Unofficial GTP Members Car Guide

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Disclaimer: This is an ongoing project. Nowhere near completion but I hope it provides some kind of help.

Okay guys first of here's the skinny. I run an online racing league like many other GTP members. Sometimes when creating an event there is a debate about exactly which cars are eligible for it. For example, is a Zonda R legal for use in a Road Cars only event? Is an HKS CT230R eligible for use in GT500 events? What is the difference between a "Tuner" and "Racer"?

My goal is to create a comprehensive set of guidelines for members to know exactly what each car in GT5 is and where it belongs as it pertains to GT5. I will be using these criteria to ensure fairness:

  • Is the car street legal?
  • Is the car custom built for racing? (ala F1)
  • Is the car so heavily modified that it is no longer anything like the original car? (ex: Nascar, GT500)
  • Is the car mainly used for track events?
  • Does the car have an unfair advantage compared to the cars it is grouped with?

Criteria I will not use:
  • Opinions on how the car "feels" Those are highly dependant on the driver.
  • What type of tires it comes with when won/bought. GT5 is filled with irregularities.
  • Whether or not the car is eligible to use for specific A/B Spec events. Once again GT5 is filled with irregularities.

I will be starting this off but I welcome members to chime in and help me out with suggestions and cars I may have missed. If you disagree with a certain cars placement please state your case below. Remember to be civil and polite. Lets not get this thread closed and I hope this guide comes to some use.

I will be adding a coding structure to the lists to help explain why the vehicle is where it is and also try to provide power to weight ratios for all the cars in stock form. I do not have anywhere near all the cars so any help is greatly appreciated.

Coding
T = Technically this car falls into this class due to real life racing series regulations though its performance might exceed other cars in this class. EX: Toyota GT-1

P = the reason this car is in this class is because it's of equal performance to the 'real life' cars of this class - subsequently giving more variety and diversity for this class (if required). EX: BMW M3 GT-R Race Car

M = This car has raced in multiple different classes during it's real life lifespan, but there's only one version of it in GT5, which is why it's included into a number of different classes. Its performance may be below or above average compared to other cars in its class. EX: Mercedes-Benz CLK-LM Race Car.

G =Gran Turismo Logic. The reason this car is in this class is because it is either a concept or GT created car that was created to mirror a real life race series but may have below or above average performance compared to other cars in its class. EX: S2000 LM Race Car.

R =This car is here because it is primarily a race car. It has been heavily modified, is not street legal, may contain a roll cage and is used primarily in competitive events. This car is usually never street legal and is usually not available to be bought from dealers. Using these vehicles in NO RACE CAR events grants the user a competitive advantage. EX: HKS CT230R

S =This car is here because it is primarily a street car. Though it may have been modified it is still street legal and can usually be bought in real life car dealerships. Use of these cars in NO RACE CAR events should be fair. EX: Mugen S2000

X= Extreme High Performance. This car is here because it is a factory built racing or track vehicle that does not conform to any racing series or league or is a GT5 concept car. These cars are generally used in one make factory sponsored events or special event competitions. These cars have outrageous performance numbers and are not eligible in NO RACE CAR or STREET CAR ONLY events. EX: Pagani Zonda R

* = Car is still being debated and may move to a more appropriate list.

Race cars highlighted in BLUE are eligible for more than one category and may be over or under powered depending on category. League managers are urged to use discretion when allowing these vehicles in a league event.

Car Specs are with Oil Change.

Street Legal Tuner Cars
These cars would be eligible for a Road Cars only or No Race Cars type event.

Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Opera Performance 350Z '04.............Tuner/Track..................3.82 kg/HP..................................S
  • MUGEN S2000 '00............................Tuner/Track.................4.86 kg/HP...................................S
  • TRIAL Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03.........Tuner/Track................3.81 kg/HP...................................S
  • SPOON Integra Type R (DC2) '99.........Tuner/Track................4.67 kg/HP...................................S
  • TRD Celica TRD Sports M (ZZT231) '00..Tuner/Track...............5.87 kg/HP...................................S
  • AMUSE S2000 R1 '04..........................Tuner/Track...............4.16 kg/HP...................................S
  • AMUSE NISMO 380RS Super Leggera......Tuner/Track...............2.83 kg/HP...................................S
  • GRAN TURISMO 350Z RS.......................Tuner/Track...............3.70 kg/HP..................................S
  • SPOON CR-Z.......................................TBD..........................TBD...........................................
  • HPA FT565 TWIN TURBO AUDI TT............TBD..........................TBD..........................................
  • HPA Motorsports Stage II R32................Tuner.......................2.88 kg/HP..................................S

Purpose Built Tuner Cars
These cars have been purpose built to participate in time attacks, drift events or circuit racing and are not eligible to use in Road Car only events. Factory built specials such as the Zonda R or Ferrari FXX which are used only for special events are also in this category.

Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • HKS CT230R..............................Time Attack Car............1.80 kg/HP............................................R
  • AEM S2000................................Drift Car......................2.60 kg/HP............................................R
  • AMUSE S2000 GT1 Turbo..............Track Car....................1.75 kg/HP............................................R
  • DUNLOP ER34 SKYLINE '07.............Drift Car......................2.10 kg/HP...........................................R
  • High End Performance G37.............Track Car....................3.12 kg/HP...........................................R*
  • Amuse Carbon R (R34) '04.............Time Attack Car...........1.91 kg/HP............................................R
  • HKS GENKI HYPER SILVIA RS2 '04....Drift Car.....................2.30 kg/HP............................................R
  • Opera Performance S2000 '04.........Track Car...................3.40 kg/HP............................................R

Factory Built/Extreme Performance Cars:
These cars are special high performance factory vehicles and are primarily used on the track, be it for racing, time attack, rally or drift events.

Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Pagani ZONDA R '09................................Track...........................1.40 kg/HP.......................................X
  • Red Bull X2010 S. Vettel..........................Track...........................0.34 kg/HP.......................................X
Race Cars
Like the name implies these cars are not eligible for Road Car only/No Race Cars events. This category will be divided into subcategories as well for specific racing series.

Super GT500:
These vehicles are eligible in Super GT500 events and JGTC events. Take note that JGTC cars may under-perform compared to the newer vehicles.

Premium Models
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Honda ARTA NSX ‘06
  • Honda EPSON NSX ‘08
  • Honda RAYBRIG NSX ‘06
  • Honda TAKATA DOME NSX ‘06
  • Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430 ‘06
  • Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430 ‘08
  • Lexus ENEOS SC430 ‘08
  • Lexus PETRONAS TOM’S SC430 ‘08
  • Nissan Calsonic IMPUL GT-R ‘08
  • Nissan MOTUL AUTECH GT-R ‘08
  • Nissan WOODONE ADVAN Clarion GT-R ‘08
  • Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R ‘08
  • Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z ‘06
  • Nissan YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R ‘08
  • Toyota YellowHat YMS Supra ‘05

Standard Models
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Honda ARTA NSX (JGTC) ‘00
  • Honda Castrol MUGEN NSX (JGTC) ‘00
  • Honda LOCTITE MUGEN NSX (JGTC) ‘01
  • Honda Mobil 1 NSX (JGTC) ‘01
  • Honda RAYBRIG NSX (JGTC) ‘00
  • Honda TAKATA DOME NSX (JGTC) ‘03
  • Lamborghini NOMAD Diablo GT-1 (JGTC) ‘00
  • Nissan CALSONIC SKYLINE GT-R Race Car ‘93
  • Nissan CALSONIC SKYLINE (JGTC) ‘00
  • Nissan LOCTITE ZEXEL GT-R (JGTC) ‘00
  • Nissan MOTUL PITWORK Z (JGTC) ‘04
  • Nissan PENNZOIL Nismo GT-R (JGTC) ‘99
  • Nissan PENNZOIL ZEXEL GT-R (JGTC) ‘01
  • Nissan XANAVI HIROTO GT-R (JGTC) ‘01
  • Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R (JGTC) ‘03
  • Toyota au CERUMO Supra (JGTC) ‘01
  • Toyota Castrol TOM’S SUPRA (JGTC) ‘97
  • Toyota Castrol TOM’S SUPRA (JGTC) ‘00
  • Toyota Castrol TOM’S SUPRA (JGTC) ‘01
  • Toyota DENSO SARD SUPRA GT (JGTC) ‘00
  • Toyota WOODONE TOM’S SUPRA (JGTC) ‘03

Super GT300:
These cars are eligible for Super GT300 events.
Premium Models
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • RE Amemiya Amemiya AsparaDrink RX7 ‘06
  • Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP SUBARU IMPREZA ‘08
  • Autobacs ARTA Garaiya ‘08
  • Lexus Weds Sport IS350 ‘08
  • Cusco Subaru Advan Impreza '03

Standard Models
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Autobacs ARTA Garaiya (JGTC) ‘03
  • Nissan C-WEST RAZO SILVIA (JGTC) ‘01
  • RE Amemiya AMEMIYA ASPARADRINK RX7 (JGTC) ‘04
  • Subaru CUSCO SUBARU ADVAN IMPREZA (JGTC) ‘03
  • Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S (JGTC) ‘00
  • Toyota WEDSSPORT CELICA (JGTC) ‘03

Touring Cars:
DTM Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters:
Many thanks to Villain for this list. These cars would be eligible for a Touring Car race.
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI '93
  • Audi A4 Touring Car '04
  • Audi Abt Audi TT-R Touring Car '02
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car '09
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car (Team PlayStation) '09
  • BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01
  • Lexus IS F Racing Concept '08
  • Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II Touring Car '92
  • Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
  • Opel Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix) '00
  • Opel Calibra Touring Car '94
  • Vauxhall Astra Super Touring Car '00
  • Vauxhall Calibra Super Touring Car '94

GT5 Touring Cars
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • BMW 320i Touring Car ‘03
  • Honda Integra TYPE R Touring Car
  • Mazda Atenza Touring Car
  • Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car
  • Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car
  • Subaru Impreza Super Touring Car
  • Toyota Altezza Touring Car

