2011 Formula 1 Korean Grand Prix

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I so desperately wanted a point from Kovalainen! I'm getting really sick of the lack of progress from the new teams, they're still over a second off the midfielders, even if Kovalainen did beat both the Saubers. Kobayashi and Buemi are getting really strong now, nice to see Alguersuari beating Rosberg, and of course, Vettel wins are always nice. :D
 
I so desperately wanted a point from Kovalainen! I'm getting really sick of the lack of progress from the new teams, they're still over a second off the midfielders, even if Kovalainen did beat both the Saubers. Kobayashi and Buemi are getting really strong now, nice to see Alguersuari beating Rosberg, and of course, Vettel wins are always nice. :D

Yeah, Kovalainen has a messed up career. He should have a better car.
 
A point for Di Resta...a point closer to Sutil. :D 👍
 
It was a good race. Vettel continues to be on his own planet. The wheel to wheel action between Hamilton and Webber was amazing.👍 Some good finishes by the lesser teams and again, Schumacher's race is ended early.

I think both McLaren and Red Bull made mistakes though. Hamilton was out a lap or two too long on those super softs. Then when Hamilton does pit, Webber comes in right with him. Maybe costed Webber 2nd place.

Really was hoping Hamilton would've won. Think it could've done wonders for the guys' confidence. He seems to have a moral or confidence issue right now with all the trouble hes been in this year. Who wouldn't? Plus his contract is up after next season to add to all the turmoil. Some good results is all he needs to get back in there and feel that he belongs.
 
Great wheel to wheel racing by Webber and Hamilton 👍

Yes, Webber's pit at the same time was a surprise :dopey:


And now on to the new track in India 👍

And how about those Torro Rosso's 👍
 
I heard the announcers on speed TV talking about the constructors championship but didn't really catch what they meant it was.... Can someone explain to me what that is?
 
I heard the announcers on speed TV talking about the constructors championship but didn't really catch what they meant it was.... Can someone explain to me what that is?

Basically the points the drivers get for the teams are combined together to get the teams total towards the Constructors Championship, which Red Bull won with this race.
 
I think both McLaren and Red Bull made mistakes though. Hamilton was out a lap or two too long on those super softs. Then when Hamilton does pit, Webber comes in right with him. Maybe costed Webber 2nd place.

Did we ever get an explanation as to why Webber pitted when he did? I'm assuming he must've had some issue (because otherwise it would've an inexplicable move), as he might've even been able to leapfrog Vettel at that point in time.

Also, kind of a listless race by Button. Most people here consider him the 2nd best driver on the grid so I'm wondering where his pace went on race day... Still, six podiums in a row is a great run.
 
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Did we ever get an explanation as to why Webber pitted when he did? I'm assuming he must've had some issue (because otherwise it would've an inexplicable move), as he might've even been able to leapfrog Vettel at that point in time.

Also, kind of a listless race by Button. Most people here consider him the 2nd best driver on the grid so I'm wondering where his pace went on race day... Still, six podiums in a row is a great run.

I think he just isn't great on this track. His race today was his worst in a while, and his race in Korea last year was absolutely terrible.
 
Also, kind of a listless race by Button. Most people here consider him the 2nd best driver on the grid so I'm wondering where his pace went on race day... Still, six podiums in a row is a great run.

First of all, let me just say that I personally rate Button very highly. I used to be a bit of a Button detractor after he won his WDC in 09' (in what I thought was a bit of underwhelming performance, particularly in the latter part of the season), but this year he has thoroughly proven to me just how good of a all around driver he has become, especially when he feels comfortable with the car. He's certainly a worthy and formidible WDC contender in my book now...even if he does lack a bit of that imgrassable pure pace that say Vettel/Hamilton have, which can make all the difference in the world if you're out at the very front ,in the very best car :dopey:

Considering Button finished just behind the Hammy train in today's race, I think he did just fine really. Red Bull seemed to have the stronger car on race day, so asking much more from Button wasn't really all that realistic.

