2015 Pirelli Spanish Grand Prix

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mustafur
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118945

The sooner the better, time for F1 to regain some dignity back.
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The current situation is not Pirelli's fault though. They were told by the FIA what to produce, and have done that quite well (whether you agree with the premise or not).
The promising part of that article is the conditions that Michelin would impose on being the supplier, not the sole fact that the tyre supplier would change. I'm sure that Pirelli could do the same thing give the opportunity.
 
Barra333
The current situation is not Pirelli's fault though. They were told by the FIA what to produce, and have done that quite well (whether you agree with the premise or not).
The promising part of that article is the conditions that Michelin would impose on being the supplier, not the sole fact that the tyre supplier would change. I'm sure that Pirelli could do the same thing give the opportunity.
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I know it's not fully Pirelli's fault but partly due to the fact they where happy to go ahead with the silly regulations.

Michelin though are not interested in making Cheese tyres.
 
mustafur
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118945

The sooner the better, time for F1 to regain some dignity back.
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Pirelli isn't stupid. They're perfectly capable of making a tyre with loads of grip that lasts forever. The reason the tyres degrade so fast is because that's what they are designed to do, to improve the show - Pirelli are instructed to build such a tyre. If you go back to having super-durable tyres like Bridgestone made, everyone moaning about drivers not being able to push will be moaning about how the racing has suddenly become really dull.

Drivers pushing to the limit or entertaining racing. Choose one.

Edit: you've posted since I started typing this, but the point still stands.
 
I find no entertainment in drivers not pushing the cars.

the huge difference in tyre performance from new to old tyres makes it impossible to defend and the passes just end up looking cheap.

Keep in mind we have very different regulations compared back then and DRS which came at the same time as Pirelli(even though I care little for it).
 
Can you imagine the last race without DRS and much more durable tyres... I don't think the fans know what they want, if we went back to cars similar to the late 80s everyone would say they were too slow and if went back 10 years everyone would say they are too easy to drive.
 
Peasantslayer
Can you imagine the last race without DRS and much more durable tyres... I don't think the fans know what they want, if we went back to cars similar to the late 80s everyone would say they were too slow and if went back 10 years everyone would say they are too easy to drive.
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tbh, Barcelona is dull as dish water no mater what you do.

10 years ago we had V10s, Im not sure your serious there.
 
The F1 strategy group has decided that drivers are allowed to use just 4 engines per season.
 
Finally it's back!, some of the most exciting times in F1 happened during refuelling, usually when the mess it up...



Yes it's dangerous but no one has been seriously injured in decades and the technology is there to make it much safer.
 
Have folk lost the ability to make new threads? This whole page has nothing to do with the Spanish Grand Prix
 
Barra333
The promising part of that article is the conditions that Michelin would impose on being the supplier, not the sole fact that the tyre supplier would change.
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It's certainly promising - promising misery. Michelin used to win the contracts to supply taxi companies with tyres because they made a product that was so durable it was practically bulletproof. Remember when Vettel did 52 laps of Monza on a single set of tyres? Or when Rosberg did it in Sochi last year? It was dull as dishwater. Now imagine what it would be like if everyone could do it in every race.

The durability of the tyres is not the issue. There is always going to come a point where tyres wear out. It's this attitude that "the drivers can't push at 100% all the time, and that's bad" which is damaging because it fundamentally fails to understand that cars will always consume fuel and use up tyres. Fuel and tyre management have always been a part of motorsport.
 
daan
Have folk lost the ability to make new threads? This whole page has nothing to do with the Spanish Grand Prix
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Wasn't it so that we should use the latest F1 thread?
 
BBC
Formula 1: Refuelling to return from 2017 season
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Haha, good joke there.

So, what did they agree at the latest strategy group meeting?


BBC
Formula 1 bosses have agreed to bring back refuelling in 2017
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Yes yes, very amusing. But what things did they actually decide at the meeting?


BBC
But it is the return of refuelling which will attract the most attention - the practice was last permitted in 2009
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I don't even know where to start.
 
It's pathetic. They got rid of it once. To bring it back is to admit incompetence.
 
None of these guarantee close racing but atleast the spectacle will improve, the issue is Aerodynamics.
 
Trundling down a pitlane at 60KPH is spectacle?