LeMans/American LeMans Prototypes:
LMP/Group C
These cars would be eligible for a LeMans Prototype/Group C event. Thanks to Smart_Roadster for this list!
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Audi R8 Race Car '01
  • Audi R8 Race Car (Audi Playstation Team Oreca) '05
  • Audi R10 TDI Race Car '06
  • Bentley Speed 8 Race Car '03
  • BMW V12 LMR Race Car '99
  • Chapparal 2D Race Car '67
  • Chapparal 2J Race Car '70
  • Ferrari 330 P4 Race Car '67
  • Ford Mark IV Race Car '67
  • Jaguar XJ13 Race Car '66
  • Jaguar XJR-9 LM Race Car '88
  • Mazda 787B Race Car '91
  • Mazda Furai Concept '08
  • Mercedes-Benz Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car '89
  • Nissan R89C Race Car '89
  • Nissan R92CP Race Car '92
  • Nissan R390 GT-1 Race Car '98
  • Pescarolo Sport Courage C60 - Peugeot Race Car '03
  • Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo C60 Hybride - Judd Race Car '05
  • Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo-Courage - Judd GV5 Rave Car '04
  • Peugeot 905 Race Car '92
  • Peugeot 908 HDi FAP - Team Oreca Matmut '10
  • Peugeot 908 HDi FAP - Team Peugeot Total '10

LeMans/American LeMans GTS/GT Cars:
These cars would be eligible for any GT class racing such as GT1, GT2. I urge league managers to use discretion when allowing these vehicles as some will under-perform compared to others.
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Zonda LM Race Car
  • RX-7 LM Race Car
  • Fairlady Z LM Concept Race Car
  • Camaro LM Race Car
  • S2000 LM Race Car
  • Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
  • Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car # 91
  • Corvette LM C5-R
  • Mazda RX-8 LM Concept Race Car
  • Nissan GT-R LM Concept Race Car
  • NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car
  • Mercedes-Benz CLK-LM Race Car
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car '09
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car (Team PlayStation) '09
  • Nissan R390 GT-1 Race Car '98
  • BMW McLaren F1-GTR Race Car '97
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car (Team Playstation) '09
  • Jaguar XJ220 Race Car
  • Lister Storm Race Car

NASCAR
These cars would be eligible for NASCAR only events.
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Impala SS (#14 Tony Stewart NASCAR, '09)
  • Impala SS (#24 Jeff Gordon NASCAR, '10)
  • Impala SS (#42 Juan Pablo Montoya NASCAR, '10)
  • Impala SS (#48 Jimmie Johnson NASCAR, '09)
  • Impala SS (#88 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. NASCAR, '10)
  • Fusion (#99 Carl Edwards NASCAR, '10)
  • Fusion (#43 AJ Allmendinger NASCAR '10)
  • Camry (#11 Denny Hamlin NASCAR, '09)
  • Camry (#18 Kyle Busch NASCAR, '10)
  • Camry (#20 Joey Lagano Home Depot NASCAR, '10)
  • Camry (#20 Joey Lagano GameStop NASCAR, '10)
  • Camry (#55 Michael Waltrip NASCAR, '09)
  • Camry (#83 Brian Vickers NASCAR, '10)

Misc Race Cars

500+ High Performance: These cars generally have high horse power and are well suited for higher end racing such as GT racing events. These vehicles generally have 500 or more Performance Points.
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Acura NSX RM ‘91
  • Chevrolet Camaro SS RM ‘10
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) RM ‘06
  • Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM ‘09
  • Lexus IS F RM ‘07
  • Lotus Elise 111R RM ‘04
  • Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR RM ‘05
  • Nissan Silvia spec-R AERO (S15) RM ‘02
  • Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA RM ‘05
  • TVR Tuscan Speed 6 RM ‘00

400+ Mid Performance: These vehicles are full race cars with a Performance Point range of 400-499 PP.
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Honda Civic Type R (EK) RM ‘97
  • Honda Integra Type R (DC5) RM ‘04
  • Lotus Elise RM ‘96
  • Volkswagen Golf IV GTI RM ‘01

Low End Performance: These are fully built race cars with a Performance Point value under 400.
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) RM ‘95

Classic Race Cars
These cars would be eligible for a classic or historic race car event. League Managers should use their discretion as the performance of the vehicles may not be equal. Classic cars must have a model year of 1970 or earlier to qualify.

500+ High Performance
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Ferrari 330 P4 Race Car ‘67
  • Ford GT40 Race Car ‘69
  • Chaparral 2D Race Car ‘67
  • Chaparral 2J Race Car ‘70*
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car ‘63
  • Ford Mark IV Race Car ‘67
  • Jaguar XJ13 Race Car ‘66

400+PP Mid Performance
Name...........................................Car Type......................Power to Weight Ratio...................Reasoning
  • Honda S800 RSC Race Car ‘68*
  • Toyota Toyota 7 Race Car ‘70*
  • Chevrolet Camaro Z28 RM ‘69*
  • Dodge Challenger R/T RM ‘70*
  • Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ2 Carrozzata Da Zagato CN.AR750106 '65

Race cars highlighted in BLUE are eligible for more than one category and may be over or under powered depending on category. League managers are urged to use discretion when allowing these vehicles in a league event.

