Impressions on handling (AW11 MR2 + no aids = FUN!)

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I created this thread seeing as how some people without the game might be confused about GT4s differences in handling, especially with that Sauber @ Nurb thread. After a few hours of playing, here's my impressions on the handling so far:

Playing with the DS2 is fun, although you really can't use the d-pad anymore and have to use analogues I feel. There is still that heaving steering aid which means you can't steer "over the limit", although this effect doesn't seem as prominent as in Prologue so far.... Cars behave more realistically than prologue, and are much easier to slide (even with the aids you can get the tail out), although lift off oversteer and other ways to induce oversteer during corners are virtually removed while using aids. Basically, if you want to slide with aids on, you have to try.

Driving with the DFP is excellent, although I haven't driven faster cars yet, so I can only give my opinion on slower cars. The overall experience using a DFP (at least with slower cars) is improved over Prologue, and the steering feels realistic enough - especially the amount of turns required to point the car in the right direction. It's taking some getting used to driving with it, but I recommend using it in licenses if you're new to wheels in games.

Now onto the AW11 :D

Went into Deep Forest with aids on and it was a great drive (using DFP), the car felt "alive" and the slalom parts of the track tested the car and driver's skill. Sometimes I accidently lifted off in a corner, or pitched in too much on the brakes, but the aids always kept it in check. While it was exciting, and somewhat fast to drive, it didn't really test me. I felt that the physics might be to blame, and I assumed PD had let down it's promises of a more realistic physics model....

Then I turned ASM and TCS off :dopey:

WOW, the car was notably different! Using the same tyres (Medium sports) the car suddenly felt much more realistic than driving it with aids - lifting off in the middle of a corner was met with tyre screeching and a spin, slaloms resulted in a much more noticible weight/grip shift, and a consequent spin. I'm glad to say I spun 3 times in 2 laps - whereas I never spun once using aids - but it was so much more fun! God knows what it will be like with economy tyres.

The handling inspires me to explore the grip limits of the car in various situations and it has made me determined to learn how to fully exploit the potential of an MR sports car.

Although this is just one car, I hope this improved realism is true in other cars, faster or slower, and I can't wait to try them all out.
 
Sounds like a real MR2 AW11, which I drive. Throttle lift mid corner will result in a slide if you are going fast. Sudden and un smooth inputs can result in a spin. They also have "snap oversteer" where they go from understeer to suddenly oversteering. I'm really looking forward to driving one of these in the game now. Get myself a DFP and do a direct comparison ;) When GT4 is in the US anyhow. Should be interesting.

MR sports cars are "point and shoot." You line the car up by lifting off the throttle, and then get on the gas to settle it down, and it just kinda shoots that way. Extremely fun in real life, and an interesting feeling compered to an FF car to say the least :dopey:
 
Sounds like fun, I can't wait for my copy of this game :) . Can you try some more powerful FR cars with no ASM or TCS on?
 
Azuremen
MR sports cars are "point and shoot." You line the car up by lifting off the throttle, and then get on the gas to settle it down, and it just kinda shoots that way.
I'm still getting used to this. :) I usually used FR or AWD in past GT games but I've been using an NSX so far in GT4. It's a very different experience.

Regarding the original topic, no assists is the only way to play! 👍
 
AW11 is a lovely little car. Supercharged one is awesome. It's the japanese elise.

My FF car is point and shoot. Pity that such an important car missed the GT4 cut (205 gti 1.9). Bet the lift oversteer in my car would suprise a lot of people when they drove it with aids off too! Brilliant car. I'm really saddened that the selection of pugs in GT4 doesn't include that, or the 306 gti-6. They are uber famous hot hatches, and it's almost a shame. The citroen saxo vts and mk2 golf 16v gti would also be awesome to have in.

Oh, has anyone gotten a car onto 3 wheels yet? Either a rwd lifting the front, or a fwd braking into a corner and lifting the rear? That's really important to the way a fwd corners (and would make for some awesome photos!).

Oh, it's good to hear that you spun. I've grown bored of constantly being nannied in games/sims. The handling in prologue was a joke because of the aids.
 
dori
Sounds like fun, I can't wait for my copy of this game :) . Can you try some more powerful FR cars with no ASM or TCS on?

