JGTC S2 appreciation/comments & S3 suggestion thread

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Ok this is it, my plan was to post this on Sunday (26th) but I was all excited like a little kid and just had to post it now. :lol: We have only one race left after this weekend and S2 should start in a month or so. This is the thread to make yourself heard, take advantage of it. I will read and analyse every single post in here, taking all the positive stuff out of this to improve as much as possible with S2. In resume I'd like to know from everyone :

- overall note on S1 (% out of 100 or something like that)
- feedbacks
- what you liked/disliked
- your vision for S2
- new cars
- new tracks
- new rules
- new settings
- stuff you want/don't want to see back

I need to know your opinions on the duration of each round (currently at 2 weeks). My plan is to increase the number of rounds to 12, do you want to switch to a weekly setup or not? Prefer to race 1 week for qualif and one week for the race? Want to rearrange the number of days allowed for the qualif and race in proportion of their impact and importance? If we use the 2 weeks per round system, going through the entire calendar will take like 6 months, going weekly maybe only 3 months, your decision?

Do you want to see longer or shorter races? If we go weekly we can always play with that and shorten up the duration of the actual race. Want it to remain in the 55min-1h time frame?

Do you want to be a car tester for S2? If so let me know I need some help. Hint hint for you guys, both GT500 and GT300 cars will all be pushing some more serious hp for S2 so you better hang on with two hands to that wheel. :sly:

Have some spare time and might be interested to set up a little website for the JGTC series, let me know as well.

With the DFP I bought last week I also took a new sound card and a capture card. NTSC drivers will now all get video replays of their qualification runs. 👍


So basically tell everything you have to say in this thread, doesn't matter if you're typing long ass huge post, rest assured I will read every single word from the first to the last one. The ones who know me are aware that I take extra care when it comes to the appreciation of the drivers towards this series. We have a very good structure to work on, the foundations are strong and now we have to build around this. It's been a plesant season to race and interact with each and everyone of you, we have a really great group of people in this series and it really shows. S2 here we come. :D


WAR JGTC SERIES!!!
 
Appreciation / Suggestions / Comments for JGTC S2 series:

Overall personal rating of the quality of the series has to be very close to 100%. If I sit down and try to do an objective Good/Bad/Interesting analysis of the series I can’t come up with much in the Bad column. Except for my continuous weight gain and I really don’t mind that. If I do good it’s just that much more satisfying.

So EV4L, if you’re looking for a framed ATTABOY certificate, consider it (metaphorically) dispatched.

But one possible issue is the number of participants. Maybe together we can think of ways to recruit the more serious drivers to commit, and it certainly would be nice to have twenty or more drivers in each class.

Anyway, I’ve decided to commit to a full-time effort in Season Two. This is the best group of competitors I’ve had a chance to race with and the Administration of the series is top-notch. Hopefully no conflicts will impact my available time.

I consider my part-time performance in S1 to have been fairly successful, but only because of strategy. Everyone is fast and I think most are quicker than I. So I depend on testing to gain some advantage, and it seemed to pay off more than once.

This is the best series, period. Perhaps it requires no changes whatsoever, but a few thoughts may generate a few more thoughts…

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On track selection:

Most preferred circuits, in no order:
1. Nurburgring
2. Cote d’Azur
3. Deep Forest
4. El Capitan
5. Trial Mountain
6. Suzuka
7. Midfield
8. SSR5
9. Motegi
10. Fuji 80’s or 90’s

Circuits for possible consideration, in no order:
1. Seoul
2. Infineon SP
3. La Sarthe II (If real life track rules apply)

Least preferred circuits, in no order:
1. Autumn Ring
2. New York
3. Tsukuba(s)
4. Seattle
5. Fuji 2005

On driver car selection:

Allow each driver to select any approved car. Allow submission of any appropriate car for approval. Steward to retain power to veto car approval for cause.

Reason: More JGTC participation encouraged by less limited car choice.

On points:

Reduce the number of points paid for qualifying to perhaps one for fast time. Eliminate points paid for quick laps in the race.

Reason: Reduce incentive to gain points by allowing unlimited qualifying laps and by turning one of the three quick laps in any race. The present points system allows the second place finisher in races to outpoint the race winner by one point, the third place finisher to outpoint the second place finisher by two points, and so on.

