A number of you need a slap on the wrist

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Let me preface this by noting that there are a good number of people here that this doesn't apply to – And I applaud you. There are some of you who very obviously need this lecture though, and please read this all the way through. Also, this is targeted at members who have been here a while, not brand new "newbies". With that aside...

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At GTP, we've instilled the "Search and look before you post" mindset, and it works fairly well.

There are some of you who take this way too far though.

When someone makes a thread, and they obviously didn't do some research on the subject beforehand, it is not your responsibility to go in and rip on them. There are a good number of you who see such a thread, go in, and start yelling "Mods, close this thread!", "Terminate this thread!", "Where are the mods?!?!?!?!?", "SEARCH first, n00b!", "You obviously didn't search you dummy!". No, no, no! Don't do that, because it upsets the new member, it's a waste of space, and it upsets me and other moderators.

If you see such a thread, you can go in, and politely explain, in detail, what they did wrong. Politely explain to them how to use and where to find the Search function; politely explain that the Read This threads have a good deal of information; politely explain that most everything has already been covered by another thread. It's not your job to be a jerk and spit on a new member who just happens to be excited at discovering a GT forum. It's not your job to tell the mods how to handle the situation – I get particularly annoyed when I receive a report along the lines of "Ban him, he's annoying me" or "Close this useless thread". We will decide how to handle the thread – whether it can be saved, if it needs to be closed, or if it needs to be round-filed. The last thing I need is for somebody to rudely tell me how to handle a thread that I haven't even seen yet. (I don't mind when people make suggestions as to where a thread should be moved.)

Lastly, 20 members are not needed to tell one person that he/she should've searched first – one person can go in, explain the search and Read This threads, welcome them to the forum, then report the thread. Those of you who insist on being an a-hole and ripping on the member are only spamming, not helping.

BTW, being polite doesn't mean that you can't be stern – It just means that you can't be childish and start yelling at that person. If you're yelling at someone, it's not going to get the thread closed faster – you people have to realize that I can't hear you from the Rumble Strip.

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Again, there are some of you who are very, very good at simply explaining to a member what the problem is, politely and in good detail. There are many people though who are yelling just to hear themselves yell, and I will not tolerate that any longer. From now on, if you rip on a brand new member for not searching beforehand ("rip" meaning that you start yelling at them and being rude), and don't offer anything helpful to them, I will issue you a warning. Please note that I do understand the frustration that occurs when the same person makes ten useless threads – then you have a better excuse for getting mad at them. But don't attack the new members. Help them for pete's sake.
 
I agree totally dude, it gets kind of old seeing new users bashed by people who aren't mods but think they are helping the site when in reality they are just scaring away new members. You have to lighten up a little its just a message board on a computer not a life or death situation. Also when someone has an idea please don't say: that sucks, that will never happen, PD doesnt care what you say. SO WHAT let people have their own thoughts and stop trying to sound like somehow you are "above them" by putting them down.
 
You tell them Sage. I do agree, we dont need hundreds of people yelling at a n00b just because he didnt search. One is enough.
 
I don't want to flame Darin but during the last few post he made,few days he has been posting, he's always AGAISNT the purpose of the thread, of agaisn't a member. He's always mad for nothing and starts arguing on the net...!
 
In all seriousness would limiting the number of posts a member can make a day curtail some of the bad habbits some (I am not excluding myself) members have?
Surely they would think twice about wasting a post?
 
It wouldnt matter, they would still get bashed for posting by some people who think that is the best way to get things cleaned up around here. All I believe it does is start arguments.
 
I am relitively new even though I have been lurking for a few months, and I believe if we want the community to grow and be a friendly place for all, we need to take a moment to think about how we respond to these threads.

Personally I am glad this post has been made, however I think I will go back to lurking for a while, not that that really matters to anyone else.

Remember that REPORT icon at the bottom of each post. Direct your complaints to that.

L8tr
 
I think it is about time that action will be taken about this sort of nonsence, so thank you Sage. 👍 :)
 
Yeah about time, I am getting tired of nonsense flames and uncalled for name calling.
 
VIPERGTSR01
Yeah about time, I am getting tired of nonsense flames and uncalled for name calling.
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Same here, in the past few days, I've been opening threads that are filled with flames, I'm spending half my time wading through them on my 56k, I didn't sign up here to see sensless flames.
 
Yes, it takes away from the whole purpose of the thread. So what if a new member forgot to search, one person can tell then how, they'll start doing it soon. New members can be annoying when they keep putting up new threads which have already been covered but they don't need to be attacked for doing it.

