2008 Best Car Series: North America - Get Your Nominations in Line!

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:lol: Very droll, but it's not like the PT is the only vehicle that could be 'shopped like that :p "Indistinguishable" is a bit different from "looks a bit like it if you play around with photoshop for ten minutes"... :sly:
 
It's only the headlights, grill and taxi badge that i added ;)
 
(my nomination) Camaro

Only one problem with the Camaro, its not eligible for competition. Now that it is officially designated as a 2010 model, its just a hair too late. As much as it hurts me, yeah, sorry, it doesn't count.
 
I have driven one and I don't understand either. It felt to me like the tall, heavy Neon that it was. A bit nicer inside, but still.
To each his own, I guess.

At least you have actually driven one. I don't mind this as much as I do someone just dismissing it as rubbish without having even set foot inside.
 
So was the one I drove. The single worst thing about the car was the engine/tranny combo, with a manual box it would have been so much peppier, not to mention more economical. It had an annoying habit of dropping two gears up hills and screaming away, then deciding it was revving too much and changing up again. I was amazed when I discovered it's supposed to have 150bhp because it felt slower than my 60bhp Fiesta.

Even so, I still liked the car. Speed isn't everything (but I expect the Turbo one is quite a nice car to drive)
 
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Guys seriously, the PT Loser is the worst thing the US has produced since the AMC Pacer and Ford Pinto. Its junk through and through. A friend of mine had one and I had the displeasure of driving it often and it looked, felt, and drove like good old fashioned canine feces. For those of you around the world who are lucky enough to not have them in your country be glad you don't. Its worse than what TopGear thinks of the Pacific Rim cars...its truely that bad. A Dodge Neon is 2000% better than a PT Loser...and that says it all.
 
Only one problem with the Camaro, its not eligible for competition. Now that it is officially designated as a 2010 model, its just a hair too late. As much as it hurts me, yeah, sorry, it doesn't count.

That sucks. I guess I second the Corvette then.👍
 
Struth! They should put that on Nürburgring then, that would take the record easily, good publicity for a struggling Dodge.
It might, but I doubt it would. The gearing on it hurt the ACR on oval straights, so I have a feeling the gearing would plague the car on the 'Ring's straights.
 
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged. 👍 Stupidly fast, stupidly cheap. Good looking too.

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You can get it without the ridiculous spoiler as well.
 
As a secret, I was hoping someone would nominate the Cobalt SS or HHR SS, they are too good to leave completely ignored!

Plus: The four-door SS is coming too. As I recall, it looks pretty close to a "normal" Cobalt Sport. Nice...
 
I almost nominated the HHR SS as it is awesome, and when I saw my first one a month or so ago it looked way better then PT :sly:
 
JCE
Guys seriously, the PT Loser is the worst thing the US has produced since the AMC Pacer and Ford Pinto. Its junk through and through. A friend of mine had one and I had the displeasure of driving it often and it looked, felt, and drove like good old fashioned canine feces. For those of you around the world who are lucky enough to not have them in your country be glad you don't. Its worse than what TopGear thinks of the Pacific Rim cars...its truely that bad. A Dodge Neon is 2000% better than a PT Loser...and that says it all.

^ Biggest load of bull I've heard in a long time. Much as I enjoy having started a debate, there's a point where informed reasonable debate, and japery (such as the taxi thing) stops and transparent insulting dislike of something starts.

I understood in my original post that people here would probably think I was a bit loony for nominating it, but I provided a half-assed reason as to why I wanted to nominate it, and it turns out even half-assed is more assed than a lot of people can provide. I was heartended when other people showed their support for the car too, and even Toronado's response above could be considered damning with faint praise compared to his usual cutting opinions on many cars :sly:

But to say it's the worst American car since the Pacer, "junk", "canine feces [sic]", and that the Neon is better, that's what I'd call plain, old-fashioned wrong.

Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged. 👍 Stupidly fast, stupidly cheap. Good looking too.

👍 Like these things. You're right about it being stupidly cheap, I couldn't believe the prices I was seeing for it. Costs about the same as the most basic superminis do over here.

The four-door SS is coming too. As I recall, it looks pretty close to a "normal" Cobalt Sport. Nice...

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There ya go 👍 Was on Wiki.
 
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I might pick one up if given the opportunity when older. :trouble: I can see them going for a few grand in a couple of years.
 
For some reason the sedan actually appeals more than the coupe. I just like the idea of compact sports sedans really. They're a dying breed in Europe.
 
But to say it's the worst American car since the Pacer, "junk", "canine feces [sic]", and that the Neon is better, that's what I'd call plain, old-fashioned wrong.