On race length and qualifying time:

On the philosophy of allowing an entire week for qualifying, and sticking with the honor system, would it be reasonable to do something like this: Keep the week before the race for testing and qualifying, but make the qualifying session only one session of ten or so laps. Test all you like but just force yourself to do one qualifying session. If the points system is changed to reduce the incentive for a massive effort at qualifying the emphasis would shift to the race itself, and qualifying might be a little bit more for fun, testing yourself to see if when it counted and only when it counted, you could get the job done.

Race lengths are fine. I wouldn’t mind seeing some “special” rounds made longer. (Hint: der Nordschleife.)

On car settings:

I wouldn’t change a thing in GT300. The power and weight ranges are fine. I don’t think more wattage necessarily makes the driving more difficult or more fun. Weight reductions do.

On the number of rounds:

More rounds is fine, just don’t pick any of the awful tracks.

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I’m willing to be a car tester EV4L. I’d like to see your test procedure and I’d probably want to stay with the GT300 class cars.

I think that’s about all I can come up with right at the moment. This should be interesting.
 
You got a sincere 100% from me there eats. This is by far the best run series here. The participants are all first class, no whinners or self appointed racing gods, a nice mix of drivers that show respect for one another, which reflects on your leadership.
I really can't think of anything I dislike about the series,cars or venues, I do like Nuvo's pick of tracks for next season.
I'd also like to have teams in the GT300 series, but the lack of them wouldn't keep me away.
A few more cars would be nice also.
Race lenght is fine, a bit longer would also be fine, 65 to 85 minutes.
A 12 race series also sounds good, with a varied pick of tracks, some tight tracks (Cote d'Azur) and fast tracks. I'm a bit partial to the GT3 tracks like Trail Mountain, Deep Forest(a must),SSR5 and Midfield, but who doesn't love El Capitan and the Ring.
All in all whatever you come up with or change I'm sure will be great fun, you have a proven track record so I leave it in your hands eats.
Nuvolari will be great in testing, he's very deliberate, thourough and detail oriented, I'd feel very comfortable with you and him doing the testing.
Let's get going with the new season, can't wait to do a whole season instead of coming in at the middle.
Also could you explain the method of placing the cars with their respective drivers?
 
Before posting this, I feel like I should add a preface at the top, here. Some of my suggestions are written kind of bluntly. They are only my opinion and not meant to offend. I'm sharing my ideas only with the best intentions of making S2 interesting, fair and fun! :)

Nuvolari
On driver car selection:

Allow each driver to select any approved car. Allow submission of any appropriate car for approval. Steward to retain power to veto car approval for cause.

Reason: More JGTC participation encouraged by less limited car choice.
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Cool idea. I'd try this but I have another suggestion that sort of goes in the opposite direction...

In order to make a Manufacturer's Championship, only allow:

Nissan: GT-R, Silvia
Toyota: Supra, MR-S
Honda: NSX, S2000

Drivers would choose a manufacturer to drive for and would be teamed with someone of the same make.

Also, could make balancing the rides easier.

On points:

Reduce the number of points paid for qualifying to perhaps one for fast time. Eliminate points paid for quick laps in the race.
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I really like the point current point system. Honestly, if there was only one point up for grabs for qual, I don't know that I would always bother to run it. I like having an award available for the top 3 qual times because it would hurt too much to qualify 2nd and get nothing. In RL qualifying, being in the top 3-5 is something worth working for.

Same goes for race fast laps. Sometimes it can influence my tire choice.

the emphasis would shift to the race itself, and qualifying might be a little bit more for fun, testing yourself to see if when it counted and only when it counted, you could get the job done.
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I'm really against the idea of limits on qual runs. I see the qual as an opportunity for weaker players to have a good way to put in extra effort and improve their driving technique. If anything, I'd like more emphasis on the qual events. It would be nice if they could, somehow, be just as important as the race (w/o altering the points system).
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- overall note on S1 (% out of 100 or something like that)
100%!!!!!!!!
JGTC is the most fun I've had with my PS2
(though, I just got Guitar Hero and that comes awfully close!)

- what you liked/disliked
I must admit it's kind of annoying how part time drivers can "steal" points from full time team drivers. Maybe part time should have their own ranking (could get complicated, though).

- your vision for S2
lots of driver participation and sweet head-to-head battles
Manufacturer's Championship!

