubelwagen, Schwimmagen, & Samba Bus!:sly:

No, seriously. I really like the novelty vehicles - the Kubelagen is one of my more unlikely favourites to drive!

I'm just not big on rally cars. But I'd swap 'em for An Aston-Martin Vanquish, Vantage, and a Jaguar XJ220!👍
 
Speak for yourself. No car should be stripped of premium status. Just because you don't like a car doesn't mean that others don't.
 
Why is the Veyron being premium so essential to people, that car is a p.o.s.. I would much rather have a 97 Supra be premium than a Veyron, I just don't get it, ok it's fast in a straight line...but who cares...this is GT not NHRA. Get over it, the Veyron is at the bottom of the list seriously.

More European cars need to be premium such as the Jaguar XJ220, Lamborghini Diablo/Countach...Perhaps even every spec and generation of the M3 just to compete with the massive amounts of 'different' rx-7's, miatas, 3000gts, and skylines there are in the game. Not too mention the various european hatchbacks that were doomed to be standards.
 
Speak for yourself. No car should be stripped of premium status. Just because you don't like a car doesn't mean that others don't.

Yes I do speak for myself, because speaking for everying would be disregarding their opinion. However I think (Feel free to prove me wrong 👍) that the vast majority of the people who play (and by extention, pay) GT5 would like some cars instead of others.

I'm not saying objectively "Everyone hates this and that car. Take it out", I'm subjectively suggesting "This and that car aren't fast, historically important and would fail to interest most people in the same way they aren't relevant to me. Therefore, they shouldn't be Premiums or even be in the game".

Just my two cents.

Why is the Veyron being premium so essential to people, that car is a p.o.s.. I would much rather have a 97 Supra be premium than a Veyron, I just don't get it, ok it's fast in a straight line...but who cares...this is GT not NHRA. Get over it, the Veyron is at the bottom of the list seriously.

In that I disagree. The Veyron, though not the best car in corners, is regarding by many a huge technological milestone in car design and is one of the most popular cars today. Independent of it's driving capabilities (Which I think they're awesome, but everyone can have their own opinion 👍) it's one of the first cars to pop up in people's mind.

More European cars need to be premium such as the Jaguar XJ220, Lamborghini Diablo/Countach...Perhaps even every spec and generation of the M3 just to compete with the massive amounts of 'different' rx-7's, miatas, 3000gts, and skylines there are in the game. Not too mention the various european hatchbacks that were doomed to be standards.

Yup, that's exactly my point. I'd like some hot hatchbacks thrown in for good measure (Say, Megane R26.R, Focus RS, Seat Leon Cupra, Volkswagen Scirocco, Fiat 500 Abarth, etc. Thankfully PD gave us Renault, albeit in a 4-door fashion, and the RS, albeit not the most recent one 👍).
 
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Oh I would love if GT5 had a VW Scirocco or a VW Corrado. I used to have a 87' Scirocco and I still own a '90 VW Corrado g60. I know everybody else would love to have more cars that go 225+mph but I personally would have loved to see these 2 cars in GT5. Very fun to drive in real life. I actually drove my '87 VW Scirocco across the USA and back in 1999. If you have a car you love I would highly suggeest doing this, such an amazing experience. I was actually able to catch the 1999 Pike peak hill climb and got to witness first hand the beast known as the "ESCUDO"!
 
Ford GT is premium (modern car)

GT40 is not (60's race car)

It would be my choice for a premium upgrade along with:

E46 M3
Stratos Rally Car
Bentley Speed 8
M3 GTR race car
 
Perfect examples 👍. We could swap those three for, say, namely the Renault 5 Turbo Rally car, the Peugeot 205 T16 Rally car, and the Lancia Delta S4 rally car. There, 3 for 3. Which ones would you rather have?

E46 M3, Supra Turbo MKIV, Bugatti Veyron = Three worthwhile premium cars that most gt fans could have bought, built, raced, and appreciated.

Nice oversight PD 👎
 
Pretty much all hybrids/electric cars, so prius, i-miev etc. I really can't believe that anyone can have fun racing with those cars, they are slow, uber ugly and some (i-Miev) has some really weird engine ( ? ) sound. Well, maybe with an exception for those weird people who have those cars in the real life...
 
I don't mind the Kubel and the Schwim but what I find odd is that some premium cars look nearly identical to each other. For example,

The two Suzuki Cappuccino's look exactly the same

The two Suzuki Swift's look identical except for turn indicators on ORVM on one of them.