I just want a race from lights to flag with nothing at all getting in the way of it. No silly tyres, no unnecessary pitstops just a RACE.
 
prisonermonkeys
It's certainly promising - promising misery. Michelin used to win the contracts to supply taxi companies with tyres because they made a product that was so durable it was practically bulletproof. Remember when Vettel did 52 laps of Monza on a single set of tyres? Or when Rosberg did it in Sochi last year? It was dull as dishwater. Now imagine what it would be like if everyone could do it in every race.

The durability of the tyres is not the issue. There is always going to come a point where tyres wear out. It's this attitude that "the drivers can't push at 100% all the time, and that's bad" which is damaging because it fundamentally fails to understand that cars will always consume fuel and use up tyres. Fuel and tyre management have always been a part of motorsport.
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I think it becomes a problem when drivers in an endurance series (WEC) are able to push much harder throughout a race than drivers can in F1. You would expect tire/fuel management to play a bigger role in endurance racing. Well not anymore. WEC has essentially turned into a sprint series, which I think is great, while F1 drivers now spend 2 hours having a Sunday cruise around the ol' grand prix circuit in cars that sound like my neighbors lawn mower.

I have gotten use to the sound. I just can't get use to watching drivers creep around the track.
 
Tired Tyres
Trundling down a pitlane at 60KPH is spectacle?

I just want a race from lights to flag with nothing at all getting in the way of it. No silly tyres, no unnecessary pitstops just a RACE.
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There will be better looking cars, wider tyres, louder sounds and faster cars.
 
Tired Tyres
Trundling down a pitlane at 60KPH is spectacle?

I just want a race from lights to flag with nothing at all getting in the way of it. No silly tyres, no unnecessary pitstops just a RACE.
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You won't get a race. You'll get a procession. As long as wings exist, you need the gimmicks to make overtaking possible.

sems4arsenal
louder sounds
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That's a pity. If there'e one thing I've learnt from Forumla E, it's that there's quite a lot of interesting noises to be heard when the race cars aren't SHOUTING ALL THE DAMN TIME.
 
Roo
You won't get a race. You'll get a procession. As long as wings exist, you need the gimmicks to make overtaking possible.



That's a pity. If there'e one thing I've learnt from Forumla E, it's that there's quite a lot of interesting noises to be heard when the race cars aren't SHOUTING ALL THE DAMN TIME.
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While I appreciate that, I feel race cars need to be shouting and F1 used to have the best sounds.
 
Having watched the full 2003 season recently I think refueling is a good thing, it adds much more strategy to the race and keeps you on your toes on the result given it's hard to know everyone's true pace with the varied fuel loads.

prisonermonkeys
It's certainly promising - promising misery. Michelin used to win the contracts to supply taxi companies with tyres because they made a product that was so durable it was practically bulletproof. Remember when Vettel did 52 laps of Monza on a single set of tyres? Or when Rosberg did it in Sochi last year? It was dull as dishwater. Now imagine what it would be like if everyone could do it in every race.


The durability of the tyres is not the issue. There is always going to come a point where tyres wear out. It's this attitude that "the drivers can't push at 100% all the time, and that's bad" which is damaging because it fundamentally fails to understand that cars will always consume fuel and use up tyres. Fuel and tyre management have always been a part of motorsport.
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Not in this way, the current tyres have a rapid wear rate that don't allow drivers to push anywhere near the limit as the life of the tyre is just going to go to nothing if they do, where as before it was about how you could look after the tyre when you're at the limit.


Two completely different styles of driving we are talking here.

In sprint series such as F1 you can't possibly have this kind of racing as a Motorsports fan and think your getting edge of seat proper racing, it's all about tyre condition.
 
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Roo
That's a pity. If there'e one thing I've learnt from Forumla E, it's that there's quite a lot of interesting noises to be heard when the race cars aren't SHOUTING ALL THE DAMN TIME.
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Hearing all the little things is nice and all and to be honest, I think Formula E has been more exciting than F1 so far this year, but when race cars have extremely modified engines, a large part of the experience is the sound they make.

Half the reason that I return to Santapod every year is to have my vision vibrate, my chest punched, my legs tingle and the cobwebs blown from my ears by the sheer volume and sound pressure every time 2 Top Fuel Dragsters take off. Coming home covered in rubber marbles, stinking of exotic fuel and being sunburnt to a crisp is also part of the experience that I will continue to return to until the day I die.
 

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