- new tracks
Nurb
 
I like the idea of more HP for the GT500. The only time you got close to wheelspin in the races was at the start.

Like Soyfu, I don't like how part-timers can take my points away. I'm bias, because I finished 2nd to HotBoi two or three times. But I'd hate to see someone who has been battling every week hard down the bottom of the standings, put in a great effort and miss out on a win/podium because some guy has just come in for 1 race.

I like the qualifying the way it is too. The problem is, there are some cars *cough*RX-8*cough*, that are just inherently fast in this format. But still, I think it should be kept the same way as it is now. I think it creates a more competitive qualifying field.

Race length is perfect as is. Anything over an hour can really get boring when you're usually a lap or more in front of the AI.

Tracks are a nice mix as they are now. A track like Cote d'Azur would be pushing it, the sheer number of penalties in this race would drive you insane, nevermind attempting to pass the AI cleanly. I prefer the realistic track feel we have now. I don't think we can have anything too bumpy either, I can't remember what track it was, but at the start of the season, my car was so low it just bounced and flew around everywhere. El Captian or the Ring? I think not.

I think it would be good to try and get more commited racers too. I know we should allow everyone, but it brings a disadvantage when people pull out. For example, at the start of the season when a full field is running. A fast driver with some weight will find himself well down the order, with spots between him and the top places filled with not-so-fast drivers with less wieght. At the moment, and although there hasn't been too many drop outs, a fast driver with 7+/8+, can still get a 5/6th place, by virtue of the fact there are no fillers. Where as before it he might of been dropped to 9th or worse.

The 1 week qualifying/1 week race format works excellently, in my case anyway. Personally I usually only get time to run later in the week and on weekends. I think you need at least 2-4 days of 30min to 1hr sessions to get a competitive qualifying run in and most weeks I've run 2 races. Squeezing all this into one week may even make people leave as finding the time may be hard.

Nuvolari's idea of limits on qualifying runs is a interesting one. But I feel it would just give an advantage to the faster guys, as the faster guys are usually faster out of the blocks. Also, this is almost impossible to police.

I think I've done a long ass huge post now so I'll think I'll end it on that. However Eats, if you need someone to help test for the GT500 series, feel free to send a PM/Email my way.

One more thing. Do previous drivers get the option of retaining their car from the previous season? I think this would be a good idea, as I want to keep my RX-7, and the universe revolves around me :sly:
 
For season 1, I would have to give it a 97%, only because if I gave it 100, we wouldn't be able to improve on it. :lol: It was the most fun I have had with GT4, and the competition is second to none. Amazing job. 👍

The points system was fair, and in RL, if a team not participating in the chamionship race wins, well, they don't get seperate points so the contending teams get the most possible points. I think the rules regarding this should remain the same.

I really like the 2 week set-up too, since I am a very bad procrastinator, and well, I like to leave things till the very last minuite, and giving me one week really helps.

With the regulating of qualifing, I think it's a bad idea, since it would be imposible to enforce, and would be really pointless. The open endedness of this series is what makes it appealing, and to confine the amount of time you have each week makes it bothersome and annoying.

As for the car selection, I have no good way to say what I would like to see for it, so I leave that up to all the other JGTC'ers to come up with. :)

I think if you can find new cars to add to the series, do so. We really need GT300 cars, as they are very scarce. Also, I think the RX-8 should be removed from the field, due to it's huge advantage during qualifying, unless it can be made equal to the other cars.

For tracks, IMHO, I feel that the Nurburgring and Sarthe should be left out. I feel they have little to no place in the JGTC. Don't get me wrong, they are great tracks, but not for the JGTC. Other than that, some tracks I don't want to see are:
El Capitan
Deep Forest Raceway
Fuji (80's or 90's)
Tsukuba

As for a schedule I would really like are:

1. Autumn Ring (best track in game!)
2. Cote d'Azur or Opera Paris (European Track)
3. Fuji Speedway F '05 (it's better than 80's or 90's)
4. Grand Valley East Course (this or the full version, but east course is more fun)
5. Hong Kong (for the challenge!)
6. Laguna Seca Raceway (great track)
7. Midfield Raceway (great track)
8. Special Stage Route 5 (can't have a series without a night race)
9. Suzuka Circuit (is the identity of JGTC tracks)
10. Tokyo R246 (why not)
11. Trial Mountain (intesne mountain fun, and I like it.... and I won there :))
12. Twin Ring Motegi Road Course (is a JGTC track, and is fitting)

I had a tough time deciding between Hong Kong or Seoul, but Seoul would be boring, and Hong Kong is really challenging, and would make for a really good race........ if anyone figures it out.