I just tried a few laps in a Corvette with over 300 PS, and it's pretty easy and forgiving to drive. Haven't really driven it hard yet, gotta put in some time in licenses 👍
 
A car I'm very fimilar with would be the 73 2002 bmw. Such a great car. I learned how to drive in that car. I can't wait to drive it in gt4.
 
Seeing the wheel lift on VW's would be great... happens all teh time at autocross events... looks goofy :p
 
I got a wheel up in my AW11 once. :)

They're very fun to drive, the only real problem is the slow steering ratio.

I've found that AW11s don't really snap oversteer, sure the transition is rapid but that's the nature of having a very low polar moment of inertia. A stock 87-89 NA is actually a very easy car to drive fast. It's what I learned on.
 
KSaiyu, can you plese take the Corvette into the tuning area and see if it can be fitted with either a supercharger or a turbo? you don't have to do it, just see if the option is available. Thanks a ton.
 
Well, mine has a 20 valve engine swap, tokico 5 way struts, eibach coilover springs, sway bars, and strut braces... I should probably adjust them a bit :p

This alone may make me get a good wheel for the PS2...
 
Thanks for the review. I own a 1987 MR2 and I love it to death. The AW11 is actually what I plan to start GT4 with and it's nice to hear that it's enjoyable. I just hope I like using my DFP as much as you like using yours.
 
trakslacker
KSaiyu, can you plese take the Corvette into the tuning area and see if it can be fitted with either a supercharger or a turbo? you don't have to do it, just see if the option is available. Thanks a ton.

Unfortunately I don't have the cash to buy one, and there's none in the used car lot (if they ever do appear there). As soon as I get enough I will do - but you could try others further in the game
 
The AW11 is a very nice car indeed (must say so because I drive one irl :p) it actually was my starting car in GT2 an bought a real one as first car after that.
 
Amazing how many people own them... I have two 1987 MR2s :D BUt... they have issues... cuse I have the WORST luck with cars it seems... so I need to fix them...

Certainly gonna start the game out with an AW11, gonna pwn ass with it damnit!!
 
i wanted a MR2 but the one near me did not have working brakes and it was too far to tow <8- ( oh well after i sell the porsche :sly: i might upgrade to a supercharged AW11. i think i have a odd obsession with older toyotas.
 
trakslacker
KSaiyu, can you plese take the Corvette into the tuning area and see if it can be fitted with either a supercharger or a turbo? you don't have to do it, just see if the option is available. Thanks a ton.

Yeah, you can either fit NA tuning to stage 3 or a supercharger. The supercharger boosts power to 517 PS.
 
Azuremen
Amazing how many people own them... I have two 1987 MR2s :D BUt... they have issues... cuse I have the WORST luck with cars it seems... so I need to fix them...
I think I have you beat actually. :) I've lost count of how many engines my MR2 has gone through in the past 18 months. Lost count! It's in the range of 4-6, that's all I can remember anymore.

Not really a problem with the design of the car, just my unbelievable luck with it.

I've owned 3, and have been very very tempted to buy more on multiple occasions.

Currently looking to add a MK2 MR2 to the resume. :trouble:

BTW for those who may be on the MR2OC forum, I'm 'BryanH' over there. :)

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Ah the good ol' days, when it ran...
 
But I blew up a 20 Valve 4A... thats whats annoying to me :p

That pretty much the normal one I have, you got htere, but nicer paint on it ;)

Mk2 eh... make sure its Turbo... of course, you know all that. Unless you import it :p

I need to get them fixed.. now.. this minivan is gonna kill me. MR on snow and ice!! Real skill there.. and lots of fun to be had ;)
 
Azuremen
Mk2 eh... make sure its Turbo... of course, you know all that. Unless you import it :p
Actually going to go NA. :) It's easier to work on and will make an economical and comfy daily driver. Plus, the MK2 NA is very competitive in E-Stock autocross. The Turbo is competitive too (now that the S2k has been moved up a class) but there's the extra expense and complexity I don't want to deal with.
 
But its a CAMRY engine...

