BMW To Discontinue M5, and Z8!

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The BMW M5, AND Z8 ARE TOO BE DICONTINUED!!

The immensely successful career of two sophisticated and sporty BMW models is gradually drawing to an end. The production of both the classic Z8 Roadster and the high-performance M5 Sedan is shortly to be discontinued. At the end of June 2003 the very last batch of these fascinating cars will leave the manufacturing plants at Munich and Dingolfing.

During the three years in which it was produced, the exclusive, unlimited short-run series of the BMW Z8 captivated around 5,700 customers worldwide, including the film hero James Bond, his action movie "The World Is Not Enough" bringing worldwide acclaim to this beautiful car. The Z8 also became enormously popular as a collector's car; it now adorns the garages of numerous classic car aficionados.

At least three and a half times as many BMW M5s were produced at the Dingolfing factory: By the time production ceases, around 20,500 of these vehicles will have been manufactured and sold worldwide, making the M5, which was launched in the autumn of 1998, not only the first of its kind in the high-performance Sedan segment, but also the most successful. It's no surprise that the M5 has won numerous awards. Most recently, Automobile Magazine presented the M5 with Best Sport Sedan/Wagon in the editor's poll, for the fourth consecutive year: "BMW's soul-stirring M5 is...a 155 mph cruise missile dripping in luxury. Turn off the radio, shut down the cell phone, and pay attention. You're about to go for the ride of a century."

While 2,100 of the first generation M5s were hand-built between 1984 and 1987, the second generation was able to continue the success story with 12,000 vehicles manufactured from 1988 to 1995. Thanks mainly to the integration of the current M5 model into series production of the 5 Series at the Dingolfing plant, it was possible for the very first time to produce more than 20,000 units of this fascinating car.

Same power unit, varying concepts

As well as having the same sporting characteristics, the M5 and the Z8 have one other special thing in common - they both have the same power unit. Their identical 5-liter, high-revving V8 engine developed by BMW delivers an impressive 394 horsepower and 368 lb-ft of torque. If you shift through the six-speed manual gearbox quickly, the M5 accelerates from 0-60 mph in 4.8 seconds. Being built almost entirely of aluminum, the slightly lighter Z8 does this classic sprint in a mere 4.7 seconds.

Although both cars are equipped with the same power unit, they do differ greatly in terms of body design and concept. The Z8 presents itself as a fascinating, open two-seater, which was recently awarded the title "Classic Car Of The Future" due to its intelligently reproduced classic ambience. To drive it is to experience that authentic roadster feeling constantly accompanied by the sonorous sound of the V8 engine. It goes without saying that the Z8, currently priced at $132,195, including destination, is equipped as standard with everything needed to experience immensepower and comfort.

The M5 - "The Businessman's Express" is what a British car magazine said of this car. This is a fitting description of this high-performance Sedan. The fast four-door car behaves just as well on the motorway as it does when tackling the Ní²Ší²µrgring's northern circuit. For $71,095, including destination, customers can purchase a superior sports car that, in addition, offers convincing comfort.:(
 
Probably not - we already know BMW's basically promised a V-10 engined M5 in the next generation of the 5-series, and the Z8 is hardly near death.

Where did you happen to read this?
 
I don't beieve the V-10 engined new M5 will be as good as the current one that is just finishing off, because that car is nothing short of amazing, but i am happy about the Z8, that car was a right old joke, nothing good bout that car except for james bond....
 

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Originally posted by ZEE
I don't beieve the V-10 engined new M5 will be as good as the current one that is just finishing off, because that car is nothing short of amazing, but i am happy about the Z8, that car was a right old joke, nothing good bout that car except for james bond....
Aah, but you see your entire post sums up the legend of 'M'.

You think right now that the M5 is the greatest car in the world. Then BMW keep you waiting three years for the next one, at which point it comes out, and your jaw hits the floor, and you immediately start thinking that the previous one was a s***box all along, because this new one is the canine's cojones.

All the really good manufacturers are good at doing this.
 
Actually, Giles, many people feel that way I suppose, and BMW is certainly good at milking the cash out of them. But I'd infinitely prefer to have an E36 M3 rather than the current generation.
 
Yeah, I guess it was a little dismissive. I've always been the sort of person that respects innovation and progress. When I see people driving around in vintage cars, I'm always thinking "Why?"
 
i agree BMW, we make our jaw drop , like they always

do i think the new M5 will be a jaw dropper,

they dont redesign somtin and make ppl not like it get

my drift?? :D
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Yeah, I guess it was a little dismissive. I've always been the sort of person that respects innovation and progress. When I see people driving around in vintage cars, I'm always thinking "Why?"

Why? Nostalgia. "I remember when I had this car the first time around...." Older cars (more than 10 years) are nearly invariably inferior to an equivalent new car. Faster, more reliable, better-looking...newer is always a winnner in some category.

But the one thing that keeps old cars alive is nostalgia. Some people call it character, which I understand. A '68 GTO has way more "character" than the upcoming GTO. So how is character defined? By quirks, inadequacies, and that intangible feeling that a person gets when the fire up a Hemi V8, fling a '65 Mini into a corner, or blast a 911 2.7RS down the...whatever straight.

For example, my old Impreza 2.5RS had a far better engine note and fed far more feedback from the road. Still, my WRX could run rings around it. So what do I go for: feed the senses of sound and touch, or go for what is -- on paper -- the better car?

bOT: I really await the performance of the V10 M5, but having seen shots of the new 5-series, I'm not thrilled. Better ride? Without question; that's never been a BMW shortcoming. Would I go for the new '5, given the choice? Dunno. I'm awful attached to the way the current one looks....
 