I like the rules the way they are, and the way they are is very appealing to new racers. The 1 hour races are the perfect length to me, and the field is even. Some extra power in all the cars wouldn't hurt, as long as the classes don't turn into GT600 and GT350. That would be prety lame. The rewards wieght system works perfectly, and shouldn't be tampered with. As for the penalties, well they work too. They push the drivers to drive cleanly. For the strength of the AI, I think it should change every week for differant tracks, since at some tracks some of the cars just can't keep up, and get lapped. To lose a race is bad, but to get lapped before losing the race is just adding insult to injury.

As for things I want to see back, I want to see the same great hosting done by EV4L, the same intense, close, fun competition between all of the drivers, and all of the racers who were here in S1.

The only things that should go are Andge08 and Soyfu, but that's got nothing to do with S2. :p

That's all from me. Hope it helps. :)
 
Like Soyfu, I don't like how part-timers can take my points away. I'm bias, because I finished 2nd to HotBoi two or three times. But I'd hate to see someone who has been battling every week hard down the bottom of the standings, put in a great effort and miss out on a win/podium because some guy has just come in for 1 race.
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how is this any different than wild card rider/drivers who are good enough to win races are on quality motorcycle/cars in real life?
 
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how is this any different than wild card rider/drivers who are good enough to win races are on quality motorcycle/cars in real life?
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Well what about it this way? I'm battling with someone in the championship, I'm heavy and I can't let them get 15 points to win a race. I could quite easily hire someone person to sign up part-time, and win that race, taking the points away from them.

I know this is an extreme situation, and I serious doubt anyone would do this. But I just feel it a little unfair to the people who put in week-in, week-out, and have points taken away from them.
 
purhapes, but wild cards are a part of racing ... get what you can and move on. but, if they are that big of a problem then why allow wild cards to enter?
 
S2 = you miss the application deadline to join then you wait for S3

I agree at 100% with Casio, and it was a problem I wanted to solve for S2.
 
eatsviper4lunch
S2 = you miss the application deadline to join then you wait for S3

I agree at 100% with Casio, and it was a problem I wanted to solve for S2.
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But that still doesn't keep part time drivers from grabbing points.

I think keeping JGTC part time slots open is important for attracting new drivers. It seems the only real solution is to not award points to part-timers. Rather, they just get ranked on a per event basis.

Also, in regard to series length:
12 rounds would be 24 weeks. That's a bit too long, IMO. I would prefer 8-10 rounds.
 
ejr_1
For the strength of the AI, I think it should change every week for differant tracks, since at some tracks some of the cars just can't keep up, and get lapped. To lose a race is bad, but to get lapped before losing the race is just adding insult to injury.
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I also think this is an issue to handle. On difficulty 10, the AI cars are so much more powerful but the driving still sucks so they become very dangerous. I'd prefer a lower difficulty setting and maybe even bump the opponent tires up to R4 for a little more stability (predictibility).

With a good AI match up, it can be fun to drive door to door for whole race. But the way the AI acts in our JGTC races, I can't stay far enough away.

Casio
I prefer the realistic track feel we have now. I don't think we can have anything too bumpy either
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Previously, I suggested Nurb, but Casio brings up a good point. Nurb and La Sarthe don't quite fit with JGTC. Additionally, the long straight sections would give more powerful cars a significant advantage.

Let's stick with the shorter tracks and keep a bias toward race track style courses (esp. real circuits). Apricot Hill is a nice track but I'm not a big fan of Autumn Ring.
 
On the issue of part-time vs. full-time participants:

I can appreciate the position of the full-time drivers and their concern about part-timers compromising point totals and the effect on the Championship. But, please consider that any increased restrictions on participation is in fact likely to reduce participation, and that would compromise what might be the most important goal of the JGTC series, which is growth.

