2006 German Grand Prix

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mipuumal
Michael Schumacher isn't my idol and even I know that he has 89 career wins.

Thanks for pointing that out! I was meaning career victories with Ferrari! I clearly used the wrong choice of words :D

MS
 
amp88
Raikkonen did well to stay ahead of Webber as he left the pits after his third stop on cold tyres.
I missed this before, but I’ll mention it anyway: F1 cars have tyre warmers. ;)
 
i heard thetire warmers arent very effective/don't make much of a difference. do they?
 
I think both the Toyota's did a fantastic job yesterday 👍

Ralf drove 4th fastest lap and Trulli 5th fastest lap and Trulli set even the highest speed before the hairpin 👍

Looks like that new contract pays off, and after yesterday, Williams will be dreaming of those Toyota engines 👍
 
It seems incredible if you consider the situation a month ago, but Renault really do seem to be in serious trouble now. Even at their most dominant they haven’t won as convincingly as Ferrari did yesterday (pretty much coasting for most of the second half) – Renault have only had a single 1-2 since the beginning of 2005 (Malaysia this year I think), and even then Alonso only finished about 5 seconds ahead of Button in 3rd.
Furthermore, Alonso only won one more race after this point in 2005 - the last race in China.
Even if they (and Michelin) claw back some performance now, it may not be enough to stop Ferrari if they can hold it together, and we all know that when Ferrari's on a charge...
 
I find it interesting that Renault have only won one race since flexi-wings were banned, and that was at the ultra-low downforce Canadian circuit.

Oh, and while we're on the subject, both Midlands got disqualified for failing the flexi wing test.
 
Yeah I heard it.

BTW: Did the SA06 chassis of Super Aguri entered in Germany? I thought they said so but the car still looks like the Arrows 👎
 
Yamamoto crashed his in Saturday warmup so had to use the old car. Sato was running the SA06 but didn't last long in the race.
 
Blake
I missed this before, but I’ll mention it anyway: F1 cars have tyre warmers. ;)

Come on Blake, give me some credit at least. I know they have tyre warmers, but they don't get heat all the way trough the carcass of the tyre and they don't get the tyre as hot as it should be in normal running conditions.
 
DQuaN
Yamamoto crashed his in Saturday warmup so had to use the old car. Sato was running the SA06 but didn't last long in the race.

Yamamoto crashed his SA06 in Saturday practice, qualified the SA05, but then raced the SA06. He went out on lap 1 with half-shaft failure. Sato raced the SA06, and lasted until lap 38, retiring with an oil leak. Not too bad really.
 
GilesGuthrie
Sato raced the SA06, and lasted until lap 38, retiring with an oil leak. Not too bad really.
And Sato was ahead of a Midland for most of that, so not a bad debut for the new car.
 
I wanted the competition to get tighter and it has. Looked to me like the folks on Bridgestones really enjoyed this race. Renault can probably climb back on top if Michelin rebounds.

After the race, Kimi listed off about 10 things wrong with his car, from the gear box to the hydraulics to the fuel sensor etc. etc. Not to mention that his car was actually on fire shortly after crossing the finish line. So many things had gone wrong with his car that the announcer had to remind him that once again he lost 5 seconds due to McLaren's terrible terrible pit crew. The guy can't get through a race without getting screwed in the pits at least once. It's near miraculous that he managed a 3rd after all of the screw-ups. Still, I doubt he'd have maintained with Ferrari had nothing gone wrong. The Ferraris just walked away with the race.

I was hoping for a better finish for Scott Speed, but at least he finished.
 
Yeah, Ferrari were running 2 seconds off their ultimate pace for much of the race.
 
Gabkicks
i heard thetire warmers arent very effective/don't make much of a difference. do they?
They heat the tyres to around 90°C, as opposed to the ~25°C that they’d be in ambient conditions.
amp88
Come on Blake, give me some credit at least. I know they have tyre warmers, but they don't get heat all the way trough the carcass of the tyre and they don't get the tyre as hot as it should be in normal running conditions.
Well the Michelin Sport website says that “An F1 tyre reaches peak performance at an operating temperature of almost 100°C.” If you couple that with the fact that tyre warmers have them sitting at around 90°C then you can say that Kimi had a tyre that was pretty much in its peak (especially if it was green). :p
GilesGuthrie
Yeah, Ferrari were running 2 seconds off their ultimate pace for much of the race.
It’s scary, they basically had “2004, let’s go 1 second faster than anyone else” performance.
 
danoff
The guy can't get through a race without getting screwed in the pits at least once.

