07 GTR vs 12 Black Edition GTR

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I purchased the dlc and tried the new 12 GTR ..
we all know that The new REAL 2012 gtr is 0.7 sec faster than the 2009 gtr to 60 and almost 1 sec faster in the 1/4 mile. And as the chief engineer of the gtr said the new gtr is capable of breaking the 7.20 mark on the nordshlief which makes it 10 sec faster than the old gtr!!

What i noticed in the game though that it's completely the opposite! I tried the black edition on tsukuba did like 5 or 6 laps and clocked 58.8 with all aids off except abs and an oil change .. then i purchased a brand new 07 gtr did an oil change and tried it on tsukuba just to see the difference between them i was expecting to see 2 full sec difference in lap times although the difference was almost 0.3 sec ( 59.0 ) with the same setup same player same track !!! And I believe all the players have noticed the stupid pauses between gear shifts in the 12 GTR in the game!!

so whats wrong with PD this time !!?


Lets compare the results ..


Member : ( Grip/ Aids/ ABS/ Tires/ Oil/ Trans )


UAEmonster : ( REAL/ All aids off / ABS"1" / Sport hard / Oil change / manual )


{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Topgear > . . . . . . . . . . . . 1:13:5 . . . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . . . . . 1:13:1
Nurburgring GP > . . . . . . . 2:10:8 . . . . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . . . . . 2:09:6




Dr.P : ( Real, all aids off, abs:1, Sport Hard, No oil change, Manual )

{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Custom > . . . . . . . . . . . 1:39.2 . . . . . . . . . 1:39.3 . . . . . . . . . . 1:39.1





leepangfu : ( All aids off / ABS "1" / Soft / Oil change / Auto )*


{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Nurburgring GP > . . . . . . 2:06:9 . . . . . . . . . .2:05:7 . . . . . . . . 2:06:2




Jay: ( All aids off/ ABS1 / Oil Change/ sport Hard ) *


{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Nordschleife > . . . . . . . . . . 7:16:3 . . . . . . . . . . 7:13:6 . . . . . . . . 7:11:6
Tsukuba > . . . . . . . . . . . . 0:59:0 . . . . . . . . . . . 0:58:5 . . . . . . . . 0:58:5



* : Please post all your driving setup ..
 
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Don't expect such a difference in such a small track, try giving em' a lap around a longer circuit and you should feel the time difference you expect ;)
 
As i told you a 1.5 to 2 sec around such a track is fair , as the differences between the models are very big !! a 50 more hp , better suspension setup , better Aerodynamics , better brakes , better gear response with new tune , ... etc thats the difference between the 07 model and the 2011 facelift model .. While with 2012 which also comes with 15 more hp (65 total hp pump) and even better suspension , gear ...etc So again that gives the 12 models around 0.4 - 0.5 sec advantage over the 11 facelift model !! so final results should be full 2 sec between 07 and 12 ..

Just analyze it logically , with the power pump only you will get 0.2 acceleration advantage on almost all the corners .. and lets say 0.3 with the back straight thats full sec just because of the power pump !! add to that better suspension , brakes , tires , which gives you more grip on each corner resulting 0.1 advantage on braking + 0.2 from higher speeds in corners !!

I owned a gtr and modded it so I know exactly what am talking about !
 
ok guys I will do couple runs around nurburgring GP , Spa , and a custom track. then ill post you the results ..
 
I'll test it on my supercar test track Nurb GP/F. Always test supercars on soft sport tyres on that track. Every car gets 5 laps to set a time. Current leader is the Murclielago SV with 2:04,880 and the GT-R SpecV is 5th with 2:07,318.
 
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leepangfu
I'll test it on my supercar test track Nurb GP/F. Always test supercars on soft sport tyres on that track. Every car gets 5 laps to set a time. Current leader is the Murclielago SV with 2:04,880 and the GT-R SpecV is 5th with 2:07,318.
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And where does the 2012 GT-R Black edition come on your board?
 
I think the 2012 is so much better, the 2007 model is highly criticized around here(the game version, not the real) as being to heavy and "unfun" to drive, the 2012 to me is the complete opposite, its fast and goes like stink, it handles superbly, and its exciting to drive(mind you its not Yellowbird, but its still an exciting drive). I love it.
 
I have to say that I agree with UAEmonster.
I tested my stock GT-Rs in my own track. I got 1 sec faster time with 07 GT-R than´12. (Edit Not anymore :))

And I got with SpecV also same time as 07 model. But again, there is so many changing factor that affect the time.

But what I noticed, that the old (07) GT-R is more softer than the new Black edition.
And because of that, I felt that the Black was (maybe) too aggressive and it didn't match my driving style and therefore I didn't get as good time as the old GT-R.

I felt that Black has much more potential than I did get off it. (at the moment)
But the old one is easier to drive (at the moment)

EDIT: Now I got the new GT-R to go faster, but I think it's much more handful to drive

EDIT: My track time details
1:39.190 GT-R Black edition ´12
1:39.203 GT-R ´07:
1:39.316 GT-R SpecV ´09

EDIT2: Driving specs:Grip rdct. Real, all aids off, abs:1, Sport Hard, No oil change, Manual
 
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leepangfu
I'll test it on my supercar test track Nurb GP/F. Always test supercars on soft sport tyres on that track. Every car gets 5 laps to set a time. Current leader is the Murclielago SV with 2:04.880 and the GT-R SpecV is 5th with 2:07.318
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Great test track, and sensible tyres too 👍 Do you use default settings or your own?
 