If you look at the GT300 driver standings listing, you’ll see that only three of seventeen drivers have to this point completed every round. And five new drivers appeared through mid-season, as part-timers of course since that was the only option, and they were welcomed as they should be, because the rules allowed it. At least two of those five have committed to full-time participation in S2. If those drivers had not been allowed to enter the series as they did is it likely that they would now be joining the full-time ranks?

The driver standings listing appears to indicate that, if participation in the series meant that you had to bear the burden of only full-time participation and you had only a narrow window of opportunity to apply for a spot in the line-up and if you missed it the wait could be six months and that any failure to make a race meant some kind of sanction including a possible lifetime ban from the series, or any other such enhanced restrictions, there might be fewer drivers rather than more drivers.

I suggest that any changes in any of the rules be considered in regard to their potential impact on increased participation in the JGTC if in fact that is the paramount goal of the series.

Surely there is room for some compromise in the points system where the Championship drivers would be less effected by part-time drivers while still giving the part-timers the chance to compete equally on the track.

Consider Ron Fellows showing up at Watkins Glen to race with the NASCAR regulars, and being told he couldn’t run because he might blow their doors off and they wouldn’t like it.

After all, we’re all here for the competition, aren’t we? And the bigger the field and the faster they all are, the better, right?

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Addendum to the above:

If a meeting was called and everyone was to bring their ideas for how to encourage more participation in the JGTC series, what kind of suggestions might be reasonable?
 
👍 👍 To EatsViper4Lunch for a great series that he started. :cheers:

As for the future series i would make 1 change for sure. Take out the LM cars. They are a diff. breed of car than the JGTC cars, and are in the top 2 in points by far above the other "JGTC" cars.

True my time available to race has changed a bit do to work and other "games" i play, i found that i was under horsepowered by most other cars in the field. Loosing by about a minute a race consistantly (2 seconds a lap) :crazy: , just drives my nuts, even though i try to race a hard clean race, i just could not keep up. Need to improve on the evenness of the cars in the field to make it more competitive which would also make the times alot closer in the end. Not an EASY task mind you. EATS tries hard to please everybody but there are limitations (rules and game mechanics).

Though i won't be here in the next series (qualified for an F1 drive :sly: ) I prob. would be back for another later series "GT5" :drool: << over 20 cars in a field is just awsome, and the possibility to race online with your opponents is an exciting future to the game and the series. (come on POLY P get it out already will you :crazy: :drool: )

As far as tracks to run on or not to run on.

Tsakuba Wet - IN - one of the best races as far as "driving" is concerned
Fuji - OUT - :crazy: one of the most boring tracks - exception 2005 version
Seattle - IN - A great city course
Autumn Ring - IN - A Staple Track
Super Speedway - IN - Just Too durn fun to pass up a stab at it.
Nurburgring - IN - Another great track that requires good driving skills.
Motegi - OUT - I just don't like this track for some reason
Suzuka - IN - Its a JGTC track.
Infinion - IN - Either verion is good.

Part time/ full time drivers.

Full timers should get bonuses over part timers for sure, but part timers sometimes turn into fulltimers, thus should be allowed to run, but should not be figured in the points breakdowns.

Just my 5 cents worth. :crazy:
 
maybe you could have like a "Rookie's Championship" to go alongside the regular ones, so first-time drivers can pit their skills against drivers of their own kind.
 
lets start a big post, but if i get lazy i'll finish this post tomorrow...

- overall note on S1 (% out of 100 or something like that) i'll say 90% because i'm perfectionist and because if i gave 100 we couldn't improve. i loved, and i plan to keep racing here until GT5.

- what you liked/disliked

i liked the schedule system, the weekly format with good time for qualy and for the races. liked the competitivness, the atmosphere, i loved long races, i loved autumn ring, i hated my car (although i still love skylines). i didn't like the small grid, but i have a good feeling for S2.

- your vision for S2

more power, more tracks, more cars, more drivers. commitment to the series. a manufactor and also a country championship. new point system if we do have more drivers, but also giving points for qualy and fast laps...

- new cars.

LM cars can be accepted, just a matter of balancing them. the BMW M3 GTR is a clear chice for me, since it was used in JGTC in real life. i know we have to preserve the japanese feeling to the series, but we can add some cars without hurting the series. i'll come up with a list justifying their presence. a lancer will definately be there.

