I'm seriously considering giving up this whole "car" thing.

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As some of you may know, I rarely, if ever, drive my Blazer. I use it to go places more than 10 miles away, which happens maybe once every two weeks. So, I'm thinking about getting a motorcycle licence and a motorcycle, for all of the benefits it has:
  1. Much better with gas.
  2. Irresponsibly faster.
  3. Cheaper to run.
  4. Cheaper to insure.
  5. Way cooler than a Blazer.
  6. Cheap to buy.
Against that, I have only a few detriments:
  1. Less safe.
  2. Irresponsibly faster.
  3. Can't ride it in winter.
  4. Less space for stuff.
So, my question is, what do the members of the Planet think about my revelation? Any suggestions about possible bikes to look at? I wanna have my permit by the end of summer, and I've been thinking about an old Kawasaki Ninja/ZXR400 or a Honda Rebel or RVF400. I want something lightweight and relatively small engined, but it doesn't have to be a sport bike, really.
 
Unless you have a friend with a car and is willing to let you borrow it, be prepared to pay for delivery on everything over the size of a shoe box.
 
I'd say pick one up, then for Winter driving, pick up an older VW diesel, so you can go Biodiesel on it, and save money on fuel all year round. ;)
 
Unless you’re anorexic, I can’t fathom how you’d carry a week’s worth of groceries on one. And what’re you going to do if you need to buy a suit or a mop?
 
Unless you’re anorexic, I can’t fathom how you’d carry a week’s worth of groceries on one. And what’re you going to do if you need to buy a suit or a mop?
I'm totally not out of high school yet. I don't really need to worry about any of that.
 
Oh yeah... this thread will be entertaining. Anyway, Call me a wus... Call me... a scaredecat... I don't care what "savings" there are, but I CHOOSE LIFE.
 
Yeah, you'll soon miss your car. Even if it is a Blazer ;)

But yeah, a bike really isn't practical. Maybe just buy a smaller, less American car. A Jetta or something. There's loads of stuff that's faster, cooler and more economical than a big Chevrolet. So maybe not a Jetta then. Something with an M badge.

Nothing against bikes, but everyone I know with one also has a car. One has a Renault Scienic, one has an Escort and another has a PT Cruiser. Plus riding a bike in the rain is a little like playing Russian roulette, and just as uncomfortable.
 
Keep in mind, I don't plan on selling my Blazer. I just realise that the cost to fix it would outweigh the cost of a motorcycle. I would still have the Blazer if I needed it.
 
I want you alive so keep using your car...even if it is more expensive:)

Just keep in mind that with the bike you can die even if you are driving at 10mph and being the best driver in the world.
Or choose another smaller more comfortable car as it is already suggested.
 
Cheaper to insure a motorcycle than it is a blazer? Then again, wasn't the blazer awarded the most deadly vehicle?
 
You live in New York - 'can't ride in winter' is more like 'can only ride in summer.'

I wouldn't do it, but that's just me. I hate motorcycles.
 
Toronado, just don't turn into the asshats I see on the LIE all the time.... One guy did a stand up wheelie going 90 miles an hour up a hill..... he wasn't wearing a helmet.
 
I say do what you want but I know your asking for opinions but I like bikes, never would own one. Wouldn't mind riding one maybe once or twice, only reason I wouldn't own one is just the pure lack of safety. Even if you're going 0mph you are still at risk at death more so then in a car. No protection whatsoever.
 
Make sure you fill in the organ donor card....

And don't forget that they'll pull the common sense, road traffic law knowledge and humility centres of your brain the second you get onto the damn thing.

They don't hang around, these organ donor people.
 
Still in high school? Then there's only two things that should be on your mind concerning this bike:

1. The chicks.
2. That organ donor card.
 
I guess I'll be one of the few people that will eagerly tell you to go for it. It's really fun, it's cheaper than driving a car, and it's more flexible than you might think -- I've met people who ride a motorcycle almost all the time, all year round, only taking a car for a grocery trip or something. A highschooler who just wants a cheaper way to get around should have no problems at all, especially while keeping a backup cage.

That said, your two biggest obstacles will be the detriments numbered 3 and 4 (1 and 2 can be lessened by being smart while riding). Riding in the rain isn't crazy hard (just take it easy), but dress up in a warm, waterproof outfit, and pay extra attention to cleaning/lubing the chain. Riding through winter can also be done (and has been done by others), but only if your area is efficient at street plowing, and only if you can stand the cold and have something warm enough to wear.

As for the lack of storage space -- make some! Wear a backpack, get some saddlebags, and/or buy a jacket that has deep and numerous pockets. I've ridden with my school backpack many times (and that's probably stuffed with more stuff than you'd need from a store anyway), and my jacket has a pocket that's perfect for a few DVD cases, a small- to medium-sized bottle, or other small items.

Moving on to the actual riding, the first thing I would recommend is to take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) course (of which these people seem to be an associate). It's very much worth the money, because it'll teach you all of the essentials in riding, likely lower your insurance rates, and make the whole licensing process easier (completion of the Basic RiderCourse waives the DMV road test, although you still have to do the written test for the permit). It's nothing like ordinary driving schools, because instead of learning "red means stop. Green means go," you're learning how to corner properly, dodge obstacles, make emergency stops, etc. It's similar to the license tests in Gran Turismo and Tourist Trophy, actually.

As for the bike, it's hard to go wrong with one of the big-name Japanese manufacturers in terms of build quality, and if you know what you're looking for in the type of bike and engine displacement, there isn't much I can tell you other than "keep looking." I will tell you, however, that you'd be a bit hard-pressed to find a ZXR400 or RVF400 in the 'states, considering they weren't officially imported here. I know there are plenty of Ninja 250s and 500s around, but I don't know Hondas well enough to know what <600cc sportbikes they sold here during the '90s.

