2 seconds behind / Help to improve

[Antek]

Hi,
No matter what circuit I play or whatever car I choose, pretty much always I’m 2 second behind Top10 Fastest Drivers.
I do laps and laps but when I get to the point where the gap is 2 seconds, can’t improve anymore. I usually watch some of the top 10 replays and I could say that I have the same driving line and taking turns with same gears but one thing I can see different is the braking point. For me it’s impossible to break at the sane point those fast guys do. If I try to do it I’m always out of the line (mostly out of the track), I have to break like 50 0 100 meters before. For example at Monza on the straight I have to brake around 150m and looking at replays I see they break almost at 50m.
What I cannot see from the replays, is the break balance they’ve used. Could a different break balance make such a difference? The only assisst that I use is ABS on default. Is it better on weak?
Any advice on how to improve those braking points is appreciated

 

[FUNanywhere]

Break at 50m at Monza. No way. Thats not possible.

 

[Sean Renon]

Hi,
No matter what circuit I play or whatever car I choose, pretty much always I’m 2 second behind Top10 Fastest Drivers.
I do laps and laps but when I get to the point where the gap is 2 seconds, can’t improve anymore. I usually watch some of the top 10 replays and I could say that I have the same driving line and taking turns with same gears but one thing I can see different is the braking point. For me it’s impossible to break at the sane point those fast guys do. If I try to do it I’m always out of the line (mostly out of the track), I have to break like 50 0 100 meters before. For example at Monza on the straight I have to brake around 150m and looking at replays I see they break almost at 50m.
What I cannot see from the replays, is the break balance they’ve used. Could a different break balance make such a difference? The only assisst that I use is ABS on default. Is it better on weak?
Any advice on how to improve those braking points is appreciated

I hate to brake it to you, but what you're seeing is replay lag.
These drivers are not braking drastically later than you, they're braking around the same time, maybe slightly later if they trail brake well.

Don't sweat it, getting nearly as good as the best drivers is easy, but getting that last 10% speed is 1000% harder than what you've already accomplished.

I'm in the same boat as you, roughly 2 seconds back of the #1 time on longer tracks - and all it really is is corner exit speeds, the faster drivers seem to find ways to get out of corners faster than I do, or to take the technical corners faster than I do.

If you watch a live stream of these drivers you'll see that the brake points are basically what you already have.

 

[Jamie Bbbbb]

I wouldn't know much about it myself, but I think that those last two seconds, which I am also short of, are found by mastering the fine details in driving - mid-corner adjustments of all three inputs.

 

[puupke]

Brake balance does make a difference depending on car and track. And also listen to you're tyres i think, you don't want to overdo it. When i sometimes watch some streamers, the screaming of the tyres is awfull, slower is faster in a way, be gentle with everything. Memorize what you did good and bad on last lap, and make the lap more perfect as you drive.
But i'm not the fastest either but closer then 2 sec.
Btw if you're shifting manually you can brake slightly later, abs default for me. Dont know about others.

 

[Lion-Face]

Often braking earlier is better. You will be in more control and a better position to get a better drive out of the corner. If you can record your gameplay and post it, we would have a better idea of where you are going wrong and be able to better help out.

 

[Grogley]

2 seconds takes a while but once you have done it you find yourself within one second quickly. But then you need to invest in a wheel which i have not, so i just sit within 1 second. Also, if you take your best lap, there will be corners you hit perfect, but you probably do it 1 out of 5 hits. Take the number of corners on a circuit like say 10-15. if you can make up 0.1 on every corner, there is your 1 second. Im sure you will do it you just need to hit the tracks more. Oh, and to help pick the fastest cars.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Often braking earlier is better. You will be in more control and a better position to get a better drive out of the corner. If you can record your gameplay and post it, we would have a better idea of where you are going wrong and be able to better help out.

^This. Braking late isn't always the best. A good example is T1 at Monza. I notice most people would brake at the 100 marker. I'd brake at the white line slightly before that marker, and because of that I can set myself up to turn in earlier and maximize the first chicane (two outside wheels on the curb)
But if you think you really need to brake later than you already do, try to learn trail braking

 

[Ssj4]