I think twins like these could have been avoided.
 
Ford GT is premium (modern car)

GT40 is not (60's race car)

Correct.

I could make a list of more but it would be huge. And anyone arguing that its good to have a premium Prius because it brings diversity is mad.

Can anyone honestly admit to enjoying driving a Prius?
 
I don't mind the Kubel and the Schwim but what I find odd is that some premium cars look nearly identical to each other. For example,

The two Suzuki Cappuccino's look exactly the same

The two Suzuki Swift's look identical except for turn indicators on ORVM on one of them.

I think twins like these could have been avoided.

I suppose the twins could have been left out, but what would have been the point? Decreasing the overall car count? I doubt the twins were modeled from the ground up, and I actually wonder why there weren't more twins.

Personally I'm a k-car fan, but I don't expect our camp to fair well in this thread.
 
I wouldn't miss any of the Kei cars, but I understand they're there because of the Japanese origins of the game and developers.

An American originated version would have a lot more compacts and especially trucks, from all of the brands.
 
Why is there not even a 2010 Mustang, let alone the 2011 Mustang with the 5.0 L engine?

That's probably my biggest concern with the cars in GT5, that they seem so irrelevant to whats going on in the automotive world.

There are so many great cars that have come out in the last couple of years which should be at the top of any game's wish list, and yet PD didn't even rank them above a Prius? For example:

Bugatti veyron
Koenigsegg CCX/Agera (could be a licence thing)
Aston Martin DBS/V8 Vantage
Noble M600 (ditto)
Shelby Mustang GT500 (or any new mustang for that matter)
Pagana Zonda F
Maserati MC12
Ferrari 599 GTO
Mercedes CLK/SL Black
TVR Speed 12

etc. to name a few

Then obviously we have licencing issues with Porsche etc. but if other companies can do it, why can't PD? And don't tell me they can't afford it.

Either way, the longer they carry on with old car models the more irrelevant the game becomes. 1000 cars means nothing unless people want to actually drive them
 
Why is the Veyron being premium so essential to people, that car is a p.o.s.. I would much rather have a 97 Supra be premium than a Veyron, I just don't get it, ok it's fast in a straight line...but who cares...this is GT not NHRA. Get over it, the Veyron is at the bottom of the list seriously.

Well the Veyron is probably the most iconic car of the current generation, it is a piece of motoring history regardless of what your personal opinion is, it's the car that has shown modern car makers what can be achieved with no expense spared.
I have never seen a real Veyron and I probably never will but if I got the opportunity to take a ride in any modern supercar it would be the one for sure and I'm sure that plenty of people agree.

Veyron on top of the list please.
 
Speak for yourself. No car should be stripped of premium status. Just because you don't like a car doesn't mean that others don't.

:lol:, Imagine PD making some of the new additions again only as Standard cars for future releases to satisfy those who are outraged by some Premium choices.

Come on people, we can discuss forever whether certain Premium cars were the right choice, fact is they are modelled now and there's no going back.
Isn't it better to focus on which Standard cars should receive the Premium treatment by DLC (the magic solution to all problems it seems...) than expressing discontent for cars you don't like but others will (like those classic VeeDubs, love'em)?
Ah yes, that'll quickly turn into one of the 5789 wishlists or 7689 polls already present here.....
 
Wish they had the cts-v coupe and sedan. Already have Cadillac and gm license? Fastest sedan around nurb!

I own a 06 cts-v, more fun than any prius!
 
I suppose the twins could have been left out, but what would have been the point? Decreasing the overall car count? I doubt the twins were modeled from the ground up, and I actually wonder why there weren't more twins.

Personally I'm a k-car fan, but I don't expect our camp to fair well in this thread.

Well, I wouldn't have complained if the Gallardo had twins. :)
 
A problem with GT5's car list is that many of the cars are outdated, and can't help but wonder how much of its long dev cycle played into it. Sure it has some brand spanking new 2010 models probably due to PD having access to cars not available to the public yet, but they obviously could not do that for all the manufacturers.

Also, back on topic,I completely agree with the OP. The vast majority of cars in GT are essentially duplicates or essentially so useless, 99% of the userbase will only touch them if absolutely necessary. Keep the premiums that are in the game (as taking out undesirables would be counter productive), but next time keep the cars relevant to what is primary a racing game. Thats right folks, GT5 is a racing game, you don't take you Volvo wagon to the shopping mall or pick up groceries. You race in GT5 and the cars should reflect that.
 
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