07 GTR vs 12 Black Edition GTR

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Im shocked really. Ive been doing power laps on tgtt and the SpecV is about 0.5 sec faster. I tried to beat my spec v time with the gtr B.E for about 30 mins but couldnt. What have nissan been doing for the last 3 years....?
 
It's kind of sad to see that they got a Golf R and Scirocco R right but they mismodeled the GT-R so badly it doesn't drive like any real GT-R in any shape or form.

Really hoping that they just edit the 2012 GT-R and fix it, but if they released a free 2013 GT-R Track Pack in January done just as high quality as the 2007 GT-R I'd be okay with that.
 
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See this videos:

GT-R '07 vs GT-R '12 (GT5 Drag)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyjxv3s8zO8

Scirocco R vs Golf R (GT5 Drag)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvTKsxeHcHI

Scirocco R vs Golf R (GT5 race)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLB_q69piy0

Scirocco R vs Golf R (real life, Drag and full race + lap Jarama circuit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9z2AIs7Ubg
-lap times at the end-

I´m trying to find a video from the Nissan´s but i can say that PD made a great job with the VW´s without a doubt.

Video from real life is in Spanish but you have to see the differences between each car and in the game and it is about the same. Amazing.
 
Holy **** I was really looking forward to this car its the only reason I got the dlc. Fully tuned I am 2 seconds faster on trial mountain in my spec v than the new one. Wtf
 
First post updated with some results ..

Any member can share his results and i will update the first post with all results we had .. please note your driving setup : Grip/ Aids/ ABS/ tires/ Oil / Trans
 
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Hunt3rj2
It's kind of sad to see that they got a Golf R and Scirocco R right but they mismodeled the GT-R so badly it doesn't drive like any real GT-R in any shape or form.

Really hoping that they just edit the 2012 GT-R and fix it, but if they released a free 2013 GT-R Track Pack in January done just as high quality as the 2007 GT-R I'd be okay with that.
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Actually, the Scirocco and Golf R's are mis-modeled as well. Both have the paddle shifters, indicating VW's DSG dual clutch transmission. Unfortunately, they both behave like traditional manuals in the game just like the GT-R black.

:sick::grumpy::ouch:
 
UAEmonster
And I believe all the players have noticed the stupid pauses between gear shifts in the 12 GTR in the game!!
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That right there is the problem. The 2012 GT-R in real life has almost instantaneous gearshifts, as shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtrUSa7DexU&t=1m52s

Compare this to the GT5 equivalent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyjxv3s8zO8&t=32s

...and then compare that to GT5's '07 GT-R which has much quicker gearshifts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_MAK4uWfxA&t=1m2s

Yet another glaring inaccuracy by PD *sigh*.
 
I have found the 2012 GT-R no doubt faster than the 07 GT-R on all tracks I tested but the Spec V was much closer.

A couple examples (New, oil change and wash, stock everything including SH tyres)

Tsukuba:
2012 GT-R 58.549
2007 GT-R 59.023
Spec V GT-R 58.595

Nordschleife:
2012 GT-R 7'11.686
2007 GT-R 7'16.353
Spec V GT-R 7'13.657

I find the Spec V to handle maybe a tiny bit faster but loses out on the power department (corner exit and straights). For tighter circuits the slower shifting speed in the first 3 gears does hinder the 2012 a little also in comparison.
 
Jay
I have found the 2012 GT-R no doubt faster than the 07 GT-R on all tracks I tested but the Spec V was much closer.

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With 70 bhp more and 10 kgs less than the `07 GT-R , the `12 GT-R should be faster , don´t you think ?


raVer
 
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With 70 bhp more and 10 kgs less than the `07 GT-R , the `12 GT-R should be faster , don´t you think ?


raVer
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Never indicated it shouldn't, just posting my findings from tests, not theory.

Also pointing out the difference between the 2007 GT-R and the 2012 GT-R is larger for me than it has been for some others in this thread.
 
Jay
(New, oil change and wash, stock everything including SH tyres)
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Can you plz state all your driving setup including the grip : real / normal and the trans Auto/Manual ..

Updated the first post ..
 
I really wish they just held off on releasing this DLC at all and instead released properly modeled vehicles with no transmission funny business, and instead of a 2012 GT-R I wish they bothered getting out a 2013 instead...
 
UAEmonster
Can you plz state all your driving setup including the grip : real / normal and the trans Auto/Manual ..

Updated the first post ..
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Oh I didn't realise you were taking records, only thought you posted your own (did read close enough). Sorry not interested in having my times listed in a database, I only posted them as reference to what I was saying about the performance differences.
 
So damn is bug in GT-R '12 bad Gear! PLEASE FIX !

my test time lap:
top gear: (stock): S1 - Sport Hard Tyres:

[S1] -1.14.888 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 '07 - 470hp - 1740kg - 4WD [P] - 529pp
[S1] -1.15.621 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 '12 - 525hp - 1730kg - 4WD [P] - 545pp

:( GT-R '12 is bug Gear! please fix it i cant drive '12 is **** gear :(((((((((((

Real Top Gear:

1:17.8 - Nissan GTR (2012 / MY2011)
1:19.7 - Nissan GT-R
 
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Without doing anything to a scientific degree, and everything stock apart from all receiving an oil change, I did try out all the GT-R's last night around Tsukuba and I personally feel the GT-R SpecV '09 is the best of them all. The Black Edition '12 has more power but through the corners the SpecV is more composed and suffers with less under-steer.