Hi,
No matter what circuit I play or whatever car I choose, pretty much always I’m 2 second behind Top10 Fastest Drivers.
I do laps and laps but when I get to the point where the gap is 2 seconds, can’t improve anymore. I usually watch some of the top 10 replays and I could say that I have the same driving line and taking turns with same gears but one thing I can see different is the braking point. For me it’s impossible to break at the sane point those fast guys do. If I try to do it I’m always out of the line (mostly out of the track), I have to break like 50 0 100 meters before. For example at Monza on the straight I have to brake around 150m and looking at replays I see they break almost at 50m.
What I cannot see from the replays, is the break balance they’ve used. Could a different break balance make such a difference? The only assisst that I use is ABS on default. Is it better on weak?
Any advice on how to improve those braking points is appreciated

Hello, i am in the sa me case that You always between 1,5 and 2s or the round of the top 10 on any track. But for you to know it is Worth soft tire it is noticed at their replay it is a bing glitch. And i have replay that demonstrates is. And you'll see menbers or the top 10 usually com To insult me intelligently for not that its spreads And i had guys on psn that insulted me because i really discovered glitch.

 

[Alfabob46]

Hello, i am in the sa me case that You always between 1,5 and 2s or the round of the top 10 on any track. But for you to know it is Worth soft tire it is noticed at their replay it is a bing glitch. And i have replay that demonstrates is. And you'll see menbers or the top 10 usually com To insult me intelligently for not that its spreads And i had guys on psn that insulted me because i really discovered glitch.

Please show is your replay that demonstrates this bing glitch, I would love to see what your trying to speak about.

 

[jimbo197]

I'm AS driver rating, but since switching to chase camera, I've beating quite a few SS guys in the races and had a couple of Top 10 laps (even with auto gearbox and TC on). A definite noticable improvement and will be SS soon now because of it.

Chase camera looks lame and takes a few laps to get used to, but its much easier in that view to find lines that carry more speed even if it feels less precise.

Also makes it much easier to judge traffic around you. Highly recommend trying it at least.

 

[Macboyilija]

Do also not forget that not everybody can get to the top.

 

[aureliocr]

Do also not forget that not everybody can get to the top.

Top ten motivational posts of all time.

 

[Macboyilija]

Fair enough. Did not mean it so bad as it may seemed. But to be honest your post seemed to simply ask what to do to get in the top 10 but it just doesnt work like that.

If I am within 2 seconds of the top I am super super proud of myself. Especially in 2 min courses. Sometimes I am one second close to the top. When I look back the replay I seem to do everything the same. So its not that simple.

I do realise however that the top sometimes drive with different aids and sometimes with controller. So there is no point for me trying to reach that.

For the rest: missing 1 second is not gained in 1 corner but sometimes is a result of 10 corners with 0,1 second which could be affected by braking/gas at the same time or steering input. Small things you dont see in the replay.

Hope this is more clear and sorry for the non-motivating post.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Top ten motivational posts of all time.

It's all great being motivating, but the flip side belongs there as well.

 

[Renrag39]

Join the wrs time trials! It turned me from mediocre to competitive.
Great help and info from our resident aliens and plenty of banter.

 

[Ssj4]

Hello, i am in the sa me case that You always between 1,5 and 2s or the round of the top 10 on any track. But for you to know it is Worth soft tire it is noticed at their replay it is a bing glitch. And i have replay that demonstrates is. And you'll see menbers or the top 10 usually com To insult me intelligently for not that its spreads And i had guys on psn that insulted me because i really discovered glitch.

I dreaw some S S in my lobby and i have the same settings as in the sport mode. No configuration car parameter and BOP activate and only soft tire and in logic he should and Faster than their time in sports mode 1,5 or 2s and well no he had exactly the same time as when he was in sport mode, and more i beat them a few tenths there have raged, done is testing and you will see well. I've been working on it for a while in the shadows already i'm really waiting for the right moment To reveal everything. I come here for if you want to work with me on the subject and invite you on private lobby.

 

[Sander 001]

Weak ABS does seem much better and resisting the urge to slam on the brakes also helps.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Weak ABS does seem much better and resisting the urge to slam on the brakes also helps.

Might try this. I already modulate my brakes all the time (Coming from no ABS in GT6) so maybe I'll find the final tenths there
EDIT: I tried Weak ABS on lobbies for a whole day, and honestly I was slower in it
In Dragon Trail my times went up from 1:37-1:38 to 1:40-1:41 (RH, BoP, tuning allowed mostly)
I guess it's back to default for me

 

[petesj26]

I went from ABS weak to default. I found that overall my speed improved as I was less likely to slide the car. More helpful in the race than quali laps but I found I could trail brake more easily.

Each to their own, I might switch back now my braking technique has improved a bit more with time.