- new tracks

first, i want the return of autumn ring, best track of any racing game for me.
in order it would be:
autumn ring
suzuka
laguna seca
deep forest
trial mountain
grand valley speedway
motegi
monaco
el capitan
midfield
fuji 2005 GT
SSR5

- new rules

rethink the weight penalty system... i have to think about how, but i'll come up with some ideas... its just to hard to drop weight during the series...

- new settings

more power, cars are way to easy to drive. AI starting with RS, so they are not so dumb on corners. same format for qualify and races.

- stuff you want/don't want to see back. i want to see everybody back. i want to see autumn ring back. did i ever mention that before? i don't want to see a fast track with heavy car again.

i think forgot a lot of stuff, but i'll post again.

i really want to help testing the cars, and i can provide some stats and stuff. i thought about this, and cars can be even, adding to our fierce competition.

i have at least 5 trusted drivers to personally invite to the series, and i think we will have a larger grid in S2.

anyway, superb job EV4L and all the drivers, hope to see you guys again.
 
I just had two radical ideas!

1. Team scoring not based on driver points but combined race times

For example:
TeamFastGuys submits their two times...
GT500: 0:58'25.397
GT300: 1:01'09.622
Total: 1:59'35.019

...teams would compete based on this total time.

This would leave the driver's championship points out of the equation.

2. Qualifying point awards

1. 3
2. 3
3. 3
4. 2
5. 2
6. 1
7. 1
8. 1
...and so on. Everyone who participates gets 1 point and DNS's get zero.

This would encourage everyone to participate in the qual events since just submitting a time will give you a point. Also, it will simulate the function of a RL qualifying run... to gain track position and increase your chance of finishing well (simulated by the awarded bonus points).

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Also, just wanted to put in a vote for Monaco and Grand Valley on the S2 schedule.
 
another idea would be making some polls about tracks and cars...

just like it happened in the WRS, is much easier to see what are thinking...
 
Soyfu
Some polls would be nice. That would need to be done before the season starts so the schedule could be announced before Round 1.

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There were no responses. What did you guys think of my suggestions?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2155487&postcount=17
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So far those two ideas are the winning suggestions to solve the pts issues. Until something better shows up the chances we see a system similar for S2 is pretty high.
 
I like the idea, but if it is to work, we can't have slackers in full-time positons. If we do, there would have to be a substatial penalty for missing a race, since that would be devistating to a teams time. Also, would we be able to incorporate quali points into the teams championship?

That is also a good quali point format, so that we do have a reason to qualify. But that wouldn't matter to Full-Time drivers because they have to race anyway.
 
Personally, I think the qualifying how it is now. With the new 3,3,3,2,2,2,1,1,1 system, one point seperates 1st and 6th. You should get an advantage for qualifying well, otherwise why have qualifying?

Maybe for Full-Time drivers you could go back to the 10 second penalty for not submitting. I like that much better.

The main problem with the team championship is people dropping out. Even the best points system in the world couldn't fix that.
 
Casio
Personally, I think the qualifying how it is now. With the new 3,3,3,2,2,2,1,1,1 system, one point seperates 1st and 6th. You should get an advantage for qualifying well, otherwise why have qualifying?
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Well, you do get an advantage for qualifying (1-2 points) and qualifying well (3 points). I wouldn't mind giving the pole sitter 5 points, instead of 3, but I think it makes sense to keep the distribution fairly flat. In RL, there isn't much difference between starting 3rd or starting 5th so the points should simulate that. The one point just for submitting a time is maybe a lot for not much effort, but it will make a bit difference for those who get nothing for a DNS.

Casio
Maybe for Full-Time drivers you could go back to the 10 second penalty for not submitting. I like that much better.
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I also liked the time penalty but I assume there was a reason we're not using it in S1. Don't know what that reason is, though.

Casio
The main problem with the team championship is people dropping out. Even the best points system in the world couldn't fix that.
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A sad truth. The more people who get involved, the frequency of drop out will increase but, hopefully, everyone is trying to make a responsible decision when they choose either full or part time. I mean, this isn't life or death, but dropping out when your teammate is trying hard is kind of crumby.

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Also, I have a little treat for the stats-nuts. :dopey:

This is a demo for how the team rankings would look based on the "Time Total" system:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqxc9w/JGTC/Time Total Ranking Demo.html

One interesting change is a slight emphasis on GT500 times over GT300 times, since in the case of a GT500 DNS, the submitted GT300 time has no chance of beating anything (see: ejr's time in R9). So, GT500 drivers better be extra careful to get their times in! (GT500 had consistently high participation in S1, good job guys!)
 
