2011 Dodge Charger... OH LAWD!

[psntomaz]

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=6125059

 

[Exorcet]

Erm, what? You're saying the charger is a better looking car than the challenger? That's like saying Susan Boyle is better looking than Jessica Biel.

Not only is the Challenger ugly, it's terrible. Yes, the Charger looks better. It's also more proactical without being much slower.

 

[Enigma]

Not only is the Challenger ugly, it's terrible. Yes, the Charger looks better. It's also more proactical without being much slower.

Sorry, but are you saying the 2006 charger is better looking than the challenger?

I know everyone has a different opinion on what looks good, but I just dont know how its possible to look at those two cars and say that

The charger looks like a 300c and a pick up have mated and gave birth to something with a face that only a mother could love

 

[Jondot]

Wow, that interior is....horrific. Why the hell can US car firms rarely get interiors right? It's so annoying.

I think Chrysler are the worst offenders. GM and Ford seem to have caught up a bit. The inside of a Fusion for example seems to now be very nearly up to the standard of a 2001 Mondeo. Which I think you'll agree is an achievement.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

I think Chrysler are the worst offenders. GM and Ford seem to have caught up a bit. The inside of a Fusion for example seems to now be very nearly up to the standard of a 2001 Mondeo. Which I think you'll agree is an achievement.

I don't agree to a 2001 Mondeo.. but I'll agree since it's your 6,000th post.

 

[Antti-san]

Wonder if Chrysler and Mitsubishi are working together again...

"If you can't beat them, join them!"

 

[psntomaz]

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/download.php?Number=6125057

 

[Jim Prower]

I know it's a mule, and they get the ever-loving crap beat out of them, but that does not look higher-quality...Though the dash surround looks promising.

 

[dylansan]

The new Challengers look like the old Challengers. Can someone explain how this looks anything like the old Chargers?

 

[Omnis]

The new Challengers look like the old Challengers. Can someone explain how this looks anything like the old Chargers?

It doesn't. It's a sedan version of the Dodge Ram

 

[Jondot]

O hai spray painted plastic! I wondered where you'd got to.

I don't agree to a 2001 Mondeo.. but I'll agree since it's your 6,000th post.

You'd be surprised, they look rather similar. Only real difference I can spot is that the Mondeo got an interestingly shaped clock.

And ha, so it is. Ta very much, I'd have missed that.

 

[Dan_]

^^ I'll second Omins on this one.

The old one was pure badass and attitude, c'mon Dodge, Chevy did it with the Camaro, let's just forget this "Charger" and try again using this one as a sketch:

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I realize now what the dash insert reminds me of, and it's not encouraging. It looks like a very elaborate cake tin.

I do recognize the need to keep this as a sedan though. The Challenger serves its purpose, but it doesn't sell in nearly the numbers Dodge needs to survive. There are tons of Chargers, possibly more than 300's, up here.

 

[psntomaz]

Yes Chevy did it with the Camaro, but that car is considered a "pony car" and is in competition with the Mustang, That wats the Challenger is for. yea it would be great if the Charger was a 2 door, but lets not forget its market place. Charger never competed with GM & Fords pony cars, and a 2 door Charger would suck if compared to the american supercars (Corvette, Sallen S7) and the car would be to big to be a Infinity G37 Coupe, BMW 3 Series competitor (thats what a modern DART would be!!!👍). its Either call there 4 Door Sedan a Charger or a Polara

I never seen anyone get so uptight when GM turned there "Gran Prix" (G8) and Impala, Malibu into 4 doors but when Chrysler turns a Charger into a 4 door its madness? the original car is the same size as the current charger, maybe bigger. (although i think it should had been a 4 door Coupe!)

 

[Cale]

I can't wait to see this in SRT guise. (fitted with 6.4L HEMI, it should be pretty badass)

 

[JohnBM01]

I don't come here in this thread often anymore, so let me just say what I have to and move on...

I really think that for as much as Dodge brought back old school cool with the new Challenger, they could have done up the Charger more like the '70s Chargers instead of these Charger sedans we've been seeing since what, 2002? I usually applaud Dodge for a number of their designs. This one, however,... I'll pass. Make a modern retro Charger (or hell, even bring back some modern tribute to the [Plymouth] Superbird), and I'll be happy.