Originally posted by Hooligan
bOT: I really await the performance of the V10 M5, but having seen shots of the new 5-series, I'm not thrilled. Better ride? Without question; that's never been a BMW shortcoming. Would I go for the new '5, given the choice? Dunno. I'm awful attached to the way the current one looks....
well said. when the 5 came out in 94 or 95 whenever, i thought it wasn't quite as nice as the 7 or e36, but then i still think the e36 is one of the most beautiful cars bmw have made. thats why i too would probably rather have that m3 than the current one. however if i couldn't find a decent second hand example i'd just go for new (providing i could afford it) since it is the better car on paper.

v10 in an m5? im sure its performance wouldn't disappoint. it might not sound as good as a v8 though, who knows. don't really see the point of increasing in cylinder size above 8, doesn't that just add weight?

i can't believe bmw would totally discontinue the m5, its current range (including the new 5) looks awful, its as if they've hired a japanese or renault stylist or something...

but like you hooligan i've grown very much attached to the current 5 now. esp since they gave it clear indicator lights rather than orange ones. it looks great and it will be a shame to see it go!
 
Originally posted by Hooligan


bOT: I really await the performance of the V10 M5, but having seen shots of the new 5-series, I'm not thrilled. Better ride? Without question; that's never been a BMW shortcoming. Would I go for the new '5, given the choice? Dunno. I'm awful attached to the way the current one looks....

I was, when it came out. It's definitely getting dated.
 
Originally posted by Nightmage82
v10 in an m5? im sure its performance wouldn't disappoint. it might not sound as good as a v8 though, who knows. don't really see the point of increasing in cylinder size above 8, doesn't that just add weight?

It's possible to have a lighter V10 than a V8. I'm sure the current Viper V10 is lighter than the old '71 Charger V8. Okay, so there isn't 30 years of growth between the previous 5-Series and the new one, but anything's possible.
 
Originally posted by Hooligan
It's possible to have a lighter V10 than a V8. I'm sure the current Viper V10 is lighter than the old '71 Charger V8. Okay, so there isn't 30 years of growth between the previous 5-Series and the new one, but anything's possible.
fair enough, but i thought even though a v10 has less cylinders it has more of them so it will require a slightly more complex system to get the valve timing right and extra exhaust pipe length and all that... i wouldn't put it past bmw to sort it out though... they seem to know about cars :D
 
ahahahahahahah i honestly dont know what i was thinking at that point... i meant even though v10 cylinders are smaller, there are more of them. providing the cc stays the same...

sorry about that!
 
well i just got road and track's monthly issue and it shows the new 5 series.
so im not sure if they would really kill the M5...
but they better not kill the m3!!!!
 
http://www.bmw2002.co.uk/news.htm This site has just about everything and anything you might wanna know about upcoming BMW's. I think BMW has gone to a 5.0 V10 so that they could get 500 HP. I dont think it should be heavier... I only see performance gains in doing this. Plus this is to show that BMW are sticking with NA engines. They could very well supercharge the current 5.0 V8 to 500 HP, but that doesnt fit the BMW style. And yes the M5 is coming out soon. Just like an M6 is gonna come out also. Still awaiting the M7.. or has it come out?
 
If you guys go to that site, you can see some news about a new M3 and M4 ( yes 4 series ) which will have the 400 hp V8 engine by 2006. Damn I love BMW :bowdown:
 
personally the Z8 sucked, the 6 series is the way to go.
 
As near as I can tell people arent willing to pay the extra money for the 4.6is and BMW is not making enough profit on that vehicle. However the 3.0i and 4.4i will still be around. Also the cheaper BMW X3 will arrive in showrooms in the near future.
 
Originally posted by delucani
As near as I can tell people arent willing to pay the extra money for the 4.6is and BMW is not making enough profit on that vehicle. However the 3.0i and 4.4i will still be around. Also the cheaper BMW X3 will arrive in showrooms in the near future.

It makes perfect sense; if they sold it as the X5-M, they'd make huge profits but because they don't, the only thing it's got going for it is a very cool bright bluish colour it comes in. Hell, it's only got a 0.2L boost over the standard V8.
 
Soo.... is BMW just going to keep introducing more and more new models until the company is no longer profitable? I always thought the 3/Roadster/5/7 lineup was sufficient, with the occasional big coupe thrown in just for fun... :confused: I mean, look at GM, the way they have a bazillion models and none of them are standouts...
 
Originally posted by CerberaLM
Soo.... is BMW just going to keep introducing more and more new models until the company is no longer profitable? I always thought the 3/Roadster/5/7 lineup was sufficient, with the occasional big coupe thrown in just for fun... :confused: I mean, look at GM, the way they have a bazillion models and none of them are standouts...
couldn't help to bring this post back up, you hit the nail right on the head cerbera. what the HELL is the 1 series coming out for? is the 3 series compact not good enough? im sure the 3 series compact was meant to rival the hot hatches out there but due to a lack of mods (im guessing) it hasn't quite worked. so they should have scrapped it.

u say 3/roadster/5/7 is enough i think even THAT is too much. in my opinion bmw should ONLY have a 3 and a 5. the 5 is big enough to seat 4 adults comfortably, isn't too big to handle like a dog and can be made superfast i.e. m5. the 3 should be cut down to be more of a race-car/roadster to how it was when the e30 was around (the one from the 80's). im prepared to compromise on the roadster since i do like the look of the new z4 but the z3 was a success (err at ruining bmw's image).
 
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