Remember this list is (so far) not all inclusive but with some help from you guys I'm sure we will have a fairly comprehensive list. Thanks in advance!

Also many thanks go to JayKline whose original list is a great help to my goal of completing this list. View his original list here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159182
 
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Here is a break down someone already did for some cars.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4533684#post4533684

Thanks for the link. I have already seen that and find it incredibly useful. What I'm aiming for is more of specific set of cars list that users that run an online racing series can use to help quell arguments and such.

EDIT: that way if a league manager says "Hey we're running an LeMans Prototype race this week" He can refer the racers to this list which lays out specific cars that are eligible. Or maybe someone wants to use the Amuse Carbon R in a Road Car only 4WD event. He can point them to this list and let them know if they can or cannot.
 
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I would disagree with the Caterham Seven Fire blade. As it is a road legal kit car it designed for the road. you see them on the road often in the uk.
just thought i would let you now
 
I would disagree with the Caterham Seven Fire blade. As it is a road legal kit car it designed for the road. you see them on the road often in the uk.
just thought i would let you now

I agree with your disagreement.
 
Okay thanks for the input, I will move the Caterham out of the Purpose Built Tuner Cars. As it is a machine built specifically for use on the track (a weekend racer if you will) what category would you recommend putting it in? Should it be like the X2010? The X2010 is pretty much one of a kind and doesn't have any group to be in.

EDIT: The car is almost like a street legal go kart so making it eligible for "NO RACE CARS" or "Road Cars Only" Categories is tough.
 
The caterham goes in road car because it's a road car
however its balanced out with over cars due to lack of power
 
DTM Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters:

  • Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI '93
  • Audi A4 Touring Car '04
  • Audi Abt Audi TT-R Touring Car '02
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car '09
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car (Team PlayStation) '09
  • BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01
  • Lexus IS F Racing Concept '08
  • Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II Touring Car '92
  • Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
  • Opel Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix) '00
  • Opel Calibra Touring Car '94
  • Vauxhall Astra Super Touring Car '00
  • Vauxhall Calibra Super Touring Car '94
 
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DTM Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters:

  • Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI '93
  • Audi A4 Touring Car '04
  • Audi Abt Audi TT-R Touring Car '02
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car '09
  • Audi R8 LMS Race Car (Team PlayStation) '09
  • BMW M3 GTR Race Car '01
  • Lexus IS F Racing Concept '08
  • Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II Touring Car '92
  • Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
  • Opel Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix) '00
  • Opel Calibra Touring Car '94

The Vauxhall versions of the Astra and Calibra can be added here also.
 
@Villain:

Aren't LMS cars LeMans race cars? Or does the LMS stand for something else?

LMS = Le Mans Series. You'd have to get more specific than that in classification because LMS events will often have 3-4 classes running on the track simulataneously.

GT1, GT2, LMP1, LMP2... I don't think we should get into that much of a detail between the individual classes, but if you just lumped all of the LMP (LeMans Prototypes) and GTs together I think that would be appropriate enough.

LMPs are your Puegot HDi FAP, Audi R10, etc. and they are purpose-built for racing LMS and LMS-only. The GT classes are the Ferraris, Aston Martins, Porsches which are [heavily] modified road cars. Those are sorely missed in GT5... :indiff:

The LMPs are the successors to the late 80s / early 90s Group C cars a'la Mazda 787B, Toyota 88C-V, Merc-Benz C9, etc. I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm the type of learner that regurgitates information fairly well. Anyone with more insight is invited to correct me or elaborate finer details.


--EDIT-- Re: R8 LMS from Wikipedia.
R8 LMS
For 2009, Audi announced the production of an R8 LMS racing car, designed for the GT3 rules in the FIA GT3 European Championship and various national racing series.

I'm going to file DTM under "various national racing series."
 
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LMS = Le Mans Series. You'd have to get more specific than that in classification because LMS events will often have 3-4 classes running on the track simulataneously.

GT1, GT2, LMP1, LMP2... I don't think we should get into that much of a detail between the individual classes, but if you just lumped all of the LMP (LeMans Prototypes) and GTs together I think that would be appropriate enough.


Thats exactly what I think as well. I would lump cars like the Viper GTS-R Team Oreca with the Mazda RX-7 LM Concept even though the RX-7 would be better suited for GT2. Also you have a couple LMS cars in the DTM list you provided. Shouldn't they be added to the GT category of LeMans instead?

LMPs are your Puegot HDi FAP, Audi R10, etc. and they are purpose-built for racing LMS and LMS-only.:
Which makes those cars pretty easy to categorize. I would add the Bently to the list as it competed as an LMP car (and won I believe).