Soyfu
Some polls would be nice. That would need to be done before the season starts so the schedule could be announced before Round 1.

...and...

There were no responses. What did you guys think of my suggestions?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2155487&postcount=17
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Agree.

And because so much has already been said, and well said (and eats pays a lot of attention to it), I would like to add an idea of extending the race period to 2 weeks. 1 week for qual + 2 weeks for the race.

One system I saw in another forum to help solving the points issue, and the question of full and part-time pilots.

The qualification and the the race points would be added with the average of all points from all the races, divided by two.
An example. Race 3, for example.

Lets assume a full and a part-time pilot.
Full time pilot gets 10+7+8 points from the first 3 races. The average would be 8 points (25/3). Divided by two would give 4 points. His score on race 3 would be 8 + 4 = 12.
The part-time gets 8 points on race 1 and misses race 2 and gets 7 points on race 3. the average would 15/3=5. Divided by 2 = 2.5. That would give him 7+3 points = 10.

Here's an example table:



I assumed S1 points system.
Race by race, full time pilots wouldn't see so many points taken by part-time pilots, because their average would be covering the points lost in a certain race. This system would award consistency and assiduity.

It's just a contribution, and I assume it may seem rather complex.
 
One other option (much more simple, would be giving an extra point for each reace.

On Race 6, for example, a full-time pilot would have an extra 6 points awarded.

A part-time pilot would have as many points as the races he participated in (let's say 4, for example).

Full time pilot would receive 1 extra point on race 1, 2 extra points on race 2, etc.
Part time pilot would receive the same points, but only concerning the number of races he participated in. If, on Race 6 he had missed 3 races, he would have received 1, for Race 1, 0 for Race 2 (missed), 2 for race 3 (because he was in in 2 races), etc.

If these ideas seem crazy, just ask me to stop....hehe
 
jctraduz
I would like to add an idea of extending the race period to 2 weeks. 1 week for qual + 2 weeks for the race.
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I'm only speaking for myself, here, when I say I think I'd get bored waiting 2 weeks between events. Qual definitely doesn't need a full week and sometimes it'd be nice to have a couple more days on a race week. Maybe a shift to a 5 day qual period leaving 9 days for racing?

But splitting it by weeks is much more clear and easy to manage. Also, having a weekend available for each event is probably important. I like to think of the race week as "it's showtime!" and the qual week is almost like an off week.

Though... I have another semi-radical idea! :)

I think this was even planned for S1 but never put into action. The idea is to post qual and race at the same time. Qual still runs 1 week but this opens up more time for racing. Personally, I'd like to be able to race right after a good qual session.

The only issue is, does this go against the purpose (spirit) of a separate qual event? Would qual be made less important or even meaningless?

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That said, my recommendation is to keep the current qual/race schedule format.

jctraduz
One system I saw in another forum to help solving the points issue, and the question of full and part-time pilots.

The qualification and the the race points would be added with the average of all points from all the races, divided by two.
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This system certainly would reward consistant participation but just reducing the total points of part-time drivers is only half of the issue. They would still be bumping full-time drivers down the event rankings, blocking teams from scoring.

I like the system, though. It's a bit complex but I understand how it could be useful. The idea for extra points for each race would really ramp up the excitement at the end of the season!

Keep the ideas flowing. :)
 
Soyfu
I'm only speaking for myself, here, when I say I think I'd get bored waiting 2 weeks between events. Qual definitely doesn't need a full week and sometimes it'd be nice to have a couple more days on a race week. Maybe a shift to a 5 day qual period leaving 9 days for racing?
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I still like a week for qualifying, as it gives you some weekend if you can't find the time to qualify during the week. However, I suggest this. Have a week for qualifying, but over lap the first race post by two days, so you get 9 days and 2 weekends to race.

Example:
Monday - Sunday: Qualify
Friday - Sunday: Race

Qualifying results can still be posted at the same time they are now.
 
Yes, so do I.

Personally, I have all the time in the world to race, so I'm not concerned with an extra weekend, but for the people who do need the extra time due to a alot of school work or a job or w/e, it would be very benifical.
 
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