I feel that some people & the media tend to be too come and go on how they rate/praise drivers, and what they expect from them. When Hamilton is on his game and doesn't make mistakes, the general concesous is that he (still) is the slightly quicker driver on pure pace (particularly when tire deg. isn't an issue)....meaning he will generally finish ahead of Button (like today and on many other occasian in their ~ 2 year tenureship) as long as he keeps his neck out of trouble. With that said, Hamilton doesn't seem to be quite as strong as Button in other areas (particularly in staying out of trouble with cars around him and staying cool when under pressure) and certainly hasn't been as consistant as Button has in terms of extracting the maximum result possible in the last few races...which is something (just a few bad races) I feel has jaded many peoples perspective of what the two drivers are capable of.

It must be remembered that a lot of drivers have their ups and downs throughout their career, and at the moment Lewis is certainly at a very low point in terms of his on track driving, luck, and general content/happiness, while Button is certainly at the highest point of his career in terms of how well he is driving...so a lot people seem to get stuck in the moment and only notice both extremes. I certainly feel that there will come a point (likely quite soon) where Lewis will pick himself up off the ground (today was certainly a decent start), and we will be left with a wiser, more level headed individual, with all of the pace and talent that we know he has always had. Once that happens, and Hamilton can get some of his consistancy back and more, Button will certainly have his hands full.
 
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Hamilton drove a spectacular race today. He was always flat out to keep that 2nd place, and he fought valiantly (and correctly) with Webber to deserve every bit of it.

Button got stuck in a bad place after the start. He also fought a clean battle several times with several drivers, and was smart enough not to risk it too much for the sake of precious championship points ending up in a very "smart" 4th.

Vettel, in that RBR is unbeatable in normal conditions. Webber seams pretty "un-motivted" or "un-comfortable" to do more.

As for the Ferraris, I'm hapy to see them good enough to fight for podium positions. Although Alonso had to "give-up" by the end.
 
The battle between Hamilton and Webber was epic. Both of them drove a tremendous race. The Red Bull is fast, but I don't think it's as much faster as the Mclarens and Ferraris as Vettel makes it seem. You can see that the RB7 just didn't have the straight line speed to take Hamilton. Vettel's just in a different universe, he has the ability to pull away; if he'd gotten stuck behind Hamilton, I'm not sure he could have passed him. Webber really doesn't get enough credit either; he might have had a couple of wins too if it weren't for his starts.
 
I heard the announcers on speed TV talking about the constructors championship but didn't really catch what they meant it was.... Can someone explain to me what that is?

Webber seemed miffed about the pit stop timing when asked during the podium press interviews
 
I used to be a bit of a Button detractor after he won his WDC in 09' (in what I thought was a bit of underwhelming performance, particularly in the latter part of the season), but this year he has thoroughly proven to me just how good of a all around driver he has become, especially when he feels comfortable with the car.
I think a lot of people will re-evaluate 2009 after Button's performances this year. It's become increasingly apparent that Button's lacklustre races in the second half of the season were a result of Brawn simply running out of money.
 
First of all, let me just say that I personally rate Button very highly. I used to be a bit of a Button detractor after he won his WDC in 09' (in what I thought was a bit of underwhelming performance, particularly in the latter part of the season), but this year he has thoroughly proven to me just how good of a all around driver he has become, especially when he feels comfortable with the car. He's certainly a worthy and formidible WDC contender in my book now...even if he does lack a bit of that imgrassable pure pace that say Vettel/Hamilton have, which can make all the difference in the world if you're out at the very front ,in the very best car :dopey:

Considering Button finished just behind the Hammy train in today's race, I think he did just fine really. Red Bull seemed to have the stronger car on race day, so asking much more from Button wasn't really all that realistic.

I feel that some people & the media tend to be too come and go on how they rate/praise drivers, and what they expect from them. When Hamilton is on his game and doesn't make mistakes, the general concesous is that he (still) is the slightly quicker driver on pure pace (particularly when tire deg. isn't an issue)....meaning he will generally finish ahead of Button (like today and on many other occasian in their ~ 2 year tenureship) as long as he keeps his neck out of trouble. With that said, Hamilton doesn't seem to be quite as strong as Button in other areas (particularly in staying out of trouble with cars around him and staying cool when under pressure) and certainly hasn't been as consistant as Button has in terms of extracting the maximum result possible in the last few races...which is something (just a few bad races) I feel has jaded many peoples perspective of what the two drivers are capable of.

