2009 Ford Mustang, a new miracle?

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With the 45th anniversary of the Mustang fast approaching and the Camaro and Challenger due to be resurrected, there have been rumors circulating that Fords engineering team has been testing the 2009 Mustang in the Arizona desert.

The new Mustang will be based on the current S197 platform and will not be completely redesigned from the ground up. A complete redesign would prove too costly, so Ford intends to make any necessary improvements with the current platform to compete with the Camaro and Challenger.

When it comes to appearance, the 2009 Mustang will not disappoint. While, the wheelbase and overall dimensions of the car probably won’t change much, the 2009 Mustang will be more aggressive and audacious in its styling. With modern body lines, more pronounced front and rear flanks and a proportionally smaller glass area, the 2009 Mustang will have a sleek, yet aggressive appearance. It’s expected that retro styling will continue to dominate the theme of the car, but there are certainly going to be some modern details included, such as projector beam headlights in its newly designed front facia.

The heart of 2009 Mustang GT will most likely beat through Fords new 3-valve 4.6L V8, although there has been some speculation that it could see either the 4-valve 4.6L V-8 or the 3-valve 5.4L V-8. Whichever engine Ford decides to plant under the hood of the 2009 Mustang, one thing is for sure, displacement on demand (DOD) technology will be used. This feature allows the engine to shut off four of the 8 cylinders to improve fuel economy when the engine is lightly loaded. By using the DOD technology, a more aggressive engine tune may be possible which could give the Mustang a potent 325-340hp. All this power will likely be harnessed through a 5 speed gearbox, unless the competition forces Ford to do drop a six-speed in.

Although it’s expected that the 2009 Mustang will ride on a refined version of the “DEW-lite” chassis which is currently used in the S197 Mustang, one possible change could be an independent rear suspension in place of the solid rear axle. The Camaro and Challenger are both expected to sport an IRS, so Ford may be forced to follow suit.

The interior of the 2009 Mustang will likely be just as bold as the exterior. Look for improvements such as a new steering wheel, instrument cluster and door panels which will continue to give the Mustang a retro look, yet modern feel. One feature that will surely be dropped from the 2009 Mustang is the “My-Color” instruments, which allows the color of the instrument panel to be changed to suit the drivers styling needs. This option has proven costly for Ford and removing it should help keep production costs down.

With the Camaro and Challenger hitting the streets in the near future, the 2009 Mustang Concept certainly proves that Ford is not waiting around for the competition to catch up. As we can see, the Mustang once again aims to be a leader and not a follower.

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I love the current Mustangs. The concept drawing looks pretty nice. I can't wait until we get to see a photo of the production model!
 
This is almost disappointing to me, much of what fueled the popularity of the Fox and SN95 Mustangs was that the platform and engines were around for so long, that the aftermarket could develop and market parts to crack the full potential of the plaform and engine.

Does anyone remember how long it took the aftermarket to crack the OBD2/2V 4.6L monster and actually get some useful, cheap tuners/intakes/headers/cams out on the market? And why are good 5.0L Mustang buildups a dime-a-dozen? Well, the platform was around for 15 years pretty much unchanged (and had EFI for 8 of those)! They are only beginning to figure out the 3V 4.6, and it's going to be gone! DOD and other such changes are not really good for sales...
 
That drawing looks like a concept drawing of the '05 mustang.
 
...I was just going to say the concept drawing is that of the '05. But, nevertheless, good news from Ford. I wouldnt expect a drastic change overall, a few nips and tucks here and there, similar to how the Mustang design changed from '67 to '69.

I'm guessing that Ford is going to stick with the 3V 4.6L and go with DOD, but there will be a need for a power increase even if it will be competing with the possible 355HP 6.0L Camaro that would presumably be the base V8 model. Ford may also have to develop a new 6-speed manual, or simply use the same T56 that would probably be used by the Camaro and Charger.
 
Why so few valves? Are they still on SOHC? That blows! I hate Ford, man.
 
Is the next Mustang supposed to be more like a better streamlined Mustang or something? I loved the 2005-ish Mustangs. That was nostalgia at its absolute beautiful. The 2009 model would probably look even more like a classic 1960s Mustang, only more or less modern. And after all, it was the latest Ford Mustang which started the latest fashion trend among cars- old school cool. The return of the muscle car.

We're going to have to watch this car to see what Ford plans to do with their little baby come the 2009 model year. Is this car one to watch? You bet.
 
I'd love to see how many horses the Germans or Japanese could get from 8 cylinders and that displacement. Doesn't seem like an awful lot considering the capacity. What a piece of junk! The retro style and (assuming its more like that concept drawing) modern sleekness doesn't work for it in any harmonious way... they just fight each other as two completely different approaches IMO. Not a true classic in any way. Kinda just like a compromise between two different ideals.

I hope the suspension is slightly modern this time.
 