The LMPs are the successors to the late 80s / early 90s Group C cars a'la Mazda 787B, Toyota 88C-V, Merc-Benz C9, etc. I'm no expert on this stuff, but I'm the type of learner that regurgitates information fairly well. Anyone with more insight is invited to correct me or elaborate finer details.

This begs the question, are so called "pancake cars", like the CLK-LM, a LMP or GT car? Anyway here is a list of cars I believe should be in the LeMans GT category:

Zonda LM Race Car
RX-7 LM Race Car
Fairlady Z LM Concept Race Car
Camaro LM Race Car
S2000 LM Race Car
Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car # 91
Corvette LM C5-R
Mazda RX-8 LM Concept Race Car
Nissan GT-R LM Concept Race Car
NSX-R Prototype LM Race Car

I'm on the fence on the Lister Storm, Citroen GT-Race car, Jaguar XJ220 Race car and CLK-LM.

EDIT: Also the Historic LM cars should be in its own category as well since the newer cars would have an unfair advantage over them.
 
Thanks fatrab, gymkhana, freedom and villain for your input. As for the Audi R8 LMS's i am going to post them in both the touring car and Lemans GT cars list for now.
 
Hate to argue guys, but the Audi R8 LMS '09 is no way a DTM car.

It says in the description it's for the GT3 class, therefore national race series would be the national GT race series run in many countries.

The DTM is specific to Germany and that's it, no other country runs those rules. The GT rules are very similiar across many countries and also for the world series too.

Just look at the weight and power of the R8 LMS, it's 300kgs heavier than the DTM cars. It was used in the famous 24h Nurburgring race, but no way would it be a DTM car. DTM cars have engines of certain size too, the R8 LMS engine is way too big.

If you're going to include the R8 LMS in your DTM class, then why not the famous Falken tyres R34 that's delighted crowds for years at the 24h Nurburgring race, the Falken R34 mostly raced in Germany, not really anywhere else. Falken used it as a test car for their tyres.

You've also missed out on loads of GT500 and GT300 cars aswell, what about cars like:

C West RAZO Sylvia (GT300)
Superautobacs MR-S (GT300)
Wesport Celica (GT300)
NSX's - Takata, Castrol, Loctite, Raybrig, Arta, Mobil (GT500)
R34gtrs - Xanavi, Pennzoil etc (GT500)
350Z's - Xanavi (GT500)
Supra's - Castrol, au Ceremo, Denso, Woodone (GT500)

LeMans GT category
This is going to be very difficult as the rules for Le Mans cars changed frequently and the problem is there are alot of cars from a wide time zone, that qualify for this class, in the game.

Lister Storm, Jaguar XJ220 Race car and CLK-LM - these all (or very similiar variants of them) raced under the GT class name. So did the Maclaren F1 GTR, R390Gt1, Toyota GT1 and the Nomad Diablo GT1.

It was all over a long period of time though, one option you have to even things up - give the fastest cars lesser tyres i.e. mediums or hards and the slower cars better tyres i.e. softs.

S2000 LM Race Car - possibly not worth having in the class, even fully tuned it'll struggle get anywhere close to the other cars in terms of power to weight.

I think the basic rule should be along the lines of what defines a GT car and what defines a Group C / LMP etc car. GT cars virtually always have to have a road going equivalent - or at least one be offered for sale to the public as a road going car, Group C / LMP's and prototypes etc don't, no road going base car is required.

It'll be too hard to split them into GT1 / 2 / 3's etc, just use tyes or PPs to handicap the fastest / best and give a boost to the slower ones. Or, just put them all in a group and let people decide what or how they want to split them.

There's so many different cars in the game - what about factory specials like the NISMO's, TOMs Chaser, Esprit 350 etc etc - I think you'll just have to 'play it by ear'. Try to keep the amount of classes or categories as low as possible, this will give more variety in each class - alot of people like this. You've also missed out the Spoon's (Intergra's and Civic's) and the Blitz's from your tuner car lists.

Certain classes speak for themselves i.e. DTM / JGTC / Touring cars (you haven't done a class for this yet - there's a few touring cars in the game - Mazda 6, BMW 320i, Integra, Altezza, IS200 etc etc all around the same power / weight or able to be tuned to) other classes just leave as open as possible and keep it general.

Either way, best of luck, there's alot of cars and alot of different ways they can be grouped together.
 
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You make a lot of good points highlandor and as soon as I get some more free time I will update the OP. Also please remember this is a work in progress so the lists will be missing some cars but with your help and the help from others we should have a pretty good set of lists to help league managers out.

I especially agree with you on the Le mans cars being from a wide time zone and frequent rules changes. I feel for purposes of online racing having it boiled down to two classes will work. Racers will have to do the homework themselves on which car to choose from the group. League managers will have to cap the HP/KG or PP limit on their own discretion. Also I was under the impression that the Nomad Diablo was a GT500 car. I must have read its bio wrong but i'll double check.

Also I will list the other touring cars you listed in the touring section of the list. Should they also be eligible for DTM races? I feel allowing DTM and "gt5" touring cars race together is not a bad idea.
 
