1 Of A Kind (S/C Type-S)

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Since its introduction, many of us Type S guys have been looking for more power besides the bolt on's. Many looked towards Turbos, but there's not enough room, and the only one's with superchargers were 3.2L TL's. Now, we have 1 man attempting the impossible. A supercharger on a 3.5L Type-S.

The test subject is a 2007 6-speed manual model.
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The battery is slightly modified to hold it as well as the engine cover. The only mod on this subject is the XLR 8 Non Resonated Exhaust. ACM has been cracked as well. However, there is still much to be done regarding everything else including the tranny.

Lucky for me & some others, the 3G auto tranny is pretty solid (thanks to Acura correcting the problems of the 2G tranny) and should hold out with a few mods. Expected power out put for the subject though is 320-350Bhp. :D

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You can read the full thread here:
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703021

More pics & vids here:
http://s435.photobucket.com/albums/qq73/s_heng_62/?start=0
Note* All post s/c pics/vids are before the drive by/in car vids.

Quite a technical marvel for the TL-S guys.
 
Interesting. You going to do the supercharger? I just hope you decide to do it and then decide to make the supercharger whine loud (*see 2003 Mustang Cobra or C230 Kompressor).
 
I'd like to, but I've gotta see someone else do it on a 5AT first to see if the transmission's strong enough. The whine will be loud, though. In fact, very loud.


 
You know you're driving a real man's car when the supercharger whine is louder than the engine. Supercharger whine can never be too loud. The louder it is, the more power you're making, and therefore the louder it is the better it is.
 
I'm curious as to how putting a supercharger on a car is a big deal.

I could understand if you were putting one on your car and made a build thread or something, but...
 
Perfect Balance
I'm curious as to how putting a supercharger on a car is a big deal.

I could understand if you were putting one on your car and made a build thread or something, but...
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Because 3.5L Type S' do not have the engine space to hold such a modification until now. Most of us would not buy this b/c no one wants to waste $5K on a hunch it will fit & work properly. There's still much to be done, so none of us at A-Zine are even sure the supercharger will still run properly over a long period of time.
 
Reventón;3292515
Because 3.5L Type S' do not have the engine space to hold such a modification until now. Most of us would not buy this b/c no one wants to waste $5K on a hunch it will fit & work properly. There's still much to be done, so none of us at A-Zine are even sure the supercharger will still run properly over a long period of time.
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It is bolted in the car right now is it not? Seems like there was enough space. I can see someone having to make a custom supercharger to fit the car, but that's how they all are until a manufacturer comes out with a kit.


I'd expect someone to do it sooner or later, knowing the kind of stuff that's been done before.

EDIT: I'm guessing they didn't really "create" more space in the engine bay, they just designed a supercharger to fit around it.

Just like any other company that has ever made a bolt on kit for any other car...
 
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Not without making modifications, or did you not read the first post? The battery had to be modified, and I can already tell it had to be shoe-horned in there with a custom built belt to make it run.
 
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Not without making modifications, or did you not read the first post? The battery had to be modified, and I can already tell it had to be shoe-horned in there with a custom built belt to make it run.
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The battery can be replaced with a tiny one, or completely moved to a different place very easily, that's not exactly an issue. Custom modification is a given for pretty much any new item on the market until someone comes out with a production piece.

I think what you've done is over reacted to something that's been done thousands of times before.;)
 
I can move a battery pretty easily. And you can buy belts in any size you can think of. Period, and if you need a little change, pulleys normally allow for a little play.

The room was pretty much there, just a minor change. It is not like they gutted the bay, put the radiator several inches more forward, or cut into the firewall.

The bigger issue, from what I am reading, pertains to the ECU and drive by wire BS.
 
Perfect Balance
The battery can be replaced with a tiny one, or completely moved to a different place very easily, that's not exactly an issue. Custom modification is a given for pretty much any new item on the market until someone comes out with a production piece.

I think what you've done is over reacted to something that's been done thousands of times before.;)
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Are you purposely just trying to be a nay-sayer? This thread is about someone finally attempting to supercharge a TL-S after the part's been on the market for 4+ years b/c the rest of us are too afraid to try it ourselves.

If you don't like it, then just don't come in the thread.

Just for reference, here's a s/c vs stock shot.
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It doesn't take a genius to see that room was a major issue in the front & to the left.
 
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Are you purposely just trying to be a nay-sayer?
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No, I just genuinely feel that this is not even slightly more special than any other time someone has had to do some modification to get something to work, and I'm expressing my opinion on the matter.


Reventón
It doesn't take a genius to see that room was a major issue in the front & to the left.
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You do realize that's just a bunch of plastic covers to make it look nicer?
 
Look towards the front....If you can't see what's been removed, or such, then why bother to continue posting? You don't think it's great, then move on.
 
The coolant overflow and some coolant lines.

Okay?

Pretty normal in most all installs that involve forced induction.
 
To my eyes, It actually looks like the supercharged version has less space than it does in the non supercharged version.
 
Whatever, then. It doesn't interest you, you've made your points, so you can move on. I'll post an update when we get more.
 