 

[Terronium-12]

I never seen anyone get so uptight when GM turned there "Gran Prix" (G8) and Impala, Malibu into 4 doors but when Chrysler turns a Charger into a 4 door its madness? the original car is the same size as the current charger, maybe bigger. (although i think it should had been a 4 door Coupe!)

The Impala was a (or rather had a) 4-door sedan variant during the fourth, fifth, and sixth generations, and so on. It wasn't until the fifth (well, technically the fourth) until it became a permanent styling design. So, that's really nothing new whatsoever. The Malibu was a four-door sedan during it's fourth generation, so, that's also nothing entirely new. The Grand Prix/G8 while it was somewhat new it worked. The Charger doesn't, it didn't adopt a sedan body style until 2006 (I believe it was '06, I honestly can't recall offhand) and basically no one liked it (other than those who are open-minded to such particular things) because it simply wasn't a Charger.

There are plenty of reasons why I didn't care for the LX platform the second the Charger adopted it. Ultimately, most of those reasons revolve around it being ugly and heavy.

 

[Cale]

The Malibu was available as a sedan since the 2nd gen. (Maybe even the 1st gen)

The G8 is not and never was a Grand Prix.

 

[psntomaz]

^^^ Incase you dont know, theres a Company who sells Challengers that has been Converted to Charger Daytonas and Superbirds.

I dont really see whats the big fuss is. The New Charger has some styling cues from the 69 charger (93 Concept car). Is the only good looking RWD performance sedan in America that isnt rebadged, Ford gave up on RWD and V8's, GM is stuck with those tired ass Holden cars.

The only thing Dodge needs to do is revive old name plates like the Dodge Dart.a 2+2 Coupe with a 290hp V6 Base model GT, 300 HP GTS (conv.) and 350HP Turbo V6 Swinger, and Dart Demon Model (Srt8) 400hp 5.7 Hemi (low volume) to fight 3 Series Coupes, 370Z, G37 Coupe

 

[psntomaz]

The Malibu was available as a sedan since the 2nd gen. (Maybe even the 1st gen)

The G8 is not and never was a Grand Prix.

Before Pontiac stoped the Name plates, the G's were nothing but old name plates with new designes

G4= Sunfire
G6= Grand Am
G8= Gran Prix

as for the GP

Thats a 1962 Gran Prix, I think the Catalina was the 4 Door Variant although that model did come with a coupe but here are some GP's

63

65

66

67

68

69

The only other Coupe now Sedan that relates to the G8 is the Booneville which was supose to be there Luxury Sports sedan (would be comp for the 300, M45,5 Series, not charger). The G8 was no where near Luxury.

 

[psntomaz]

Malibu Name was tricky, That was also Model trim to the Chevelle as a Luxury model. it was soo many names for the same car back then its ridiculous

 

[Tornado]

A Charger as a coupe would never sell. The market for such cars hasn't existed for at least 20 years, and there have been dozens of examples to prove it. You could argue that the Challenger is an exception, but that is only because Dodge pretends it is Mustang sized.

 

[psntomaz]

^ you might as well say that about GM and its Camaro. atleast the Challenger can still move a Family of 4 or a person taller than 6'.0" with ease.

 

[Tornado]

^ you might as well say that about GM and its Camaro. atleast the Challenger can still move a Family of 4 or a person taller than 6'.0" with ease.

The Camaro also isn't larger (and heavier!) than the full size sedan it is based on, which is the case with the Challenger. The Camaro is actually pretty close in dimensions to the Mustang (just heavier), so the same situation doesn't really apply.

Again, Dodge has had success with the Challenger because they have been able to call it a competitor to the Mustang. This allows people to overlook that it really isn't one on specs. If Dodge had made the Charger a coupe, they wouldn't have been able to get away with doing so.

 

[YSSMAN]

A Charger as a coupe would never sell. The market for such cars hasn't existed for at least 20 years, and there have been dozens of examples to prove it.

