Touring Cars 2018 Dunlop MSA British Touring Car Championship - The 60th Anniversary

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Furinkazen, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. Michelin Man

    Michelin Man

    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Well i must admit, I didn't see that coming from Parker.
     
  2. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Great stuff from Parker there, i've got a couple details RE that in my updated silly season chart.


    DYNAMICS HONDA – Honda Civic – Neal/Cammish
    Pretty much all confirmed here. Rumours persist of a switch to the new Civic. Releasing Simpson is perhaps a sign. Neal has mentioned in a magazine interview it is the new Civic for 2018. Shedden gone, car a month behind on development, replacement allegedly confirmed. But who? Answer is Porsche dominator Dan Cammish, a risky signing but also a very strong one.

    BMR SUBARU – Subaru Levorg – Sutton/Plato/Cole???/Price???
    Sutton returns after a fantastic second season and takes #1. Arguably that title win has helped keep the BMR programme and Subaru funding… but who else would be driving? JP had his 3rd season and often does 3 year contracts... But was indicated according to reports to be close to re-signing (and he has), Adrian Flux are a personal sponsor of his... & heard that Plato/ Sutton would be only two cars, then again who knows? Autosport indicate maybe 3 cars. I've heard it could be James Cole with his big lot of cash and guitars.

    WSR BMW UK – BMW 1 Series – Turkington/Rob Collard/Jordan
    Turkington pretty much guaranteed, Jordan probably staying if for the fact that he won’t have any more teams to drive for if he leaves. Rob’s son Ricky tested in the off-season. 4th car was under consideration I hear, but funding dictates staying at three. All confirmed. Footnote - apparently engine evolutions over last couple years have cost WSR 500k. No wonder BMW won't let them sell a car without a BMW unit in it...

    EUROTECH – Honda Civic – Brett Smith/Goff/Simpson
    Brett Smith maybe taking over his dad Jeff’s seat full time? - Answer is yes. Jeff won’t return this year as he recovers from Croft injuries. Goff likely to resign (and he has), Simpson brings his TBL over from Dynamics and his car - midfielders beware once more!

    CICELY – Mercedes A-Class – Morgan/Oliphant
    Heard whispers Cicely changing car for a new manufacturer, but news has gone quiet. Otherwise, don’t expect any great changes. Well, a second Mercedes, the original chassis (2017 was a new build) is being put back into duty for Tom Oliphant, respectable Porsche driver. TBL acquired from Maximum Motorsport.

    SPEEDWORKS – Toyota Avensis – Ingram
    Not expecting any changes here, just a stronger title push from “TIngram”. Livery unveil at media day, that's literally the only change.

    AMD – Audi S3/MG6 – Ollie Jackson/Smelt/Whorton-Eales???/???
    Ollie might returns(actually a surprise to me with £££). No luck for AWE (Or is there?). Tordoff tested the Audi and Moffat visited the team but nothing came of it, with Sam Smelt (who?) in the second car. AMD acquired two MG's and TBL's from what was 888, paid for by canning the British GT programme. AWE's been quiet, as previously mentioned... Still news to come, both cars to be backed by RCIB Insurance.

    LASER – Mercedes A-Class - Moffat?

    If LASER & Moffatt keep going (not exactly a big-budget outfit), potential equipment change? Moffat tested a Subaru before start of 2016 season, and who knows if Warren has any spares lying about. Is Cicely going to two cars a sign of less input into LASER / the team not existing in its current guise anymore? Worth noting the Mercedes is their own. Nope, the Mercs back, LASER are back, carry on as 2017 went on please Mr Moffat.

    HMS – Alfa Giulia – Austin
    Rebranded squad of Simon Belcher bring Alfa back, and keep Austin after taking the teams maiden win at the last race of 2017. The car's alive by the way.

    PMR – Vauxhall Astra – Proctor/Cook/Rullo???

    JST winner Proctor surely has to be a favourite for a seat. Rullo tested after a less than stellar VASC campaign. Tordoff tested as well. The programme’s relative success, and Chilton leaving, could have freed up some £££ for a very big name… And they wound up with Josh Cook after all that alongside Proctor. Probably stuck at 2 cars but don't think there has been total confirmation of this. Well now more I think of it, looks set at two cars.

    MOTORBASE – Ford Focus – Mat Jackson/Chilton
    Will be back with Shredded Wheat sponsorship and a car that's almost as old fashioned. Chilton joins Jackson (errm...), Butcher was decent when he replaced injured Davenport, Depper less so… However latter two out of luck, Confirmed that the TBL has gone to HARD. Well this got interesting quickly. Motorbase got a third TBl back for Sam Tordoff to return in a JCT600-backed entry, and then Mat Jackson got his contract terminated. However the team are still running 3 cars, so the second ~deep breath~ Team Shredded Wheat Racing with Gallagher entry is now open...

    PARKER – BMW 1 Series - Jelley
    Was Parker-Maximum - Lines gone, Parker had gone quiet but teased news coming. Well, interesting. BMW 1 Series chassis from WSR (perhaps the 1st chassis?) sold from WSR with full BMW engine unit. Jelley is a RWD man through and through, and last time he was in a BMW he won a race... This could be one to watch.