James2097
I'd love to see how many horses the Germans or Japanese could get from 8 cylinders and that displacement. Doesn't seem like an awful lot considering the capacity. What a piece of junk! The retro style and (assuming its more like that concept drawing) modern sleekness doesn't work for it in any harmonious way... they just fight each other as two completely different approaches IMO. Not a true classic in any way. Kinda just like a compromise between two different ideals.

I hope the suspension is slightly modern this time.

As YSSMAN said in another thread...

"American engines create gobs of torque from the low end, not necessarily concentrating on high horsepower."

Example: Chevrolet LS6 engine in Corvette Z06 makes 505hp and somewhere of 485lb-ft of torque.

Example: Honda 2.2L VTEC engine in S2000 makes 240hp but somewhere of 160lb-ft of torque.
 
GT4_Rule
As YSSMAN said in another thread...

"American engines create gobs of torque from the low end, not necessarily concentrating on high horsepower."

Example: Chevrolet LS6 engine in Corvette Z06 makes 505hp and somewhere of 485lb-ft of torque.

Example: Honda 2.2L VTEC engine in S2000 makes 240hp but somewhere of 160lb-ft of torque.

Not a very appropriate comparison... 4 cylinder S2000 designed to be high revving... maybe an equivalent displacement V8 from a German performance car might be better...

I'm well aware of the torque properties of American V8's, they're still hugely inefficient.

Besides, whose gonna be towing a huge trailer with a 2 door coupe? Perhaps concentrating on all that torque isn't the best way to build a sporty car designed to go fast? Maybe there is a better balance between torque and outright hp? But thats another whole debate...
 
GT4_Rule
"American engines create gobs of torque from the low end, not necessarily concentrating on high horsepower."
Of course, the Mustang 4.6 is not really a "torque monster" and is a pretty revvy engine. Just not a powerful one. Like an S2000 with a horsepower cap that still revved to 9k.
On the overall subject of this, I can't say I'm not dissapointed with Ford. I've never liked the look of the new 'Stang, citing it as completely unoriginal and too chunky in the details, especially when the Fox-based Mustang that proceded it managed to look heritage-inspired wuithout playing the "retro" card. I honestly think Ford will not restyle the car more because of the lack of ability to style a good car anymore, and less to do wiht their want to compete with the "retro" Challenger (which, too, is a carbon copy of the original, but done slightly better in details) and the Camaro (which has very, very similar overall shapes but is completely different in the details from it's inspiration), especially now, with their want to (unsuccessfuly, I guarantee) move the Mustang to a position to rival the Corvette. The Five-Hundred (in all it's generic-ocity) and Zephyr (in all it's overdone-ness) display that. Ford better do alot more than offer "heritage inspired" and overpriced "specials" and try to legitimately restyle the car or it will tank, especially if Dodge and Chevy offer higher performance engines than the Mustang out of the gate.
 
GT4_Rule
As YSSMAN said in another thread...

"American engines create gobs of torque from the low end, not necessarily concentrating on high horsepower."

Example: Chevrolet LS6 engine in Corvette Z06 makes 505hp and somewhere of 485lb-ft of torque.

Example: Honda 2.2L VTEC engine in S2000 makes 240hp but somewhere of 160lb-ft of torque.

If they made the S2000 engine 3 times as big it would have more torque.:dopey:
 
regardless, didnt ford just come out with the new mustang, 2 years ago? isnt this a little overkill? i thought personally, that they were the ones that began Chevy and Dodge to bring back their cars, not the other way around.
 
Perhaps they should take on one of my favorite features of the Shelby GT-500E, the projector headlights on the side of the headlight recesses, and integrate it into this new one.
 
I really cannot complain about the generally "lackluster" mechanical specifications of the Mustang. The car is what it is, cheap fun, that can run with other preformance cars from Europe and Japan for about $27K out the door. You get 300HP, a 5-speed manual, and track performance that can match previous IRS Cobras.

About the engine: Ford has never, ever been a big horsepower company like GM or Mopar. 300-350HP is going to be the best the 4.6L will probably ever produce, but it comes at a cheap price, so why complain?
 
Fords aluminum 427's were and still are big horsepower engines.

The last cobra had a blown 281 with what, 390 hp?

I don't think it's much to expect 350+ Hp from the base engine next gen.

I do see this as less of a total model swap and more like when the Aero styling turned into New Edge styling.
 
James2097
Not a very appropriate comparison... 4 cylinder S2000 designed to be high revving... maybe an equivalent displacement V8 from a German performance car might be better...

I'm well aware of the torque properties of American V8's, they're still hugely inefficient.

Besides, whose gonna be towing a huge trailer with a 2 door coupe? Perhaps concentrating on all that torque isn't the best way to build a sporty car designed to go fast? Maybe there is a better balance between torque and outright hp? But thats another whole debate...

Err...torque is not just for towing :scared: more torque = better launch of a car.

I never liked the high-revving engines, so maybe thats why I dont like the S2000's powertrain :guilty:
 
I hope that concept drawing is old. :indiff:

As for the horsepower vs torque and Japan/Germany vs USA thing...