I would prefer the much lighter AW11 for e stock. Just cause its more tossable. Of course, the tuned MR2 is street mod with the engine swap and what not. Its just... a camry motor :indiff: Its like what they did to the Celica... but not as bad... with the 6th gen not having the 3S-GE or 3S-GTE... I wanted the GT-4 damnit!

Still, the style on the SW is damned nice... I love it.
 
Yeah, even the NAs are beauties. :) Walked by a teal '93 this morning, my heart rate went up.

I know it's a humble Camry engine, but it gets the job done well. Straight line, the MK2 NA is dead even with a MK1 NA, and the Camry motor has more torque (so it's at a slight advantage squirting out of a turn). Because of the alignment you can get on the MK2 and the wider tires that will fit, it ends up being definitely a faster E-Stock machine than the MK1. The AW11 is more fun/tossable/raw but it can't quite match the suspension improvements and flat torque curve of the 5SFE-powered SW20.

I've had a MKI for nearly 6 years now, methinks it's time to move on.

Having a Camry motor can be a good thing... I've had some trouble locating engine parts for my 4AGZE (only about 1500 of those engines were imported here). That'll never happen for the 5SFE!

My future light/tossable car will be a Miata, which is even lighter than the AW11.
 
Bah... Miata.. no 4A goodness there.

20 Valve upgrade time... then you get more power than the Mk2 NA. Of course.. parts DO NOT exist in the US.. thus I need to import a new one. But damn its fast with intake, ECU, and exhaust.

The Mk2 just strayed from the orginal idea of light weight to me. Mk3 went back to it, but Toyota put the wrong ZZ engine in :p

To me, the Mk1 provides extreme sleeper value... 190 HP in what was once a 125 HP car take people by surprise, espcially with the suspension and semi slicks on it.

And I think we hijacked the thread... :D
 
I think the thread died, we just gave it a transplant. :p

No 4A in the Miata, but you can get smog-legal (very important here in CA) turbo kits for the Mazda that give you 190hp at the wheels. In a 2200lb car! The not-quite-legal-yet kit will do 220+hp. The Miata's suspension is also superior in most ways. It does need a better diff though.

I thought about a 20V for my AW11, but there's no way to get it smog legal so the car would have to be race-only. I went for the GZE instead which is fully certified so I can drive it every day. Lots of torque too. :)

You know, a 3SGTE will fit if you've got the resources to stuff it in...
 
This is true... so will a Cadi Northstar ;)

I have no concerns about Emissions... I live in a back water part of Washington state that doesn't even test, so its not much of an issue... I could run with no cat and all sorts of crazy stuff.. but the 20V was passing emissions in a different county that does test here. But I imagine its not as strict as CA still.

The torque of FI is alluring... but revving to 8500RPM... is just awesome. The sound... it gets people's attention ;)
 
i use to have a Mk1 MR2 infact I cracked the crank in 3 places keeping up with m8's e30 325is, so thuow the 87 motor out and put a 91 Corolla engine witch is the same engine updated with about 30bhp more went much better and now it sites in a breakers about 5 mile away full of rust ......shame.....good car.

Azuremen
But its a CAMRY engine...

if your on about the mk2 motor it a very good engine made buy Yammaha built for rallying and frist found in the Mk3 Celica witch i also had unbelievably strong mien blow all of its water out on the way to work one day just but some water back in it and fixed the fan and away it went and i also broke the cam belt at 130mph on the A1, put a new belt and pulleys and it still worked :dopey:
 
even though the SW20 is faster than the AW11, (even though here in europe the NA SW20 has the 3-sge engine with 156 of 175 HP) I'll stick to the AW11, like the look of it more than the look af the SW20 and the ZZW30 ;)

I know it's noisy, uncomfortable and such but if I want something more comfortable and less noisy but stil fast, I would buy a bigger car like a Volvo turbo, it has all that and stil has a boxy look like the AW11, which is the thing I like in the AW11 design, the boxyness ;)

But for now while I'm still a student, a big car is out of reach, so I'll have to enjoy myself with the AW11, which is no punnishment at all :D
 
This is the car I was going to start GT4 with glad to see that it's a blast to drive. I'm going to go get me one i n real life when I turn 16 (or 17 depending on when I have a job).
 
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