I'd keep the DTM cars and touring cars seperate, the power and weights are too different, most DTM's are alot lighter and alot more powerful, the touring cars wouldn't stand a chance.

Yeah, the Nomad Diablo was both a GT car and a JGTC car - just to confuse matters, but I think it has GT in it's name (just checked, yep it has GT-1 in it's name). So I guess sticking it in the GT class would be more apt. The Maclaren F1 also raced in both series too - I don't know, maybe you could put a disclaimer in and have them both in both classes - or highlight them in a way that denotes they once (in different guises) raced in both - that way you keep yourself covered 👍

EDIT - there are two 'supertouring' cars that aren't really in any class, the FTO and Impreza, these were made up by Polyphony for GT5, not sure of their weights and power though. Maybe the DTM could be a possibility as I think those cars have the closest power and weights, but it depends, can't remember what the FTO 'n Impreza are as standard, again a disclaimer could come in handy here - they're in the class because of performance rather than real life accuracy, if you see what I mean.
 
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In response to the missing gap in the OP for LMP cars:

LMP/Group C
Audi R8 Race Car '01
Audi R8 Race Car (Audi Playstation Team Oreca) '05
Audi R10 TDI Race Car '06
Bentley Speed 8 Race Car '03
BMW V12 LMR Race Car '99
Chapparal 2D Race Car '67
Chapparal 2J Race Car '70
Ferrari 330 P4 Race Car '67
Ford Mark IV Race Car '67
Jaguar XJ13 Race Car '66
Jaguar XJR-9 LM Race Car '88
Mazda 787B Race Car '91
Mazda Furai Concept '08
Mercedes-Benz Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car '89
Nissan R89C Race Car '89
Nissan R92CP Race Car '92
Nissan R390 GT-1 Race Car '98
Pescarolo Sport Courage C60 - Peugeot Race Car '03
Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo C60 Hybride - Judd Race Car '05
Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo-Courage - Judd GV5 Rave Car '04
Peugeot 905 Race Car '92
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP - Team Oreca Matmut '10
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP - Team Peugeot Total '10
 
Although we can all debate the validity of using wikipedia as a source, it is the easiest and fastest way to locate information so I hope you don't mind me using it in my arguments.

RE: the Nissan R390 GT-1 race car:
Although technically it is a GT car (it says so in its name!) it was built in a time when rules were being exploited (loop holes) and I believe that it over performs other LM cars in GT5. It is homologated and based on a real, road going car so it belongs in the LM GT list. I am including it in the LMP.Group C list as well. Here is a link to my source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_R390_GT1

Other cars that fall into this same category are the Mercedez-Benz CLK-LM and Mclaren F1 GT-R. These cars will be highlighted and included in multiple lists.

Also thanks to Smart_Roadster for the list! Very much appreciated!
 
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Hate to argue guys, but the Audi R8 LMS '09 is no way a DTM car.

I am debating whether to move it out of the DTM list. I feel that it is more of a GT car so we will see.

If you're going to include the R8 LMS in your DTM class, then why not the famous Falken tyres R34 that's delighted crowds for years at the 24h Nurburgring race, the Falken R34 mostly raced in Germany, not really anywhere else. Falken used it as a test car for their tyres.

I will consider this car as soon as possible.

You've also missed out on loads of GT500 and GT300 cars aswell, what about cars like:

C West RAZO Sylvia (GT300)
Superautobacs MR-S (GT300)
Wesport Celica (GT300)
NSX's - Takata, Castrol, Loctite, Raybrig, Arta, Mobil (GT500)
R34gtrs - Xanavi, Pennzoil etc (GT500)
350Z's - Xanavi (GT500)
Supra's - Castrol, au Ceremo, Denso, Woodone (GT500)

As soon as I learn the full name of these cars I will add them in. Lots of typing LOL.

Lister Storm, Jaguar XJ220 Race car and CLK-LM - these all (or very similiar variants of them) raced under the GT class name. So did the Maclaren F1 GTR, R390Gt1, Toyota GT1 and the Nomad Diablo GT1.

I have no qualms adding the Lister, Jag and CLK to the GT class. Even the Nissan is acceptable. I'm having a bit of a problem adding the Toyoto into the GT class though. According to Wikipedia it was initially to be a GT car but morphed quickly into a prototype. By all appearances its a LMP. If everyone agrees I will put it in both lists and highlight it. BTW here's the source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GT-One

It was all over a long period of time though, one option you have to even things up - give the fastest cars lesser tyres i.e. mediums or hards and the slower cars better tyres i.e. softs.

I will leave this up to League Manager discretion.

I think the basic rule should be along the lines of what defines a GT car and what defines a Group C / LMP etc car. GT cars virtually always have to have a road going equivalent - or at least one be offered for sale to the public as a road going car, Group C / LMP's and prototypes etc don't, no road going base car is required.

This works most of the time except for cars such as the Toyota GT1 or Nissan R390 GT1 which made two cars each to appease the series rules. I am going to add them to both lists.

It'll be too hard to split them into GT1 / 2 / 3's etc, just use tyes or PPs to handicap the fastest / best and give a boost to the slower ones. Or, just put them all in a group and let people decide what or how they want to split them.