If you have more questions I'd love to help.
 
One guy did a stand up wheelie going 90 miles an hour up a hill..... he wasn't wearing a helmet.
We call them "organ donors". "Motorcycle riders" are the guys in full leathers and a full-face helmet when it's 90+ degrees out.
 
We call them "organ donors". "Motorcycle riders" are the guys in full leathers and a full-face helmet when it's 90+ degrees out.
Precisely, although jeans and an armored textile jacket are a good enough substitute for full leathers. Shoes that cover your ankles are also good.
 
Precisely, although jeans and an armored textile jacket are a good enough substitute for full leathers. Shoes that cover your ankles are also good.

I've seen ERs and plastic surgeons' wards full of motorcyclists who thought jeans were a good substitute for leathers.
 
A friend I know is good friends with a guy who used to go riding who thought jeans would do, he came off his bike and his knee scraped along the floor for about 100 yards. There was a trail of blood and bone most of the distance and he had no kneecap left, it had been completely removed bit by bit in the slide.
 
There must really be something wrong with me. I witnessed my mother and father inlaw die in a motorcycle accident and yet I still am not affraid to ride on a death machine. There are soooo many more things that might end your time other then riding a motorcycle. Somehow in my mind its all still worth it.
 
Funny, last year a senior student at my high school got a new Yamaha R1 as his first bike, yep an R-freakin'-1 as a first bike.....I'm still surprised to this day that he is still alive...
 
It makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than base jumping or mountain climbing, that's for sure. I'm sorry about your loss, UM.
 
You might want to consider the same bike I'm considering, the Yamaha Star Virago 250. Yes I know it's not a sport bike, but here is what I personally like about it. 1.) It's cheap, even brand new it's cheap, starting price is $3500 2.) It's 250cc which means it isn't real fast and you won't be able to get into huge trouble 3.) Easy to learn on before going onto a bigger, badder bike.

Here is what it looks like:
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I ran a quick search on insurance for someone who is 18 living in NY it would be about $300-$350 a year to insure the thing...that's pretty cheap considering it would be half since you wouldn't ride it 5 months out of the year.

Here are the specs on it, nothing to write home about:
http://www.starmotorcycles.com/star/products/modelspecs/24/0/specs.aspx
 
Keeping in mind that closed head injuries suck, and are more than possible even when wearing a helmet...And I know this from taking care of them professionally.
You can pick up a pretty nice Miata, for cheap. You still have the wind in your hair, room for your girl, or room for your backpack and incidentals. It's still sportier than the Blazer, and better on gas.
If you can't get over motorcycle gas mileage, buy a Chevy/Geo Metro.
They can be had cheap, have room for up to four life-size people, and get 40+ MPG.
Also easier to drive in inclement weather.
If you are set on a motorcycle, go to an NKF (National Kidney Foundation) Transplant meeting.
You can call NKF to find out when they are.
Listen really closely when the docs start talking about where they are harvesting organs.
Most of the "MVA's" (motor vehicle accidents) they talk about are car vs bike, bike vs tree or some other immovable object. And they don't take organs from survivors.
 
a good substitute
a good enough substitute

There's always only so much you can do. A rollcage and 5-point racing harness might do a better job of protecting me in my car, but I think I'll take my chances with the normal seatbelt and no cage for the sake of convenience.

If I wanted to be as safe as possible I'd just stay home.
 
Thanks, Wolfe, for your post a bit up. I didn't know about that MSE course and will look at it in the future.
And thanks, Joey, for the suggestion. Sport bike isn't set in stone, and it was only a guiding light. Small engine runabouts are also a good idea and I've heard good things about the reliabilty and ease of reparis for bikes of that type..
But for all of those talking about organ donation and what not, please stop. I personally knew someone who died on a bicyle just recently, and I don't find that funny. I'm aware of the risks all too well, and I'm also quite aware that in car vs. bike car wins. My father was and is aware of the risks, and he doesn't think that anything could hurt when I'm essentially going to be riding it to and from school.
@ Gil: I am pretty sure I couldn't afford to insure a Miata, and Geo Metros are simply something I refuse to drive.
 
I don't like motorcycles, personally. That said:

If you want one go for it. I had a co-worker who had a Bronco and like you was looking at crazy repair bills, gas prices, etc. So he bought a Harley. He also wore leathers and a full-face helmet. He used his Bronco for bad weather and hauling large items. He put saddle bags on his bike so he could haul a small grocery run. Then his wife also drove a Camry for other thing they needed.

One rainy day he was getting ready to leave and he mentioned his Bronco and this kind of hippy girl made a comment about him driving an SUV and how he was killing the Earth. This friend never, ever backs down (he still believes 9/11 was a cover-up). He grabbed a pen and paper and did the math for her. Between his combined usage of a Bronco and his bike he used roughly half the gas she did in her car.

So, for what you want a bike for you will get your benefit, but don't be like the guy that blew past me yesterday when I was a already doing 80 mph and wear protective gear. Responsible motorcyclists go years without a problem. Fools face plant into a car windshield and risk their pro football career.

Go for it, but be smart about it and you will be fine.
 
Ya know....I'm kinda getting tired of this anti-motorcyclest junk you guys keep spouting. You think that most people that swing a leg over the saddle must eventually be doing something illegal. I'm positive that everyday all of you may see hundreds of motorcyclests observing the law in every aspect. Do we here you comment on that?!...Heck no! All we here is the one time you had a jerk blast past you. Stop giving us your "I saw this one guy" stories and stick to the question at hand. Or why don't you at least add your "I saw 50 bikes today doing the speed limit and wearing all his gear" stories. [/get off your soap box]
 

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