It would be interesting to see how I can compare the performance on the Nurburgring since it has a lot power sections suited to the Black Edition '12 and twisty sections more suited to the SpecV '09.

EDIT: Yep, basically what Jay said at the top of this page.
 
Jay
Oh I didn't realise you were taking records, only thought you posted your own (did read close enough). Sorry not interested in having my times listed in a database, I only posted them as reference to what I was saying about the performance differences.
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It's ok my friend .. Am not collecting records for anything I just wanted to see how the car performed compared to the other GTRs in the game through sharing records so that we get the right picture of what's happening is it just me or it's actually modeled the wrong way in the game. That's why i did this thread , my purpose was to show how good and bad it is, where are the wrong parts and note them so that people know and notice them. And I think all the players have the clear image now so that's it I think :)
 
Gturbo5
So damn is bug in GT-R '12 bad Gear! PLEASE FIX !

my test time lap:
top gear: (stock): S1 - Sport Hard Tyres:

[S1] -1.14.888 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 '07 - 470hp - 1740kg - 4WD [P] - 529pp
[S1] -1.15.621 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 '12 - 525hp - 1730kg - 4WD [P] - 545pp

:( GT-R '12 is bug Gear! please fix it i cant drive '12 is **** gear :(((((((((((

Real Top Gear:

1:17.8 - Nissan GTR (2012 / MY2011)
1:19.7 - Nissan GT-R
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Isn't fixed when you install dual cluch plates?
 
I tuned all 3 to 550PP using same parts, same settings, RS tyres.
Did time trial round trial mountain
The B.E was fastest then V spec, then 07. although it was very close between v spec and B.E the Vspec was more consistant.
The original GT-R was such a sorted car in the first place, would 50 more hp in an already 500~hp car make much of a difference around a track anyway???

Edit: Just did the same with GT Academy GT-R and was only 0.1 sec slower than B.E in only half as many laps.
Ithink it will beat it in a 5 lap race as it is more consistant!

Edit 2: Found out that putting all aero except rear wing on B.E gives better turn in and traction on the front for no extra PP - Just blitzed the fastest lap by 0.4 sec!!!
 
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UAEmonster
I purchased the dlc and tried the new 12 GTR ..
we all know that The new REAL 2012 gtr is 0.7 sec faster than the 2009 gtr to 60 and almost 1 sec faster in the 1/4 mile. And as the chief engineer of the gtr said the new gtr is capable of breaking the 7.20 mark on the nordshlief which makes it 10 sec faster than the old gtr!!

What i noticed in the game though that it's completely the opposite! I tried the black edition on tsukuba did like 5 or 6 laps and clocked 58.8 with all aids off except abs and an oil change .. then i purchased a brand new 07 gtr did an oil change and tried it on tsukuba just to see the difference between them i was expecting to see 2 full sec difference in lap times although the difference was almost 0.3 sec ( 59.0 ) with the same setup same player same track !!! And I believe all the players have noticed the stupid pauses between gear shifts in the 12 GTR in the game!!

so whats wrong with PD this time !!?

Lets compare the results ..

Member : ( Grip/ Aids/ ABS/ Tires/ Oil/ Trans )

UAEmonster : ( REAL/ All aids off / ABS"1" / Sport hard / Oil change / manual )

{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Topgear > . . . . . . . . . . . . 1:13:5 . . . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . . . . . 1:13:1
Nurburgring GP > . . . . . . . 2:10:8 . . . . . . . . . . . - . . . . . . . . . . . 2:09:6

Dr.P : ( Real, all aids off, abs:1, Sport Hard, No oil change, Manual )

{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Custom > . . . . . . . . . . . 1:39.2 . . . . . . . . . 1:39.3 . . . . . . . . . . 1:39.1

leepangfu : ( All aids off / ABS "1" / Soft / Oil change / Auto )*

{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Nurburgring GP > . . . . . . 2:06:9 . . . . . . . . . .2:05:7 . . . . . . . . 2:06:2

Jay: ( All aids off/ ABS1 / Oil Change/ sport Hard ) *

{ Track } . . . . . . . . . . . 07 GTR . . . . . . . . . SpecV . . . . . . . . . 12 GTR

Nordschleife > . . . . . . . . . . 7:16:3 . . . . . . . . . . 7:13:6 . . . . . . . . 7:11:6
Tsukuba > . . . . . . . . . . . . 0:59:0 . . . . . . . . . . . 0:58:5 . . . . . . . . 0:58:5

* : Please post all your driving setup ..
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Odd, I think two good laps around the ring will show the differences, try fully hotted up and brand new, I tested them both around the Eiger Nordwand Short Track, and my recorded GT-R '07 turned up and broken in was beat first try with a new GT-R '12, an iota over 1min (milliseconds), so I think it should be better all things being equal.
 
phil_75
I tuned all 3 to 550PP using same parts, same settings, RS tyres.
Did time trial round trial mountain
The B.E was fastest then V spec, then 07. although it was very close between v spec and B.E the Vspec was more consistant.
The original GT-R was such a sorted car in the first place, would 50 more hp in an already 500~hp car make much of a difference around a track anyway???
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sure it makes difference , specially in such a stable car .. 50 more hp gives you better acceleration which means getting faster out of corners and straight line which means faster time laps ..
 
All of this talk is useless because the 2012 GTR in the game isnt a 2012 GTR. Wait a few weeks for them to fix it, then run the comparison tests.
 

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