I'm just gonna try to keep the lists simple and let the league managers use their discretion.

There's so many different cars in the game - what about factory specials like the NISMO's, TOMs Chaser, Esprit 350 etc etc - I think you'll just have to 'play it by ear'. Try to keep the amount of classes or categories as low as possible, this will give more variety in each class - alot of people like this. You've also missed out the Spoon's (Intergra's and Civic's) and the Blitz's from your tuner car lists.

LOL I'm sure I've missed lots of cars. I will be updating this list constantly in my free time to account for these missing cars. Thanks go out to you and all others that provide lists and information.

Certain classes speak for themselves i.e. DTM / JGTC / Touring cars (you haven't done a class for this yet - there's a few touring cars in the game - Mazda 6, BMW 320i, Integra, Altezza, IS200 etc etc all around the same power / weight or able to be tuned to) other classes just leave as open as possible and keep it general.

I will post them in a generic "Touring" list and leave it up to the league managers discretion if they want to allow them to race with DTM cars. Personally I would allow them to increase the variety of cars.

Either way, best of luck, there's alot of cars and alot of different ways they can be grouped together.

Thanks very much and thanks for your well written and reasoned post! Very much appreciated.
 
The Toyota GT1 and Nissan R390 were both built for GT racing as there are road going versions of each. The Toyota GT1 was slightly different - basically Toyota totally took the p*ss, whereas other manufacturers built 'road' cars to go racing, Toyota built a racecar that was barely road legal.

The GT1 then was modifed for a different class, but originally it was supposed to be representative of GT cars. In GT5 the Toyota is so fast it can run with the Group C / LMP etc cars, so can fall into either group.

I had a look at the other thread, your thread is very similiar, but I think you can do something a little bit diffferent that would make your thread stand out, and posibly be more useful.

Basically, each group will have cars that are technically correct in a real life situation, but there are other cars in the game that could be added to a group because their performance is very similiar.

Regardless of what groups you decide on, you should split the cars into two variants, those cars that are real life cars in that class and those that would fit in because of their performance.

Examples of this:

DTM
M3gtr race car - this is NOT a DTM car, but a GT/AMLS car, however, it's performance is very similiar to other DTM cars so it might aswell be included.

Also, some cars (as mentioned already) will fall into different catergories and some catergories have a huge variety of cars. Therefore, I'd suggest some kind of coding or indicator next to the car in the list, showing why it's in that class.

For instance:

T = technically this car falls into this class
P = the reason this car is in this class is because it's of equal performance to the 'real life' cars of this class - subsequently giving more variety and diversity for this class (if required)
M = This car has raced in multiple different classes during it's lifespan, but there's only one version of it in GT5, which is why it's included into a number of different classes.

Or maybe use different colours - something, anything that shows why your doing what you're doing i.e. why that car is in that class.

Personally, I would change the road car tuning class too, the way it's split at the moment means a huge variety of cars racing against each other, some will just slaughter others. It also doesn't make sense really - the Zonda R is a track day car, it's not for the road or for a race series, it falls in between for people with more money than sense, whereas other cars are actual road cars and the HKS is a custom built time attack car. I'd leave out cars like the Zonda R and HKS EVO, and have these as options to add as required in various classes as these could be considered as much of a racecar, if not more so, than a tuned road car. Just keep it to tuned variants of road cars - both private and factory cars i.e. NISMO, TOMs and AMG cars are basically factory tuned cars, as these can be bought new from dealers, AMUSE, BLITZ, MUGEN, SPOON, HPA etc etc can't be bought new from a dealer, so they'd be more private tuned cars. The drift cars can easily have thier setups changed for track racing, so you might aswell include them, but it'd be cool if you were to explain to people (for those that didn't already know) that these cars were built for drifitng rather than track racing.

By making your class system in a way that pits cars of equal performance together, I think will give your thread more credibility - and something different from the other thread which is quite similiar.

The road car tuning class is a big one, but I'd start by keeping it simple - split into subsections for drivetrain initally i.e. FWD, RWD and 4WD. But, what'd be really good, and very helpful for race series organisors, would be information like the power to weight ratio (for the car in standard unmodified form). That way, people can easily see roughly what cars are of equal or equal-ish performance.

It's alot of work, trust me I know. I've been running my road car and race car series for 7 weeks now, it's a hell of alot of work and effort doing research and testing, but if you want people to take you seriously and not criticise, this is what you've got to do - frequently and constantly.

Like I say, best of luck, if you can pull it off then big pat on the back, but the sooner you start updating and sorting the better. Think of ways that'll give your thread credibility, rather than mirroring the existing thread.

Also, just to confuse matters even more, there's the RM cars to consider aswell, plus there's a few FWD race cars that you haven't catered for...not mentioning the musclecar racecars too :D

A4 pads come in very handy - mine is a godsend, alot of other people I know use them too, plus a good supply of post it notes 👍

Good luck amigo :cheers:
 
I really like your idea of coding and adding power to weight ratios. I also feel the Zonda R is in a weird spot. I'm going to begin coding the cars and adding the power to weight ratios. As for the RM cars, I feel the majority of them should be able to compete in the GT class. Obviously their are a few that won't fit but we will cross that bridge when it comes up.
 
