2013 NASCAR Thread

[BKGlover]

Yeah...what happened to racing? At one point, race car drivers in any discipline were had their own personality and attitude to go along with the massive talent, and that was what drew people in. They weren't rooting for a team, or a brand, or a name, they were pulling for Richard Petty, David Pearson, Dale Sr., the list could go on for pages, especially when you get to F1. Where did the personality go? Almost every driver comes off as a forced entity, like they just want the money so they can leave. Travis Pastrana, Clint Bowyer, Brian Vickers since Red Bull, and Mark Martin are the only active guys that I don't feel that about, Mikey in a pinch.

Now before the ban-hammer starts flying, that's in front of the cameras. I'd be willing to bet that away from the cameras, and away from the lights, they are all great and personable but that is part of the problem. The Busch brothers are the only guys in I can think of in the last five years that showed genuine emotion. No, I don't think Stewart did at Bristol nor at Cali, because those were short actions that were dealt with within two weeks, and two days more likely. I may not like what the Busch's say or agree with their actions, but I do like the fact that they don't feel manufactured like some do.

Am I making sense? I can't tell right now, my mind's not one with itself at the moment.

 

[RVDNuT374]

What you just said makes perfect sense. 👍 It also seems to me that the vast majority of the drivers are just there for a paycheck and nothing more, which is one of the many reasons the competition has significantly declined in recent years. Add to that the extremely tight emotional leashes the drivers are kept on by the sponsors and NASCAR, and you have what amounts to emotionless droids driving in circles for 3-4 hours every week, with the occasional pre-programmed outburst of emotion.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If he wins the Championship this year, he'll become one of the greatest. It takes 2 to be one of the best ever.

No it doesn't, Mark Martin doesn't have a single one and I guarantee you he'll be in the hall of fame and remember long after he is gone be true NASCAR fans not the fly by nights like you.

Also what about Neil Bonnett, Buddy Baker, Davey Allison, Bobby Allison. Three of them never won a championship and Bobby has one. What about the Labonte brothers, all of these people are legendary figures in Nascar and on par with Wallace. I don't think you understand even the significance of one championship.

You sound like a fool talking about any racing. Maybe you should pick up Tennis or Water Polo instead.

 

[ICEYOU]

There's definitely no shame in coming out of the late 80's to early 2000's with "only" one championship.

But there's no shame coming out of the 1990's with 0 Daytona 500s and Zero Brickyard 400s? Right.

Now before the ban-hammer starts flying, that's in front of the cameras. I'd be willing to bet that away from the cameras, and away from the lights, they are all great and personable but that is part of the problem. The Busch brothers are the only guys in I can think of in the last five years that showed genuine emotion. No, I don't think Stewart did at Bristol nor at Cali, because those were short actions that were dealt with within two weeks, and two days more likely. I may not like what the Busch's say or agree with their actions, but I do like the fact that they don't feel manufactured like some do.

What about when 4-time put 0-time in the wall last year at phoenix because of the cut tire? I think Jeff Gordon has shown plenty of emotion!! Don't forget about Brad too who called out just about everybody in nascar for cheating!!

You sound like a fool talking about any racing. Maybe you should pick up Tennis or Water Polo instead.

Drivers are remembered by the amount of Championships they've won. People won't remember the 1, 2 and 3 timers because they didn't score the most championships. Hell I didn't even know I didn't even know DW was a 3-time until 2011.

 

[Ganon83]

Who is Junior Johnson? Must of sucked as a driver, winning no championships.
Hell, he probably only got into the 1st class of the hall of fame by owning cars that just happened to be driven by Cale and DW in their primes.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Drivers are remembered by the amount of Championships they've won. People won't remember the 1, 2 and 3 timers because they didn't score the most championships. Hell I didn't even know I didn't even know DW was a 3-time until 2011.

Like I said which sailed over your head, you're wrong and the majority has shown that. Also I wouldn't use your source of knowledge (nor most) on any racing subject as something of a paragon, rather the stark opposite. You don't know much and I too am not surprised you didn't know till 2011 how many championships DW had. When did you even start watching Nascar, because you sound like a new age fan.