German/Japanese engines are usually more power-efficient than american ones, in both hp/L and ft-lb/L (even the S2000 produces more torque-per-Liter than the C6 Z06's V8 :lol: ). Obviously, the Germans and Japanese care more about horsepower than torque, so they make smaller, higher-revving engines than Detroit does...but if they felt like it, their engines could easily out-twist their american counterparts. :indiff:
 
At the moment, Mercedes-Benz is the only German company I can think of that can outbuild an American V8 in terms of power at the generalized American engine sizes. The new 5.5L unit in the S550 churs out similar numbers to the former GM LS6, and the current LS2. At 382HP and 391 lb-ft, thats in Chevy small block territory in terms of size/power. However, the new 6.3L V8 in the AMG line with 503HP and 465 lb-ft does do a better job of making high-power with somewhat low displacement. A comparitive engine from GM would be the new LS7, with 505HP and 485lb-ft, but the only thing the Mopar guys can come up with is the 6.1L HEMI that doesnt even come close to those numbers. Ford? Let me take a minute to laugh hysterically, as they have not built an ultra-powerful N/A V8 since 1970.
 
Ontopic: That Mustang sketch is fabulous, I like it. I still prefer the current model.

Offtopic: I absolutely can't stand this kind of debate--it makes me go crazy. It's CLEAR that even with bhp deficiancies the '05 Mustang GT still competes AND is a blast to drive. WHICH IS THE GOD D*MNED POINT! Ask Mustang GT owners if they care about an S2000 with better bhp/L or anything related--they will answer with an infactic "hell no". You want a cheap fast car that looks and SOUNDS nice? You buy a Mustang (and an F-body back in the day). If I had a choice between a STi, EVO, Mustang GT, or RX-8 all for the same amount of money I'd choose the GT--not just because I can get a D-plan on it. And last time I checked the S2000 is at least $8,000 more than a Mustang--which could easily mean more power. Problem solved! Some American cars can compete with the rest of the world with less bhp--just like other cars from abroad can compete with American V8's with I6/V6's. God I wish people would just quit the petty bickering over stupid things like this bhp war. It's like school children arguing over who's bicycle has the most awsome colors or something.
 
JCE3000GT
If I had a choice between a STi, EVO, Mustang GT, or RX-8 all for the same amount of money I'd choose the GT--not just because I can get a D-plan on it.
Hmmmmm... All nice cars. :drool: I'd like an Evo from that list personally, but the Stang is super nice, especially when you consider the $25,000 base price(GT). If you have a D-Plan, you'll probably be able to get a nice one for that base price. Discounts on Mustangs probably isn't too big yet.
 
So basically they took a retro design, made it modern, and now they're going to retake the said modern retro design, and modernise it some more?

At least it doesn't look like the Mustang II.
 
JCE3000GT
Ontopic: That Mustang sketch is fabulous, I like it. I still prefer the current model.

Offtopic: I absolutely can't stand this kind of debate--it makes me go crazy. It's CLEAR that even with bhp deficiancies the '05 Mustang GT still competes AND is a blast to drive. WHICH IS THE GOD D*MNED POINT! Ask Mustang GT owners if they care about an S2000 with better bhp/L or anything related--they will answer with an infactic "hell no". You want a cheap fast car that looks and SOUNDS nice? You buy a Mustang (and an F-body back in the day). If I had a choice between a STi, EVO, Mustang GT, or RX-8 all for the same amount of money I'd choose the GT--not just because I can get a D-plan on it. And last time I checked the S2000 is at least $8,000 more than a Mustang--which could easily mean more power. Problem solved! Some American cars can compete with the rest of the world with less bhp--just like other cars from abroad can compete with American V8's with I6/V6's. God I wish people would just quit the petty bickering over stupid things like this bhp war. It's like school children arguing over who's bicycle has the most awsome colors or something.

I understand your point. I agree too.

But that doesnt mean that Mustang's engines are exempt from those comparisons. Its just a way of life. You compare things and rank them from best to worst.

Off-Topic: S2000 starts from $50,800 CDN, which is around 1.5 times the base price of a GT Convertible, which starts at around $30,000. Call that rip-off! With $20,000 spare change you can probably mod the rear suspension on Mustang into a Independent, if you desire.
 
...Between the Japanese models and the GT, obviously I would go with the GT, no questions there. But with the oncomming of the new Camaro and Challenger, that game is going to change quickly, and Ford is going to have to act quick to offset the other two.

But if I was handed $30,000 to go buy any car I want, it would be a VERY tough decision between the Mustang GT and Volkswagen GTI...
 
lol at the GTi.

Impreza STI's are know for not making the horsepower the manufacturers claim. Evo's on the other hand do and sometimes more than they claim.

Also the SL55 AMG makes closer to 500hp than 469hp but they didnt want to market it like that as it would step on the SL600's toes.

Also the 6.3 AMG unit makes 603hp in certain cars and with a bit of chipping it is knocking at the door of 700hp.
 

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