My main tip would be to add the people you are racing in sport mode as friends. If I have some good races with someone and we get chatting I add them. If they have a better quali time than me it's a target. So during a weekend I'm trying to find 0.2s not 2.0s. This has really helped me climb from 6s behind the top10 to 2s and I'm still getting closer. As somebody earlier posted, it's about finding 0.1s on every corner and it's hard!

Edit: another bit of advice is one that works in mountain biking but it's a bit sketchy. If you want to go through a corner faster just throw yourself into it faster. If you survive. That's how it's done.

 

[prttoettoet]

Hi everybody, I am not good at the game but i'm having fun . I'm between 4 and 6 seconds behind the top 10. I can't drive manual and without tcs on 2. . What are possible best times?

Greetings
Prttoettoet.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Hi everybody, I am not good at the game but i'm having fun . I'm between 4 and 6 seconds behind the top 10. I can't drive manual and without tcs on 2. . What are possible best times?

Greetings
Prttoettoet.

For starters, try to get gold on circuit experience, it'd set you up to be around 2-3 seconds away from Top 10. And speaking of Top 10, watch their replays. Getting the gist of how they drive on that specific track will help you a lot. And try to use a friendly car, like a Corvette for Gr. 3 and a Huracan for Gr. 4

 

[anthaliscious]

A lot of it comes down to track knowledge as well, being confident in a corner being able to hit it the same way lap after lap. Consistency is key to being quick too, you need to find a rythem and pace for the track. Don’t do 1 lap, mess up and restart. And the circuit experience helps a lot to with detail on how to execute specific corners.

 

[Antek]

Thanks to the advices yesterday I ended around 1.5 sec behind top 10 on Alsace with the Subaru. I tried trail break a bit, need a lot more practice. And at some corners breaking early lets you start accelerating early

 

[Pedinhuh]

Are you using a wheel or a DS4?

 

[Antek]

Are you using a wheel or a DS4?

I use a wheel, Fanatec CSL Elite, with Loadcell Break. No assists, ABS default (still have to try Weak setting)

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Thanks to the advices yesterday I ended around 1.5 sec behind top 10 on Alsace with the Subaru. I tried trail break a bit, need a lot more practice. And at some corners breaking early lets you start accelerating early

That is great. Ok, be honest ... the comments from @Macboyilija and me, that you probably just aren't that fast, took so much pressure from you so that your times improved !

 

[prttoettoet]

For starters, try to get gold on circuit experience, it'd set you up to be around 2-3 seconds away from Top 10. And speaking of Top 10, watch their replays. Getting the gist of how they drive on that specific track will help you a lot. And try to use a friendly car, like a Corvette for Gr. 3 and a Huracan for Gr. 4

Hi Alpha Cider,
I'm not a starter, just slow . I have gold on everything.
Soms examples:
Circuit Yamagiwa: gold: 1.41.2 I: 1.37.3 best: 1.31.3
Brands Hatch: gold: 1.27.7 I: 1.26.6 best: 1.22.0
Interlagos: gold: 1.39.00 I: 1.38.4 ( I can do better) best 1.30.2
I'm driving consistent, even has wun 8 races but are too slow. I have watched a lot of movies (Z28) and are driving the correct lines (I think ). I must drive races because I have no time to practice, but I don't get quicker.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Hi Alpha Cider,
I'm not a starter, just slow . I have gold on everything.
Soms examples:
Circuit Yamagiwa: gold: 1.41.2 I: 1.37.3 best: 1.31.3
Brands Hatch: gold: 1.27.7 I: 1.26.6 best: 1.22.0
Interlagos: gold: 1.39.00 I: 1.38.4 ( I can do better) best 1.30.2
I'm driving consistent, even has wun 8 races but are too slow. I have watched a lot of movies (Z28) and are driving the correct lines (I think ). I must drive races because I have no time to practice, but I don't get quicker.

Cool! You're on the right track
If time is your problem, I suggest picking your favorite tracks and only practice/race there. Some days you can't do races if your favorite track isn't on Sport mode, but you can use your time for that day instead to practice. If you can gold circuit experiences, you're already mostly on the correct racing line, and it would all come down to perfecting those lines. Try to take more speed through corners, brake later, or earlier. Experiment how much you can brake, and how early you can put on the gas. I know it's going to be repetitive, and you'll find yourself practicing more than racing at times, but hang in there! I trust you can do it

 

[Macboyilija]

That is great. Ok, be honest ... the comments from @Macboyilija and me, that you probably just aren't that fast, took so much pressure from you so that your times improved !

Lol. But just to make sure, I am not (much) faster than Antek. Usually within 1-2 seconds from #10.