Blake
 
maybe its just because i'm well versed in Net-etiquette and learned about the search button a long time ago, but i havn't had any problems with being flamed.

even though this isn't one of my primary stops online, it is in my top ten because i like the atmosphere(thats a good place to be for a person that spends 6-8 hours/day online)
 
I kind of think the reason why people do that a lot is that we always consider a thread on GT4 to be serious, but when someone comes up with new threads on already-discussed threads, it can mean that it's new to that person, so they cannot help but talk about it. And often times, that's me. I'm no GTP insider with links to PD and Sony Japan. I don't take trips around the world to look at GT4 information, I'm just a young Texan that gets the scoop on GT4 from loyal fans and GTPlaneteers. I mean, is that enough to ask for? I think I've been accused for not searching only once in the GT4 forums. I don't like seeing newbies get bashed on for stuff they post. I had to get rough one time because one person was making fun of others' threads including mine.

I've done forums since maybe 2000 or 2001. Been hated on in one of them, mildly bashed on another, OWNED in another one, but coming here, I love it here. I want to make the most of things here. I haven't been on here for a yet as of the date of this post, but I do what I can to come up with topics that aren't wishlists, but I like to do examinations, ask for suggestions, address situations mentioned by GTP members and GT fans, and if I have to, police the general public as a volunteer. Anyone reading this- male or female, I guess I can just say this. When many of us do bashing, I think that we don't hate you, you just come up with something already covered. But if you're new, you don't know anything about GT4 that has or hasn't been covered, so of course one would ask "why do they keep bashing me like this?" And I don't blame that person. I respect anyone, male or female, ethnicity, country, young or old, whatever. I do joke around at times, but I'm dead serious about "service with a smile" on GTP. I've learned my lessons on other forums, so the last thing I want to have happen is see others suffer the same fate as I have. I've had problems with others as if I couldn't get along with anyone. These included regular members AND EVEN MODERATORS. And if you had a problem with that person and he/she kept bashing you, you can do nothing about it. They will stay there and get on you until you either die or get banned.

So with this longer-than-usual post, welcome all newcomers to GTP. If you love Gran Turismo and want to meet great people, you have a home here. Whether you're into muscle cars or sport compacts, male or female, into ovals or road courses, you'll always have a home here as long as you can uphold the laws here. The day I registered to GTPlanet (December 5, 2003), I never regretted having done it. I love it here, damn it. I respect many people. Examples include that cool cat Kart Racer, the to-the-point Eagle, the "stat boy" of cars M5Power, the entertaining and expressive GTP cutie, McLaren'sAngel, and many others I cannot name in a longer than usual thread. I wanted to be brief, but something said otherwise in my mind. So, let me... youk now what? Who cares about post length? What has to be said has to be said. So there you have it. Good night.
 
too many people posting for the sake of making their tally look big, and it shows up by criticising everyone that doesnt search.....

forums are for people to ask questions!!!!!!!!! if i wasnt a member 2 years ago I should still have the ability to ask some questions!!
 
JohnBM01 as far as I'm conserned everything you say makes sence.It's a pleasure to read anything from you.Concice and to the point,as you've said before "I'm your boy". :) 👍
I must admit though, new members do get too much of a hard time here,talk about trial by fire.
 
Mr P510
I must admit though, new members do get too much of a hard time here,talk about trial by fire.
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^I agree that some new members have had a really hard time on there first thread......its not the kinda welcome they really should get. There are always going to be so called "accidents" when a new thread has been made about something similar before, we should just tell them nicely to search and maybe it would just be easier to give them a quick answer......like if they ask if a certain car is in GT4......just say yes or no and point them in the direction of the offical car list........Don't say something along the lines of "prepare to get flamed!!!"

The recient "GT4 Damage Vs. Other Games" thread was handled I thought very well.

Also on another note......there have been recient posts (mentioning no names) where people have been rather hostile about talking about anything GT4!.....then explain to me what exsactly they are doing in the forum......no one asked them to logon! People in here have a passion for the GT series (like me) and I don't see why people cannot express thoughts, ideas, and there interest with out people shouting at them saying various comments like......"PD don't know you exsist!"......Yeah well maybe they don't but that aint gonna stop me talking about the game whether its sharing ideas or just keeping up to date.......

Some members can be really rude like just wanting to close thread right away....especially for no reason, man those people annoy me!

Be a little more light hearted around here......I can see how it can get annoying waiting for new information but if you dont want (or cannot handle) people talking about a game then you don't have to come in and flame people.

Robin
 
Sage
Let me preface this by noting that there are a good number of people here that this doesn't apply to – And I applaud you. There are some of you who very obviously need this lecture though, and please read this all the way through. Also, this is targeted at members who have been here a while, not brand new "newbies". With that aside...

[post mode="soapbox"]

At GTP, we've instilled the "Search and look before you post" mindset, and it works fairly well.

There are some of you who take this way too far though.

When someone makes a thread, and they obviously didn't do some research on the subject beforehand, it is not your responsibility to go in and rip on them. There are a good number of you who see such a thread, go in, and start yelling "Mods, close this thread!", "Terminate this thread!", "Where are the mods?!?!?!?!?", "SEARCH first, n00b!", "You obviously didn't search you dummy!". No, no, no! Don't do that, because it upsets the new member, it's a waste of space, and it upsets me and other moderators.

