2013 NASCAR Thread

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Also, people seem to forget that Hamlin has intentionally wrecked other drivers in the past. Joey's teammate comes to mind.
 
Causing an injury with intentional contact is, in my books, pretty much the worst offense you can do in any form of motorsports.
The thing is that intentional contact is something that happens in NASCAR more often that other racing series, and it's not exactly NASCAR clamps down on, but it will depend on venue. Bristol and upcoming Martinsville, yep, it's bound to happen. At California, you're just asking for trouble. Now, if Logano drove into his rear-quarter panel, and wrecked him that way, then that would be clear-cut deliberate action, but in this case, I believe he was too eager for this win, and pushed his car too hard. The question is whether he would've done the same if it was someone other than Hamlin on his outside. I'm inclined to say yes given how aggressive he was with others, but that's pure speculation.

Again, I'm not exactly defending Logano here. I assuming he wasn't aware that Hamlin was taken by ambulance when he did his interview, because otherwise, I cannot imagine why Penkse would even employ this kid in the first place. I wouldn't.
 
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Also, people seem to forget that Hamlin has intentionally wrecked other drivers in the past. Joey's teammate comes to mind.

I don't think people have forgot, more so they don't want to use it to justify or make an excuse for Hamlin wrecking like that. I think people want to be understanding of Hamlin due to being sent to the Hospital
 
The thing is that intentional contact is something that happens in NASCAR more often that other racing series, and it's not exactly NASCAR clamps down on, but it will depend on venue. Bristol and upcoming Martinsville, yep, it's bound to happen. At California, you're just asking for trouble. Now, if Logano drove into his rear-quarter panel, and wrecked him that way, then that would be clear-cut deliberate action, but in this case, I believe he was too eager for this win, and pushed his car too hard. The question is whether he would've done the same if it was someone other than Hamlin on his outside. I'm inclined to say yes given how aggressive he was with others, but that's pure speculation.


I think he definately would've. The way he was racing Kyle pretty much tells me he still would've pushed. Essentially, this is just like that Showdown race years ago, he was so desperate for that win that he makes a dive bomb and instead of winning, crashes the other car in the process.


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Also, people seem to forget that Hamlin has intentionally wrecked other drivers in the past. Joey's teammate comes to mind.

A certain RCR driver also comes to mind as well as Joey's current teammate.
 
I don't think people have forgot, more so they don't want to use it to justify or make an excuse for Hamlin wrecking like that. I think people want to be understanding of Hamlin due to being sent to the Hospital

I'm just hoping the Hamlin fans remember that before they go hunting Joey down with pitchforks and torches.
 
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I'm just hoping the Hamlin fans remember that before they go hunting Joey down with pitchforks and torches.

Most fans would want to stick up for their driver and look for answers why their driver is in hospital through no fault of their own.

Did you know what the headline going into this Sunday's race was?
 
Oh by the way,

Kurt finishes third :lol:


Kinda impressed with what he has been doing with that 78 the past few weeks.
 
"#NASCAR adjusts @ACSupdates finishing order after review: 18, 88, 22, 99, 78, 16, 20, 27, 5, 39." From Speed on Twitter.
 
Not sure I understand how Logano could have finished 3rd after all that...
I'm guessing NASCAR threw the yellow before Kyle crossed the line. Therefore, they determined finishing order through photos at the instant they pushed the button.
 
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Purely based on that, I don't see anything intentional. Joey, on older tires, got loose and ran up the track. Denny gave him plenty of room, but Joey was determined to beat him so naturally, on the last lap, didn't lift. Any other time of the race and he lifts for sure.

Kyle was probably going to get around both of them, regardless.

The "thats what he gets" comment, I don't think he knew Denny was in an ambulance at the time. I can't see any driver being classless enough to knowingly say it in that situation.

My thoughts exactly.

As for Stewart, the guy is never going to get over his anger issues. 10 to go on a restart and battling for the lead? Of course any driver is going to try to block in that situation. Everyone knows full well that Tony would have done the exact same thing. If he had already been aside Logano and Logano forced him into the grass, then yes, I could see an issue. Tony claimed that he took him into the grass. Far from it. He never even got next to him.

Overall, this was the best race at California I've watched in years, not including Denny's hard wreck. Hopefully he's okay. But there were multiple grooves and hard racing throughout.
 