From your wording you and future people will only think a handful of people raced due to their championship number tally. Tony Stewart and DW not being two of them. First you say he needs two championships to be remember and now you are saying two and three time champ winners are never even remembered. You don't even know what you are saying, and these people are greatly remembered, just because your feeble amount of knowledge doesn't know who they are
doesn't make it true for the majority.

 

[ICEYOU]

Who is Junior Johnson? Must of sucked as a driver, winning no championships.
Hell, he probably only got into the 1st class of the hall of fame by owning cars that just happened to be driven by Cale and DW in their primes.

Junior is remembered by the insane amounts of rings he won as an Owner.

Like I said which sailed over your head, you're wrong and the majority has shown that. Also I wouldn't use your source of knowledge (nor most) on any racing subject as something of a paragon, rather the stark opposite. You don't know much and I too am not surprised you didn't know till 2011 how many championships DW had. When did you even start watching Nascar, because you sound like a new age fan.

From your wording you and future people will only think a handful of people raced due to their championship number tally. Tony Stewart and DW not being two of them. First you say he needs two championships to be remember and now you are saying two and three time champ winners are never even remembered. You don't even know what you are saying, and these people are greatly remembered, just because your feeble amount of knowledge doesn't know who they doesn't make it true for the majority.

Your right, I'm sorry I was being a hypocrite lol

 

[Ganon83]

Junior is remembered by the insane amounts of rings he won as an Owner.

lol no.
Junior Johnson in his prime was at the very least as good as DW or Cale, he just didn't care about running a full season to win a championship because it wasn't worth the money to run 50 some races a year. He was like almost everybody else in the 60's except for Richard Petty, whoever Ford had as its chief driver (Various), and strokers like James Hylton, Dave Marcis, and Richard Childress.

 

[iRevelationz]

Drivers are remembered by the amount of Championships they've won. People won't remember the 1, 2 and 3 timers because they didn't score the most championships.

Just like Tony Stewart won't be remembered for his third championship in 2011 that resulted in the closest points battle in NASCAR history, right?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Just like Tony Stewart won't be remembered for his third championship in 2011 that resulted in the closest points battle in NASCAR history, right?

I already asked him that and he seems to agree with us now.

 

[iRevelationz]

I already asked him that and he seems to agree with us now.

Ahh, okay. When I seen the logic (or lack of) in his post, I replied as fast as I could.

 

[Ganon83]

If ICEYOU were to write "The History of NASCAR", the only drivers written of would be Richard Petty, Earnhardt, Johnson, Gordon, Pearson, Stewart, DW, Lee Petty, and Cale. Everybody else wouldn't matter enough to include.

 

[Wilbur]

It's like a 3 ring circus in here sometimes, and if anyone doubts Mark for lack of champions to be a great driver, he has done more after 50 than some guys do in their prime years in great equipment!

People remember folks for what they want, hell I mainly remember Mark run circles around guys Busch in early 90s with Winn Dixie car.

Now as far as emotion and personality, I am all for guys getting after it and showing their flaws so to speak. The problem is it doesn't paint s perfect picture but this sport was never based on that, Dale Sr was never a nice guy on track but would be off track. Busch brothers show their hands but drive like it's last race or last lap every lap and it's hard not to like that for me. You have guys like Jimmie who to me show very little emotion which is just how he is but give me a driver who has his good and bad days, drives with his heart and doesn't give an inch to someone for most part.

 

[Jahgee]

I don't know why you people haven't put him on your Ignore List yet, makes this thread 10x more enjoyable.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I don't know why you people haven't put him on your Ignore List yet, makes this thread 10x more enjoyable.

You're probably right, but I don't feel I should have to put people on ignore forum to forum for their asinine rhetoric, I feel that an intellectual conversation can be carried, yet ICEYOU seems to troll most days so the time may come.

 

[ICEYOU]

lol no.
Junior Johnson in his prime was at the very least as good as DW or Cale, he just didn't care about running a full season to win a championship because it wasn't worth the money to run 50 some races a year. He was like almost everybody else in the 60's except for Richard Petty, whoever Ford had as its chief driver (Various), and strokers like James Hylton, Dave Marcis, and Richard Childress.

What is this "moonshine" runs they talk about in the of hall fame?