Quick question:

Determining power to weight ratio is simply dividing the vehicles weight (in KG) by its Horsepower right?

I'm getting weird results though. Take the AEM S200. its 1155kg divided by its 438hp on my calculator comes out to 2.636986301369863 which rounded should be 2.60 right?

On the gt5 tuning screen for it though, it has a power to weight ratio of 2.59. Should I run with my calculation or go with the gt5 screen?

The reason i ask is that I don't always have gt5 available (kids/family tend to hog ps3) but i do have acess to a reasonable good GT5 app that so far has been accurate in portraying HP and weight figures for cars. I can use my app far more often than the PS3. Or is the difference so small as to not matter?

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Some more weirdness:
Mugen s2000 '00 weight 1240/hp 255= 4.862745098039216 rounded down (via http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/math/roundingnumbers.php) power to weight ratio is = 4.86 kg/HP

GT5 tuning screen for same car, same specs = 4.78 kg/HP

WTF?
 
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Yep, I've noticed that too. I was helping a friend do some basic calculations on his real life track day car, we compared his power to weight ratio against cars in GT5 and ended up with the same - GT5 statistics don't add up.

But if they don't add up on all the cars, then whatever they've got wrong would be constant throughout all cars in GT5 - so shouldn't be a problem when comparing them against each other for a race series. That is, until, someone tries to input a manually calculated power to weight ratio.

Also, do you have all the cars, I have around 1430ish now, all of the race cars and tuner cars, so I can see what the specs are for each. If you don't own them, you're going to have to manually calculate the ratio instead, which mean some will be 'out' compared to others. The power to weight ratio appears in settings, but you can't access this if you don't own the car.

Maybe forget the ratio and just go for weight and power (be careful here, used cars will need an oil change or engine rebuild which will change their power - so you'll have to specify whether you're quoting total / max power or stock power with an oil change).

Best advice I can give - plan this thread, so when you have free time to jump on your PS3 you can utilise it to the maximum. Start with the actual cars full name first, you're still missing alot, then build your data slowly but surely.

It's a "6 of one half dozen of each other" scenario, having all the cars will help you define the classes, but defining the classes will help you know what cars goes where (some cars have been 'made up' by Polyphony, so there won't be any record of them outside of GT5, other cars have multiple versions in real life but only one in GT5) - what came first, the chicken or the egg??

Hmm, guess I'm not helping too much, I'll try and input some raw data soon, I'll start with the missing GT300's and GT500's.

👍
 
Quick question:

Determining power to weight ratio is simply dividing the vehicles weight (in KG) by its Horsepower right?

I'm getting weird results though. Take the AEM S200. its 1155kg divided by its 438hp on my calculator comes out to 2.636986301369863 which rounded should be 2.60 right?

On the gt5 tuning screen for it though, it has a power to weight ratio of 2.59. Should I run with my calculation or go with the gt5 screen?

The reason i ask is that I don't always have gt5 available (kids/family tend to hog ps3) but i do have acess to a reasonable good GT5 app that so far has been accurate in portraying HP and weight figures for cars. I can use my app far more often than the PS3. Or is the difference so small as to not matter?

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Some more weirdness:
Mugen s2000 '00 weight 1240/hp 255= 4.862745098039216 rounded down (via http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/math/roundingnumbers.php) power to weight ratio is = 4.86 kg/HP

GT5 tuning screen for same car, same specs = 4.78 kg/HP

WTF?

Unless the GT5 figures are preset for the stock figures of a car (If you keep it stock) Did you give that car a recent oil change?

If not then I guess we must be missing something somewhere

EDIT: Or the calculations were originally done with a different measurement of power and have been made less accurate when converted to BHP
 
I have a theory, but can't test it at the moment as Bob is currently causing carnage in a Redbull.

Some cars (I think the F40 applies here) have a different weight between the dealer and your garage. If you go to the dealer, check a car's weight then either buy it, or go to your garage and look at the same car (that is still 100% stock weight) - check to see in settings what the quoted weight for it is.

Pretty sure the F40 is quoted in the dealer at being somewhere around 1100kgs (1.1 tons), but when you look in settings (using an unmodified car - 100% stock weight) it weighs somewhere around 1300kgs (1.3 tons).

I think this was Polyphony's way of simulating the 'dry weight' of a car, compared to what it'd weigh road ready, once all it's fluids etc were in (like oil, antifreeze/cooliant etc etc - and maybe a few other things I can't think of would be included too).

The power to weight ratio in settings might be calculated using the weight quoted in the dealer rather than the weight quoted in settings - or vica versa, something like this or to do with this.

NOTE:

This is just speculation / theory, I'm clutching at straws - got no idea if this is true and even if it was, whether this would account for any difference in power to weight calculations between GT5 and doing it manually.
 
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