It must be remembered that a lot of drivers have their ups and downs throughout their career, and at the moment Lewis is certainly at a very low point in terms of his on track driving, luck, and general content/happiness, while Button is certainly at the highest point of his career in terms of how well he is driving...so a lot people seem to get stuck in the moment and only notice both extremes. I certainly feel that there will come a point (likely quite soon) where Lewis will pick himself up off the ground (today was certainly a decent start), and we will be left with a wiser, more level headed individual, with all of the pace and talent that we know he has always had. Once that happens, and Hamilton can get some of his consistancy back and more, Button will certainly have his hands full.

FWIW, I just read on Autosport that both McLaren cars somehow lost 10% of their front downforce on race day, according to Whitmarsh. Would explain their relative lack of pace compared to qualifying.
 
FWIW, I just read on Autosport that both McLaren cars somehow lost 10% of their front downforce on race day, according to Whitmarsh. Would explain their relative lack of pace compared to qualifying.

10% less front grip maybe, due to a washed "green" track with loose rubber causing tire granulation.

Alonso complained about that as well.
 
No. Buemi has had the edge on Jaime most of the time.

Not really. Despite Buemi outscoring Alguersuari last season, a lot of people agreed Jaime had more noteworthy performances. Buemi had a better start to the season, but Jaime has turned that around.

I genuinely believe that if one of the Toro Rosso drivers has to make way for Ricciardo or Vergne next season, Buemi will be the one out of a job unless he can pull off something spectacular. Alguersuari's performance in Korea was excellent and was the kind of performance the likes of Franz Tost and Dietrich Mateschitz will remember when making a decision.
 
Not really. Despite Buemi outscoring Alguersuari last season, a lot of people agreed Jaime had more noteworthy performances. Buemi had a better start to the season, but Jaime has turned that around.

I genuinely believe that if one of the Toro Rosso drivers has to make way for Ricciardo or Vergne next season, Buemi will be the one out of a job unless he can pull off something spectacular. Alguersuari's performance in Korea was excellent and was the kind of performance the likes of Franz Tost and Dietrich Mateschitz will remember when making a decision.

Which is exactly why I hate tat these overhyped drivers are in the line for race seats for doing pretty underwhelmingly in their lower series, while Jaime and Sebastian are driving their asses off trying to keep their jobs. Buemi is the more consistent driver of the 2, and usually outqualifies Jaime more often. That, and he usually scores points more often than Jaime. Btu whenever Jaime delivers, he delivers, and sometimes lucks into a great finish.
 
The fact that Ricciardo is now beating Liuzzi is a good sign. Are they really overrated, or are you just underrating them?
 
I think the rating on Ricciardo's F1 career can only be marked as Incomplete...the car isn't good enough to show his talents, yet nothing amazing nor dreadfully slow has occurred yet in that HRT.

You can't rate him yet: He hasn't pulled a what-are-you-doing-here-Deletraz, but neither has he shone like Alonso did in the bog-slow Minardi of 2001. Not enough body of work yet.
 
But Alonso's Minardi wasn't as bad as the HRT. Plus his teammates were Tarso Marques and Alex Yoong. I agree, it is a bit too early to judge, but you would have to say that in the case of Alonso, he was an exceptional talent teamed with one poor driver and one mediocre.
 
The fact that Ricciardo is now beating Liuzzi is a good sign. Are they really overrated, or are you just underrating them?

Daniel is only beating Liuzzi because of the long string of bad luck he's been having recently. Under normal circumstances, Liuzzi is on top of Daniel.
 
On the occasion that they've both finished a race, Liuzzi has beaten Ricciardo once, at his debut race. Says it all really.
 
I think you're overstating the difference between individual chassis there. David Coulthard made an apt analogy during the race: different chassis feel like different pairs of running shoes. The difference is there, and it is noticeable. But it shouldn't affect a driver so greatly.

That said, McLaren will no doubt be able to turn Button's original chassis around in time for India.
 
Button did fine, except for the start where he took a risk that didn't pay off well..
 
Yeah, i think Button did fine as he caught up with the Webber/Hamilton group. I think he just hadn't the tires left to do any more once he got there (the same as Alonso).
 
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