I'm guessing NASCAR threw the yellow before Kyle crossed the line. Therefore, they determined finishing order through photos at the instant they pushed the button.

Makes sense, though I always assumed if the race was finished under a yellow flag, the order in which they cross the finish line is the order in which the race is finished.

Oh well.
 
Will they run a new Coke Drivers commercial? Didn't they have Logano and Hamlin sitting next to each other and Logano giving out directions to Stewart?

Sorry just thinking out loud here.
 
All this drivers fighting and taking each other out on the track stuff makes me think of Days of Thunder when they have to share a rental car and hated it so much they got two rental cars and beat the crap out of them. :p

NASCAR should do that, make them share a flight to the track or something. :lol:
 
All this drivers fighting and taking each other out on the track stuff makes me think of Days of Thunder when they have to share a rental car and hated it so much they got two rental cars and beat the crap out of them. :p

NASCAR should do that, make them share a flight to the track or something. :lol:

Aww yiss. :lol:

 
Looked to me like Logano over drove his car there. If he wasnt going to win he was going to rough up Hamlin as much as possible. Even after the initial contact he continued to crowd the #11. Ended up taking them both out and ruining a possible 3 wide finish with the #18. Logano is such a baby. He didnt have to beat the #11. He raced up front all day and the #11 was going to win because he had fresher tires. Logano could have come out of this race having proved a point and getting his confidence on track if he finished 2nd or 3rd, now he just made everything worse. I guess you make mistakes like that when you're 22.

Tony Stewart has been having a rough start to the year so I think that played into him boiling over there at the end.

Ver good race from start to finish. For whatever reason, taking 4 tires actually mattered this week and was responsible for most of the passing. Gen6 car blew away the record for most passing at Las Vegas, Im sure it did it again this week in just a 400 mile race when it use to be 500 miles
 
The people that listen to Logano's interview and then say that the wreck was not intentional are just seeing what they want to see. He didn't even to pretend to deny it. Logano had way more than enough room, he just tried to run Hamlin way up the track because he knew he was going to lose to him otherwise.
 
The people that listen to Logano's interview and then say that the wreck was not intentional are just seeing what they want to see. He didn't even to pretend to deny it. Logano had way more than enough room, he just tried to run Hamlin way up the track because he knew he was going to lose to him otherwise.

He got lose, the back end even slips out, this is due to older tires, and pushing the car too hard when it didn't have the grip anymore. Thus he slid up into Hamlin, can you know see that? It seems you and your bias are seeing what you want to see not the other way around.
 
Makes sense, though I always assumed if the race was finished under a yellow flag, the order in which they cross the finish line is the order in which the race is finished.

Oh well.

The field freezes, the drivers just have to cross the line. It used to be "race to the yellow flag" until around 2003 or so when then leaders had to dodge Dale Jarrett's car in the middle of the track.
 
Will they run a new Coke Drivers commercial? Didn't they have Logano and Hamlin sitting next to each other and Logano giving out directions to Stewart?

Sorry just thinking out loud here.

You must be on another forum I am because same thing was said word for word.
 
Personally, I found no problem with Joey blocking Tony and getting up into Hamlin, after all they were competing for the win. It's Joey's comments at the end that sickened me. You shouldn't say 'He deserved it.' after you clearly see that Hamlin is being treated literally right outside of his car, even if it were an eye for an eye. What a baby.

Stewart is a hypocrite. You block Waltrip at Talladega - even though he had the edge - causing a 25 car pileup and not regretting it one bit, yet you whine whenever anyone else blocks you. No wonder you're getting much more hate than you already do.

I see a domino effect starting. It starts with Hamlin and Logano, then Logano brings Stewart into the mix. What's stupid is that minor things started these rivalries. Boo hoo, Hamlin gives Logano a tiny rub that ends up spinning out Logano, a racing incident. 'Wah, wah!' cried Stewart as Logano blocks him in the closing laps. Don't be surprised if Stewart drags another driver into this mix at Martinsville.
 
I see a domino effect starting. It starts with Hamlin and Logano, then Logano brings Stewart into the mix. What's stupid is that minor things started these rivalries. Boo hoo, Hamlin gives Logano a tiny rub that ends up spinning out Logano, a racing incident. 'Wah, wah!' cried Stewart as Logano blocks him in the closing laps. Don't be surprised if Stewart drags another driver into this mix at Martinsville.

Brad's got his back. He doesn't let anyone mess with his teammates.
 
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