Kimi won't need to worry about these kind of problems if he heads to Ferrari next year :D

MS
 
He's more likely to get screwed over at Ferrari, specially if he gets himself into positions where he can beat Michael, and dont forget about the automatic off switch that comes standard with every number 2 Ferrari drivers car.
 
If Kimi goes to Ferrari, he will be the future of that team. They cannot afford to treat him like a number 2 driver if he teams up with Michael.
 
east
He's more likely to get screwed over at Ferrari, specially if he gets himself into positions where he can beat Michael, and dont forget about the automatic off switch that comes standard with every number 2 Ferrari drivers car.

Name a number 2 driver in Ferrari who could beat MS and was a better driver?
 
Anyone else think that Felippe Massa could have won it, barring team orders, or was Michael Schumacher sand-bagging that much? After all, he seemed to be a consistent 1-2 seconds behind MS for most of the race. Massa's really improved a lot recently, matured quite a bit in the last few races. It shows that he's got a lot more confidence. Or was MS confident to run at "95%" with a strong team mate?

Poor Webber; he needed a result, and to almost become 3rd after the Ferraris would have been a great finish.

At least Kimi put on a show; I was getting psyched for a 3-way battle, but it didn't quite turn out that way...

As for the Renaults, I hope they found a way to do some testing at Hungaroring, for last year, they had their worst race in their near-dominant 2005 campaign. Neither car finished in the points, as I recall. Of course, the H-Ring is hardly ever used by F1 cars before and after the GP circus leaves town, so we'll see if Flav did his homework.

Klien finally caught a break, and Speed made up the numbers again. Meh.
 
Small_Fryz
Name a number 2 driver in Ferrari who could beat MS and was a better driver?
Eddie Irvine... Oh, no, wait a minute.... Rubens Barric... no, errr, I'll get it in a minute.. don't tell me... Is this a trick question?
 
Jean Alesi...


:D
 
Well, admittedly, Schumacher never beat Alesi when they were together at Ferrari, but that was mainly because they weren't together at Ferrari...
 
Famine
Jean Alesi...


:D
Smart arse.

I mean 2nd driver WHILE MS was at ferrari.

Plus was jean alesi a better driver than MS?
 
Blake
Well the Michelin Sport website says that “An F1 tyre reaches peak performance at an operating temperature of almost 100°C.” If you couple that with the fact that tyre warmers have them sitting at around 90°C then you can say that Kimi had a tyre that was pretty much in its peak (especially if it was green). :p

The tyre warmers don't heat up the tyre of the carcass very well. They only heat up the tread to 90 degrees (which is still below the optimum). So, when the tyres leave the blankets they're still off the normal operating temperature on the surface and the carcass is way below operating temperature. The pressure of the tyre isn't up to what it should be either. There is an appreciable difference between tyres that have just left the tyre warmers and ones that have done a few laps in anger. Listen to commentary for races and you'll hear this mentioned.

On the number 2 at Ferrari situation, Rubens could, on his day, beat M Schumacher. Tha A1 Ring was a good track for Rubens, if he hadn't been made to move over he'd have won there in the past. The main problem with Rubens when he was at Ferrari was that he wasn't consistently fast enough. He very much blew hot and cold, but on his day I believe he could beat Schumacher. The rest of his teammates (at Jordan, Benetton and Ferrari) have been no match. He outqualified Andrea de Crasheris by 4 places in his first GP, for instance. I was actually trying to make my F1 stats program count teammates outqualifying and outracing each other but I hit on a few problems and didn't get it fixed. I don't think there would be many who would have more impressive stats in that regard than Schumacher (though you could say that about any stat, I suppose).
 
Small_Fryz
Smart arse.

I mean 2nd driver WHILE MS was at ferrari.

Plus was jean alesi a better driver than MS?

Yes.

Though as I look it up I don't see any occasion where Schumacher has finished a race and either Berger OR Alesi have finished ahead of him.

Bum.
 
Ah. Well, yes, just follow amp88's post (no-one likes a smartass :sly:). And I thought I was being so clever :p
 
Roo
Ah. Well, yes, just follow amp88's post (no-one likes a smartass :sly:). And I thought I was being so clever :p

I did have the help of my program so I was cheating I suppose :lol:
 
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