*Interest check* Nürburgring Nordschleife 24h Rennen

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Hi everyone:cheers:

Following on from the successfull NRS (Nürburgring race series) which is coming to a close in a month or so, I have an idea for a "Spot Race" of grand proportions!

This idea is just in the concept stage at present, i am looking to see potential interest in the first instance from the details below and based on that furthur details can be finalised.

The 24h Rennen is a full 24 hr endurance race run on a combination of the GP + Nordschleife, examples of cars that ran during previous races are :


BMW M3 GTR

BMW 320i

Dodge Viper GTS-R

Opel Astra Coupe V8

Nissan Skyline GTR (Falken..)

Audi TT Touring


All of these cars are represented in GT4 with road/racing models.

My concept is to stage a LIVE full 24h event sometime in the forthcoming months, this would utilise drivers from around the globe aswell as the GTP community, here are some ideas ive noted down so far:


- Likely to be two car classes "Road" and "Race" to keep things simple with a choice of perhaps 5-6 cars in each class. The smaller the number of cars in each class the easier it is to keep the racing close by matching the cars up better.

- "Teams" would be created with a min of 2 drivers and a max of 4 drivers per team.

- Each team would be made up of drivers from different global positions to get round the difference in time zones, rough examples of this are below.

- Some "B SPEC" would be mandatory for each driver, this would enable time to send in live updates and laptimes and also for rest time.

- Some "Mandatory" pit stops might be required, this could be decided based on results of car testing and would equal out the differences between cars.

- Teams would be responsible for car set up and strategy bewteen themselves, this would include making sure all members had the correct times and knew when they needed to start driving, (for a two driver team a simple clock set to the other drivers time zone would be a simple way of knowing what stage they were at...)

- All teams would syncronise timing of race start with event organiser to ensure fairness, not as hard as it sounds....i think...


Example 1 - 2 driver Team

This would assume maybe a driver from Australia or that part of the globe and maybe a driver from Europe. At the agreed start time driver 1 starts his race, as these drivers would be running a 12 hr stint each after 12 hrs he would pause his system and message the event organiser with his track position. Driver 2 would have seen the 12hr marker and have started a fresh race on his system and run the remaining 12 hrs. Car set up would have to be identicle with only changes available being things that could quickly be changed in RL, downforce, tyres etc, so teams would need to do setup work before hand.

Example 2 - 3 driver team

This might assume 1 driver from australia or similar, 1 driver from europe and 1 from the US all running an 8 hr stint each, the same principle as above would apply with each driver stopping after the allocated drving time and messaging the event organiser with thier exact positioning on the track whilst the next driver had started their stint, and again all three would run with an identicly set up machine.

Example 3 - 4 driver team

Again same principle applies however a 6hr stint is run each.

Im not sure if something like this has been tried before, but what better track to try it on and if it worked it could tie together skills and people from around the globe and the GTP community!

At this stage I would welcome thoughts and ideas on the subject, cars that might be included and any changes that would make this work better, in short dont be afraid to suggest something, that also goes if you think the idea is completely crazy and will never work!! It will need dedication from those entering but i would aim to get together about 10 teams to make it interesting thats 20+ people. The dates to run on would also go down to a public vote and would be over a weekend and start times set to work best for everyone involved.

I hope you might see the potential in this idea and perhaps add any comments thoughts to help make this work.👍

cheers and regards

David
 
sounds exiting. I wouldn't have time to run it, but nonetheless, it's a very good and clever concept. If this went ahead, I would definately keep track of what's going on in the race.
 
I noticed this in your sig. Quite ambitious.

A couple of questions.

So at the end of your stint you pause the game and submit your exact position on the track? You do not bring the car into the pits for the driver change? So how do you determine the exact position? Maybe you should start with a 0.0 mile car and submit the mileage?

So the idea is that each driver drive at a specific time? Ex. 4 drivers. If the race starts at noon GMT - Driver 1 = noon to 6pm GMT, Driver 2 = 6pm - midnight GMT, Driver 3 = midnight to 6am GMT, Driver 4 = 6am to noon GMT. So I run my leg at ONLY that specific time? If that's your intention there could be problems...power could go out?...PS2 goes belly up?...something personal could come up?

How do they score the real 24 hour race? "Freeze" the field at the exact 24 mark or when they cross the start / finish line after the 24 hour period expires?

This is an interesting and appealing concept but I'm curious about some more of the exact details.

So do you ever drive on any of the other tracks in GT4? Maybe another event in this series could be the "Le Mans" run on the Sarthe track?
 
goixoye
So at the end of your stint you pause the game and submit your exact position on the track? You do not bring the car into the pits for the driver change? So how do you determine the exact position? Maybe you should start with a 0.0 mile car and submit the mileage?