Since you're in the UK I'll go ahead and assume you've never driven one and start my rebuttle there--and if you have that doesn't matter. The PT is infact worse than a Neon tenfold--lets get that straight. The Neon is lighter, gets better MPG, is faster, has better resale value (albeit only slightly), and doesn't look like its trying too hard. The PT has only one advantage--it has a larger boot--and that's only because of the higher roofline and hatchback Sorry, but it is junk through and through. I've worked at enough car dealers taking them on trade-in (and hearing the horror stories FROM THE ACTUAL OWNERS) and with the experience of driving my friend's to have come to this conclusion. The fact that it is even in this thread when it is junk and more importantly AN OLD car should squarely nullify it. Its been 100% unchanged from 2001 to 2009. EIGHT years, at least the Neon had two facelifts.

I stand behind my opinion that the PT Cruiser is the worst car ever made by an American company.
 
He actually said he's driven one on several occasions.
 
He actually said he's driven one on several occasions.

^ What he said. What I've also mentioned a few times is that I'm able to compare my experience of the PT with some really quite impressive modern cars, such as the current Mazda MX-5 and 2, the first gen BMW MINI Cooper (which was actually a race tuned version), and a brand new Ford Ka. All are considered benchmarks for handling in their respective classes, and I can safely say that I've driven the PT hard (the whole distance up and down the Pacific Coast Highway, forty miles North of 'Frisco and as far South as San Diego), with not only myself in the car but a passenger and a boot full of luggage, and it still impressed me with regard to it's steering feel, roadholding and ride.

Since you've made the comments you have, I'll go ahead and assume you didn't read anything I've said over the last five pages. But I've read everything you've said and let's have a look and see why I disagree with it.

JCE
The PT is infact worse than a Neon tenfold--lets get that straight. The Neon is lighter, gets better MPG, is faster, has better resale value (albeit only slightly), and doesn't look like its trying too hard.

The Neon doesn't look like it's trying at all. It's a white good, a refridgerator in a land of plasma TVs. The PT at least has some style - fair enough, it may not be to all tastes but at least it provokes opinion. The Neon is drizzle, and trust me, being British I know a lot about drizzle ;)

The PT has only one advantage--it has a larger boot--and that's only because of the higher roofline and hatchback

And also thanks to that higher roofline and hatchback it's much more versatile inside, and has more space for passengers too. The interior is a better design (both pre and post facelift) than any of the Neon interiors, and again has a bit of design flair and colour. It also has better visibility, which is important in most aspects of driving.

Sorry, but it is junk through and through. I've worked at enough car dealers taking them on trade-in (and hearing the horror stories FROM THE ACTUAL OWNERS) and with the experience of driving my friend's to have come to this conclusion.

A quick, and admittedly unscientific look on http://www.carsurvey.org/ at customer satisfaction for both the Neon and the PT shows me many more dissatisfied Neon owners than PT owners. It's very easy to say the PT has "horror stories" but it's carefully skipping over the Neon's "horror stories" in order to illustrate your point. I call this bias. :dopey:

The fact that it is even in this thread when it is junk and more importantly AN OLD car should squarely nullify it. Its been 100% unchanged from 2001 to 2009. EIGHT years, at least the Neon had two facelifts.

Why does it's presence in this thread annoy you so much? I'm sure YSSMAN will attest the concept is just a bit of fun, if you really, really hate the PT so much then don't vote for it in the next round! Or are you scared the underground support will carry it through? I don't expect it to, but given how much you hate the car it'd make me laugh harder than I've laughed in ages.

Oh, and the PT has had a facelift in that time, the interior has been changed and engines have been added and updated. Do your research 👍

I stand behind my opinion that the PT Cruiser is the worst car ever made by an American company.

And I stand by my opinion that you're very, very wrong.
 
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JCE
I stand behind my opinion that the PT Cruiser is the worst car ever made by an American company.
You say that about a lot of Chryslers, and most of the time your reasoning seems to be based on made up information, so it kind of throws your objectivity into question.

JCE
Its been 100% unchanged from 2001 to 2009. EIGHT years, at least the Neon had two facelifts.
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9 Years. Generally thought to be awesome.
Or:
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16 years. Said by you to be much better than its far newer competitors.
Or:
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12 years. Bought by a billion Englishmen yearly.
Or:
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11 Years.
Makes Doug laugh a lot.
 
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With the Ford Flex and Chevy HHR being close second, my choice would be this car, I'd love to own & drive around:



I still love the looks of it. 👍
 
You are a mental. Seek help.



The only way you'll get one other person voting for it is if you have multiple personality syndrome.

Also:

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2009 Dodge Viper ACR​

I would nominate the Viper ACR because it's vicious and I love vicious
 
I'm suprised no one chimed in with me for the Malibu... it's a great car.

It's a good mid-size sedan by the looks of it, but mid-size sedans like that and the Camry and Mazda 6 don't float my boat much.
 
Should have categories... Hard to vote with a PT Cruiser and a Viper in the same voting. Not that I like the PT Cruiser just an example.

No, that's the point, what's the best car US has to offer. If someone honestly believes the PT Cruiser is better than a CTS, then that's their vote.
 
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