If ICEYOU were to write "The History of NASCAR", the only drivers written of would be Richard Petty, Earnhardt, Johnson, Gordon, Pearson, Stewart, DW, Lee Petty, and Cale. Everybody else wouldn't matter enough to include.

It's true though people only remember the ones who scored the most championships or atleast talk about them. Besides hey never talked about the 1 threw 3 timers before this "hall of fame" was created.

 

[Wilbur]

That's complete crap and you know it. There are alot of drivers who won ONE race or just never had luck to score a championship but pretty sure they are still talked about. To be honest I ever really thought Petty was as good as everyone claims he is regardless of wins or championships. The two guys with those stats who actually proved themselves were Gordon and Earnhardt hands down are probably the two biggest for the sport. Gordon gets my top spot for overall talent in Cup and stats to back it up.

There is alot to making a great driver and the luck boils down to who your crew chief was, none of them has an average one during their runs. Will someone like Gordon come along or who just flat out blows folks out of the water, I doubt it because look at what the sport has become talent wise. If I had to name an up and comer who really is impressing me, Alex Bowman would be on my radar more than Larson.

 

[iRevelationz]

It's true though people only remember the ones who scored the most championships or atleast talk about them. Besides hey never talked about the 1 threw 3 timers before this "hall of fame" was created.

Let's play pretend here for a minute.

Jeff Gordon has 4 championships, the last coming in 2001. Let's pretend he had mechanical failures all of the last 4 races of that season and actually lost the championship. He still goes on to have as many wins as he does now, and that one championship taken away is the only difference.

What you're saying here is if he retired after this season with 87 wins and 3 championships, he wouldn't be talked about nor remembered as one of the all-time greats.

Please, read that aloud to yourself and then tell me it makes sense.

 

[Ganon83]

Richard Petty will also be the first to tell you he wasn't the greatest driver of all time, in spite of being the best stats wise.

 

[GTPorsche]

Richard Petty will also be the first to tell you he wasn't the greatest driver of all time, in spite of being the best stats wise.

He's a very humble guy, despite having the nickname that he has.

Is it just me, or is ESPN's saturation level somewhat high? I know it's not my TV, but the colors just seem way to vibrant.

 

[JohnBM01]

Looks like the Indianapolis Motor Speedway is ready for NASCAR this weekend. Nationwide Series today, then the big Brickyard 400 with Cup tomorrow.

Good luck to all teams and drivers this weekend. Be safe and race hard.

 

[RACECAR]

Goddamn, Kyle Busch nearly flat footed around with 50.099. (174.994).

Insanity, that's just a second behind last year's Cup qualifying time.

 

[ICEYOU]

Somewhere out there the higher ups of Stewart Hass are smiling!!

 

[The Bman]

Ryan Newman barely beat Jimmie Johnson for the pole.

 

[ICEYOU]

The rocket newman legacy!

 

[JohnBM01]

What does lapping Indy in a stock car at 47.992 seconds feel like? Just ask Ryan Newman. Ryan Newman is by far one of Cup's best qualifiers. Also... that was ANOTHER new track record. If this Gen-6 car is laying down all these new track records, we clearly know the new car is fast. All congratulations to Ryan Newman on pole.

Best wishes to the Nationwide drivers taking on Indy later this hour.

 

[ICEYOU]

What does lapping Indy in a stock car at 47.992 seconds feel like? Just ask Ryan Newman. Ryan Newman is by far one of Cup's best qualifiers. Also... that was ANOTHER new track record. If this Gen-6 car is laying down all these new track records, we clearly know the new car is fast. All congratulations to Ryan Newman on pole.

Best wishes to the Nationwide drivers taking on Indy later this hour.

Newman stole that pole like Micheal Jordan stealing a ball!

 

[Ganon83]

He's a very humble guy, despite having the nickname that he has.

I think it's more that he knows the reason he has those crazy stats was because he had the best equipment and one of the first sponsors in the field while running every race. He was great, but I wouldn't put him top 10 of all time.

 

[-Fred-]

Kasey Kahne thought he was at Eldora for a second.

 

[RACECAR]

I know that spoiler is only that color for the dash 4 cash, but I think they should keep that on the 11 car. Kinda looks better then the regular spoiler color.