So the idea is that each driver drive at a specific time? Ex. 4 drivers. If the race starts at noon GMT - Driver 1 = noon to 6pm GMT, Driver 2 = 6pm - midnight GMT, Driver 3 = midnight to 6am GMT, Driver 4 = 6am to noon GMT. So I run my leg at ONLY that specific time? If that's your intention there could be problems...power could go out?...PS2 goes belly up?...something personal could come up?

How do they score the real 24 hour race? "Freeze" the field at the exact 24 mark or when they cross the start / finish line after the 24 hour period expires?

Cheers for the comments Ronny,

What exactly happens at the end of a drivers stint is open to change as there are a number of options, when i said exact position i meant to add that a driver would report to the event organiser how many laps had been completed and at what position they were at after the time marker was up, then after the 2nd driver had done the same at the end of the race the organiser would total up how many laps the team had completed in the available 24hrs.

Another option would be to pit in after the 12 hrs was up and contact your team mate who would then start their 12 hrs, that would give a slight delay but maybe make it more realistic like a proper driver change?

Mileage counting is also a good option which I would certainly look into:tup:

Yes the intention over specific start times is so to spread the 24hr event over a manageable time scale around the globe, theoretically someone in the US doing a 4 hr stint would start one of the last sessions in the 24hr period...regarding hardware failure and power outages....well i suppose thats down to luck and should something happen then its just like a real retirement in fact!! Tough but quite fair, a bit of preparation is all thats needed there.👍

I think in a real 24hr race when the 24hrs is up its the car thats done the most laps that wins, they get the chequered lap when they complete a lap AFTER the 24hr marker has gone....

And regarding wether i actually drive on any other GT4 tracks...not recently!! Like the Sarthe circuits a lot but the Ring is just mindblowing, and im in practice for when i can actually afford to take a decent car there in RL mate....!

good questions Goix

regards

David
 
Dave_George
Another option would be to pit in after the 12 hrs was up and contact your team mate who would then start their 12 hrs, that would give a slight delay but maybe make it more realistic like a proper driver change?
That sounds really silly but could be a lot of fun. :)

Dave_George
Mileage counting is also a good option which I would certainly look into
This would be esp. easy in Arcade since every new race resets the car's odometer. It would be helpful as a tie breaker.

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There have been live races posted in the race reports forum but I think this is the first relay-style OLR event. Cool idea.
 
Nice idea!

The best solution I think, would be that we met one place in Europe and linked up PS2 and did a race together in the same place. But that's not easy for everybody, so your idea is good.

I will follow this thread !
 
Sounds complicated, 'course I'm a little :dunce: but anyways... I like it, sounds like it'd be cool to run.

Dave


EDIT:
BMW M3 GTR

BMW 320i

Dodge Viper GTS-R

Opel Astra Coupe V8

Nissan Skyline GTR (Falken..)

Audi TT Touring

Is this all the cars, the GTR COULD compete well with the Skyline (maybe) the Viper I think wouldn't have competition, the Astra V8 and Audi TT would compete well, and maybe with the GTR and Skyline, but he 320i is all alone, would we have something like this?

Class 1:
Cars allowed - Dodge Viper GTS-R
Teams:
Toad Hall MS, Team Oreca, GT4 Team Viper (I just made up these teams, don't laugh. Well not Oreca but w/e.)

Class 2:
Cars allowed - BMW M3 GTR, Nissan Skyline GTR (Falken Super Taikyu), Opel Astra V8, Audi TT Touring Car.
Teams:
AC Schnitzer (BMW M3 GTR), Falken Motorsports (Nissan Skyline), Opel Team Pheonix(Opel Astra), Abt Audi (Audi TT)

Class 3:
Cars allowed - BMW 320i Touring Car
Teams:
BMW MS UK, BMW Team Deutschland, Turner Motorsports, Team PTG

^^Just an idea^^

Also, we could probably add a few cars, yes?

Just brainstorming,

Dave
 
Great Idea !!!

How about to keep it more simple for the first time ?
The teaming up idea sounds a bit difficult just because of the different time zones.

1 Driver for 24h. It'll be up to the driver how much time he can or will spend in a-spec.
using b-spec for breaks and bed time.

1 problem though, GT doesn't record the full race !
 
Thanks for the few comments and ideas guys. Had there been a bit more interest It may have been worth taking it to the next brainstorming stage.

But for now I think it can be put to bed.

cheers anyway

regards

Dave
 
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