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Whatever, then. It doesn't interest you, you've made your points, so you can move on. I'll post an update when we get more.
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Don't be upset because we pointed out that this is a pretty normal looking build. Because it is.

You just seem to be taking it personally because this is the car you drive.

And, on a side note, seems people already believe the auto can't hold up to the torque, so that may answer that.
 
Based on the TL that came before it, which liked to detonate at random intervals, my initial hypothesis would be that the slushbox wouldn't be able to handle it either. Of course, there probably isn't any correct connection between the two... But I can make conclusions however I want!

Interesting build-up though. I had no idea there was that much of a demand for forced-induction TLs. I'd have figured they'd make up breathe a bit better first, and maybe go down the turbo route.

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Why not do those fancy rear-mounted turbos that they're sticking on Mustangs and Camaros (and whatever else) these days? Surely they could bolt those up to a TL?
 
Now, if you wanted to go Turbo, you could try putting the turbine further back along the exhaust - I have seen this before - and routing it back up to the engine. However, I'm glad you guys have figured out a good way to get forced induction under the hood.

EDIT: did not notice YSS's comment, thus thunder is stolen.
 
YSSMAN
Based on the TL that came before it, which liked to detonate at random intervals, my initial hypothesis would be that the slushbox wouldn't be able to handle it either. Of course, there probably isn't any correct connection between the two... But I can make conclusions however I want!
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Actually, because if the 2G problems, the auto tranny on the 3G TL is very strong. No one's sure if it could handle the supercharger without any mods, but it shouldn't be out the question. It's a pretty smart transmission when you try to push it.
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Why not do those fancy rear-mounted turbos that they're sticking on Mustangs and Camaros (and whatever else) these days? Surely they could bolt those up to a TL?
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I'm not sure how'd that work on the Type-S, though we do have turbo TL's. However, and yes, this is pretty much true, a turbo setup is much more expensive than the supercharger. All the turbo TL's I've seen were universal kits, and required quite a lot more modifications for them to work compared to the supercharger.
 
YSSMAN
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Why not do those fancy rear-mounted turbos that they're sticking on Mustangs and Camaros (and whatever else) these days? Surely they could bolt those up to a TL?
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but these rear mounted turbos you're seeing around are just a bad idea. You're adding a very expensive kit by the time you account for the turbo, asscociated plumbing, fuel and engine management. Because they're so far away from both the intake and the turbo, you'd also get horrible turbo lag and gaping inefficiencies once you account for the distance the exhaust and intake air have got to travel.
 
There's a reason not many people have the rear-mounted kits. While they're undoubtedly cool from a "stealth" point of view... usability, simplicity, reliability and engine response are just terribly compromised.

I'm wondering if a scroll-type compressor would work with that big of an engine... though a roots-type seems more the norm... I'm contemplating prototyping a scroll compressor system for my car (Rotrex now has universal scrolls, which should be nearly as easy to install as turbos), but the cost is phenomenally high compared to a turbo (I can get an original Japanese turbo for 1/3rd the price).
 
Perhaps that's why I've only seen the rear-mount stuff done on V8-powered cars?

Not the best idea, I knew that from the get-go, but I figured it'd be easier than the whole "lets see if a supercharger fits" dance.
 
YSSMAN
Perhaps that's why I've only seen the rear-mount stuff done on V8-powered cars?

Not the best idea, I knew that from the get-go, but I figured it'd be easier than the whole "lets see if a supercharger fits" dance.
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It may be "easier" but it's just not anywhere as cheap. Slicks' also spot on with it. Even with a rear mounted one, it's been shown it would be too low to the ground and would cause massive amounts of lag. There other major problem is that the headers on TL's are cast onto the motor, so new down-pipes would need to be fabricated to make the turbo work properly. And then there's the tuning...It simply won't happen anytime soon on the Type S unless the engine bay is suddenly spaced out.
 
Actually, having the exhaust manifold cast in makes turbine placement simple... On the Honda R18, which has a cast-in manifold, you simply plug the turbo into the manifold, and attach a downpipe to it... done!

The major problem with the Honda V6 is the incredibly small clearance between the manifold and the radiator (if the TL is anything like the Accord), which Honda got away with because of the ultra-slim exhaust manifold.
 
good idea if you dont have the space but the inlet piping will be wayyyy too long so you get boost drop and a sharp increase in inlet temp, and then theres no place for a intercooler, if you're suffering from a lack of space how about a high mount supercharger and then the only major modifcation would be to modify the bonnet to get it to fit under the bonnet, after all looking like a sleeper wont really work when you can hear the whine before the car,

to those people who are bagging the idea, a little bit of encouragement guys, have you done anything like this or do you tool around in standard cars, a "normal" build to me is making a cold air induction system or adding bolt on bits. if someone is doing something different applaude them otherwise we'd all be riding horses
 
Well, if nobody were doing anything different, we'd all be riding Hondas. :lol: Just kidding. It's an interesting build in its own right, and I hope it works out for you gus.

The main problem with a supercharger kit is the large costs involved in prototyping and tooling up. I've seen kits like this that promised to lead us to the... errh... promised land of supercharging... for other cars, but many don't pan out commercially, because when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is, customers evaporate.
 

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