If you see such a thread, you can go in, and politely explain, in detail, what they did wrong. Politely explain to them how to use and where to find the Search function; politely explain that the Read This threads have a good deal of information; politely explain that most everything has already been covered by another thread. It's not your job to be a jerk and spit on a new member who just happens to be excited at discovering a GT forum. It's not your job to tell the mods how to handle the situation – I get particularly annoyed when I receive a report along the lines of "Ban him, he's annoying me" or "Close this useless thread". We will decide how to handle the thread – whether it can be saved, if it needs to be closed, or if it needs to be round-filed. The last thing I need is for somebody to rudely tell me how to handle a thread that I haven't even seen yet. (I don't mind when people make suggestions as to where a thread should be moved.)

Lastly, 20 members are not needed to tell one person that he/she should've searched first – one person can go in, explain the search and Read This threads, welcome them to the forum, then report the thread. Those of you who insist on being an a-hole and ripping on the member are only spamming, not helping.

BTW, being polite doesn't mean that you can't be stern – It just means that you can't be childish and start yelling at that person. If you're yelling at someone, it's not going to get the thread closed faster – you people have to realize that I can't hear you from the Rumble Strip.

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Again, there are some of you who are very, very good at simply explaining to a member what the problem is, politely and in good detail. There are many people though who are yelling just to hear themselves yell, and I will not tolerate that any longer. From now on, if you rip on a brand new member for not searching beforehand ("rip" meaning that you start yelling at them and being rude), and don't offer anything helpful to them, I will issue you a warning. Please note that I do understand the frustration that occurs when the same person makes ten useless threads – then you have a better excuse for getting mad at them. But don't attack the new members. Help them for pete's sake.
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STFU, n00b!
 
I've actually reported one or two threads recently that haven't been closed. That's cool, that's what the mods are here for, to judge the situation and act accordingly. I trust their judgement.

I think if you have any kind of common sense whatsoever, GTP is a great place to be. That damage thread robin mentioned is a prime example - if you've got the right attitude, it doesn't matter what you do. People answered the question, pointed the dude at a few discussions, he thanked them and asked for the thread to be closed. We have other new members like incubus who come along and just contribute to whatever's getting discussed. I've got over 2000 posts now (much to Harry's disgust) and yet started barely 10 threads - and all bar one of those were in the F1 forums where I kick off the discussion for each race meeting, and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not like we force people to make a new thread and if they make a duplicate we attack them.

I don't see why we should cap the possible posts per day. I post a lot but I try to have something to say when I do. For every thread I post in, there's 1-2 that I close the tab on, so it could be a lot worse if I chose to write 'Hmmm......' in every single thread. People post in other areas than just GT4 - If I go mention the latest band I'm listening to, add my thoughts on the silly season in Formula 1 atm (it's contract renegotiation time), check out what's being discussed about Metal Gear Solid 3, maybe Doom3, tell people about the new parts I just ordered for my computer, post my latest splits for the Weekly Race Series, throw in on a thread in Questions and Comments, help someone with some GT3 settings, judge or partake in an image competition in the Rumble Strip, I'm not left with a hell of a lot for the GT4 section if there are some threads I want to reply too. Why should I be prevented from sharing my thoughts if appropriate?
 
There are times when there are no mods here, during which time the thread just gets spammed. Would it be possible to have "trusted members" with the ability to lock threads? A mod would then come along later and decide what to do with it.
 
Yeah some people on this forum need a greater level of tolerance, I mean sometimes I get a bit agitated seeing a new thread with an age old topic repeated again. But some people seem to get a kick out of telling new members to search, search, search. Some other members seem to think its 'cool' to be negative in every thread too...

Mr P510
JohnBM01 as far as I'm conserned everything you say makes sence.It's a pleasure to read anything from you.Concice and to the point,as you've said before "I'm your boy". :) 👍
I must admit though, new members do get too much of a hard time here,talk about trial by fire.
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What?! did you read the same post as me? it was hardly to the point & concise :lol: as for the "I'm your boy", I think you should leave that kinda thing for private messages ;)
 
T5-R
Some other members seem to think its 'cool' to be negative in every thread too...
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Conformist. Have fun in your rat race life living pay cheque to pay cheque for corporate gains, conformist.
 
Eagle
Conformist. Have fun in your rat race life living pay cheque to pay cheque for corporate gains, conformist.
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...what!?

Perhaps I should become an 1n73rn£t |337o|² & fight teh powah ;)
 
Theres is FAR FAR FAR too much ass kissing imo, I can't stand all this "ohh yeah, your ace *bows down*, I'm your boy" crap, it's pathetic. They just wanna get on Johns ass kissing list :D
 
Eagle
Was just quoting South Park, nothing more :)
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Ahhh :)





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