I do agree with you guys that the blk edition gtr is more fun to drive .. It even feels more stable. It actually handles, sounds and drives very real very close to the real gtr ok thats right but the problem is it barely beats the 07 model while in real life its much much faster in straight line or around corners
 
UAEmonster - I also ran 3 separate GT-R's this morning, '07, '09V-SPEC, '12, on Tsukba.
I had over a 1.2 second gap between the '07 and the '12, I did not notice the delayed gearshift. I did notice that the '07 had a better exhaust note.
 
leepangfu
I'll test it on my supercar test track Nurb GP/F. Always test supercars on soft sport tyres on that track. Every car gets 5 laps to set a time. Current leader is the Murclielago SV with 2:04,880 and the GT-R SpecV is 5th with 2:07,318.
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Tested it and the GT-R '12 got a 2:07,157 which is inbetween the 458 (2:07,230) and the Gallardo (2:07,118). Still think there's a lot of room for improvement though. The lap started bad as I went in the sand just before the starting line and I hit the sand slightly in the Schumacher S. It's harder to drive than the SpecV, but also more fun in my opinion.


RacerPaul
Great test track, and sensible tyres too 👍 Do you use default settings or your own?
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I have all assists off except for ABS at 1 and automatic transmission (started with this so while I use manual mostly now I use auto when testing cars on this track)and the cars are stock with only the sport tyres and an oil change
 
leepangfu
Tested it and the GT-R '12 got a 2:07,157 which is inbetween the 458 (2:07,230) and the Gallardo (2:07,118). Still think there's a lot of room for improvement though. The lap started bad as I went in the sand just before the starting line and I hit the sand slightly in the Schumacher S. It's harder to drive than the SpecV, but also more fun in my opinion.
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Sweeet , post the updates here plz and lets compare the results , its mid night here in UAE maybe am a bit sleepy so I got inaccurate results so ill get my results by the morning on 5 different tracks ..
 
FWIW, the GT-R's are meant to be driven with stability and traction control on, i.e. ASM on and TCS at 1.
 
The big problem here is that PD modeled the wrong transmission for the Black edition. They gave it a traditional manual instead of the dual clutch system modeled in every other GT-R in the game. Huge fail on their part. Really frustrating too, since this was a paid update.
 
Tested the GT-R '07 because I found out the SpecV I used didn't have an oil change (lower HP than the normal GT-R). Think my driving skills got better since I've posted a 2:06,9 with the GT-R '07. I couldn't believe it was faster than the 2012 model so I gave that one another shot. I improved that one to 2:06,249 in a lap where I had an awful first sector and that brings it to the second place on my board :D
 
1241Penguin
FWIW, the GT-R's are meant to be driven with stability and traction control on, i.e. ASM on and TCS at 1.
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Well i don't think that is the case... ASM and TCS in game are the same for all cars. Those are more like help for you not to emulate or simulate anything...
 
V-Spec was 4 seconds a lap quicker than 07 around Le sathe when I tested it a few weeks ago. Totally stock, all aids off (ABS1) and Sport Hard. they both destroyed everything remotely close to their PP values. Amazing cars. I will run the 2012 tonight, but from the little I have driven it, it is quicker.
 
Ok my final times around GP/F:

GT-R '07: 2:06,941
GT-R Black Edition '12: 2:06,249
GT-R SpecV '09: 2:05,744

I think PD did something wrong with this car. The 2012 version is 2 seconds faster than the 2007 version on the Top Gear Power Board which is a 1:17 lap. While here it is only 0,7 seconds faster in a lap longer than 2 minutes.

The '07 and SpecV are so much easier to drive. The 5 laps I drove with those two were very consistent while the times with the '12 varied. I'm sure that if I will give it more time and effort the 2012 version will have a quicker time than the SpecV but the fact is that it should have no problem beating it.
 
Interesting. I'll have to check this out later. I've been running a lot of cars around Le Sathe, I'll post my mediocre times later when I get the wheel back out.
 
I presume you guys have fully broken in the engines on the Black '12? A car with that power could gain 20+ horsepower after the 200 mile oil change, that would be a significant difference.
 
BrandonW77
I presume you guys have fully broken in the engines on the Black '12? A car with that power could gain 20+ horsepower after the 200 mile oil change, that would be a significant difference.
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No but the other cars didn't have their engine broken in aswell so it shouldn't influence it too much.
 
I love the new GTR 2012, im driving time trial to break the 7.20 mark. I was close until i braked a bit late in the penultimate corner after long straight and i went into the wall. I drive it fully stock, no adjustments, no tunning, no anything. Straight from the dealership store to the track. I love the challenge
 
oatmeal so good
Yeah but still very slow compared to a stock 07 GTR's shifting times. There is still power interruption, which with a dual clutch tranny, should not be there.
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I know 👎 Hopefully they will fix this come Mid January.. Because when we pay for somthing, we expect it to be done well, So I'd hope they fix it.
 

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