• Chevrolet Monte Carlo
• Chrysler Sebring
• Dodge Avenger --> Stratus
• Buick Regal
• Cadillac El Dorado
• Ford Thunderbird

All of those gave up the ghost in the late '90s and early '00s, and as far as I can think at the moment, there are only a few other cars continuing the tradition:

• Audi A5
• BMW 6-series
• Mercedes E-Class Coupe
• Mercedes CL-class

I'd love to have more companies get back into the big coupe game, but it still seems as unlikely as ever. The only affordable options will likely end up being the Jetta Coupe (hooray!) or the Toyota thingamabob (meh?). If they are sales successes, perhaps, there is a chance the segment could grow again.

 

[Tornado]

I understand what YSSMAN was saying, but before anyone else uses the existence of these cars as "proof" that Dodge could have made a Charger coupe and made a killing:

Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Buick Riviera

W-Body cars. Basically all that needs to be said. GM made these because the production costs were spread over 2 dozen other models. And for the later Monte Carlo models (and the Grand Prix), pretty much nonexistent. The Monte was recently mercy-killed alongside the Grand Prix even though the Impala was being thoroughly updated.

Chrysler Sebring

The only sales this even gets are of the convertible model.

Dodge Avenger --> Stratus

Former is a DSM car that only really sold because it was a lot cheaper than the Stealth, being basically a Galant coupe. The latter was made from Dodge Avenger parts Chrysler had sitting around, and was a completely different car from the Stratus sedan. The name change from Avenger to Stratus should give a hint at how popular the Avenger actually was, as should the fact that Dodge made no effort to continue it when the supply of 1996 Galant platforms dried up in 2004.

Cadillac El Dorado

The amount of effort GM put into this car over its 10 year life span should put to rest any ideas that it was a success.

Ford Thunderbird

Never sold as well as Ford hoped it would even on debut. Still probably the closest to a true success in the segment (especially after 1993), but not enough for Ford to bother putting money into replacing it.

 

[psntomaz]

Ford T-bird? are you serious lol its a reason why its not in production.

The only companies that would be succsessful in producing another Coupe would be Cadilac (Eldorado) and Chrysler (Sebring) because these companys are the "Premium" Luxury brands of the bunch. a Sebring would be the most profitable because it was always Americas cheapest fullsize convertible. a new car would rival Mercedez E Coupe.

 

[psntomaz]

The Camaro also isn't larger (and heavier!) than the full size sedan it is based on, which is the case with the Challenger. The Camaro is actually pretty close in dimensions to the Mustang (just heavier), so the same situation doesn't really apply.

Again, Dodge has had success with the Challenger because they have been able to call it a competitor to the Mustang. This allows people to overlook that it really isn't one on specs. If Dodge had made the Charger a coupe, they wouldn't have been able to get away with doing so.

From Edmunds

Dodge Charger V6

Length: 200.1 in.
Width: 74.5 in.
Height: 58.2 in.
Wheel Base: 120 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.1 in.
Curb Weight: 3783 lbs.
Gross Weight: 4950 lbs.

Dodge Challenger v6

Length: 197.7 in.
Width: 75.7 in.
Height: 57.1 in.
Wheel Base: 116 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.7 in.
Curb Weight: 3720 lbs.

Chevy Camaro V6

Length: 190.4 in.
Width: 75.5 in.
Height: 54.2 in.
Wheel Base: 112.3 in.
Curb Weight: 3780 lbs.


out of The base models of all three the Challenger is the Lightest. Sadly the Camaro is only 3 pounds lighter than the Charger. The Challenger gets fat when its equiped with the Iron block Hemis, though still lighter than the Hemi Chargers.

 

[Tornado]

From their respective websites:
Charger 3.5L V6: 3727 lbs.
Challenger 3.5L V6: 3819 lbs.
Camaro 3.6L V6: 3780


Charger 5.7L V8: 4031 lbs.
Challenger 5.7L V8: 4041 lbs.
Camaro 6.2L V8: 3860

Charger 6.1L V8: 4160 lbs.
Challenger 6.1L V8: 4140 lbs.

Why are we even debating this if you agree that a Charger coupe would have bombed?

 

[psntomaz]

a Charger coupe would bombed i agree, plus the Charger never was competition for the Camaro and Mustang from the get-go.