    HARD - VW Passat - Thompson/Hill/Bushell/Caine
    Major steps made in 2017, and that was just in designing a livery that didn't burn retina's. Hill returns, always quite impressive. Thompson comes over from VW Racing, Bushell finally gets back in BTCC after a Clio spell, and Caine blow's the bloody doors off the 4th car (well, they better not hope that happens). Brisky Racing help run the new 4th car (Bushell), and the engineering side has had some progress. Burns leaves for British GT.

    BTC-Norlin - Honda Civic - Smiley/???
    Arguably the feel-good story of 2017. Newsham retires as do the veteran Chevrolet Cruzes. Smiley 's rewarded for his transformation from lapped traffic to consistent points scorer with a second season with the ex 2016 works Honda's. Second driver announcement due soon... James Nash returns after a few years in the wilderness. Did alright in a Chevy back in the S2000 days. Midfield runner for a while probably but no worse than that.

    WELCH - ??? - Welch??? Aside from testing TCR, Dan's been very optimistic about getting on the grid. When you've got a 6 year old car, haven't got correct suspension kit or an engine, "Optimistic" is a good way to describe the car, not "Optimus". Unless you build a new car on a budget of 25p... or put that 25p into TCR UK. Also good luck getting the TBL you loaned to Motorbase back, it's now with Gilham and Team HARD. Nope, they're not coming back.

    PRO MOTORSPORT - Infiniti - ???
    Team looked ready for a 2017 return but didn't get a TBL. Gone quiet since then. They did have engines as well (albeit old-spec)... Guess they make nice museum pieces.

    Michael Epps
    Out of Team HARD and maybe £££? TCR UK is around though and he did test there. Clio Cup UK, look out.

    Ant-Whorton-Eales
    Out of AMD after spending 2017 generally glued to VW bodywork. Deserves a seat.

    Martin Depper
    Spent first half of 2017 testing tyre walls, and next half of 2017... wait, he was racing? Didn't notice!

    Rory Butcher
    Likely to return to GT racing after his part-season with Motorbase.

    Gordon Shedden
    TCR International.

    MAXIMUM MOTORSPORT
    Sold the Focus (the first NGTC Ford chassis!) which is being cannabilised by Cicely, and focus on TCR and VW Cup now. Track marshals across the country suddenly have 50% less work to do in 2018.

    888
    Ded.
     
  3. TheCracker

    TheCracker Premium

    Messages:
    20,880
    Location:
    South Korea
    I thought it was a Giulia they were adapting to NGTC rules? - that's a Giulietta unless i'm mistaken?
     
  4. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    My mistake, I get those two mixed up very easily.
     
  5. TheCracker

    TheCracker Premium

    Messages:
    20,880
    Location:
    South Korea
    Has it always been the Giulietta or had they originally announced the Giulia?
     
  6. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Giulietta.
     
    TheCracker likes this.
  7. TheCracker

    TheCracker Premium

    Messages:
    20,880
    Location:
    South Korea
    Seems to be a trend away from saloons towards smaller hatchbacks. Guess the benefits of a nimble shorter wheelbase outweigh the benefits of a more stable-in-the-quick corners longer wheelbase.
     
    Furinkazen likes this.
  8. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    That and how modern hatchbacks are size-wise quite comparable to a late 90s mid 00s saloon.

    Edit: Cicely reveal 7pm tomorrow.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2018
    05XR8 likes this.
  9. Diehardracer

    Diehardracer

    Messages:
    541
    Location:
    United Kingdom


    WTCR.

    Huh? Why?
     
  10. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Warren Scott. Remember other year he bought 888 over with BMR and the teams IIRC shared workshops? Well note since the Subaru deal how 888 got nearly no financial input and fell away as a result. Final straw arguably was the dismissal (in rather clumsy circumstances) of Ian Harrison the day of Oulton Park last year, and replacement with Nico Ferrari... who was head of BKR, who were the BMR B-team in effect of 2016 with Howard and Smith...
     
  11. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Erm ok, surprise.

     
  12. Michelin Man

    Michelin Man

    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Well, guess it means those Honda's will have some pretty neat looking liveries then :lol:.

    Also tho new HMS Giulietta hit the track at Donnington today.

    Alfa Romeo Giuliette HMS BTCC.jpg

    Really quite a handsome looking, beast, looking wide and beefy :eek:, livery works well too. Will be interesting to see it's competitiveness out the box come Brands. Also be interesting too see how Nash acclimatise's himself back in the BTCC, wasn't too bad during his brief stint previously.

    Now I'm just curious with the Team Dynamics guys, eager to see if it is the new Type R Civic, surely I'd have thought.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2018
    05XR8 and Furinkazen like this.
  13. Diehardracer

    Diehardracer

    Messages:
    541
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    You are asking me if I remember Warren Scott brought 88 over to join BMR? I don't have a clue what business is done or how it is done behind the scenes. I don't have that degree of access inside teams to see how teams build and set up cars, what money they have and where they direct that money in the team or how the do business such as selling or acquiring teams, cars or drivers. Not do much from the point of view of financial transactions but more the boardroom. Meetings with people and what is discussed. But I am happy to take you at your word.

    So there is no more 888? Is there any hope of someone somewhere doing something to revive 888?
     
  14. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Grid is officially complete with Josh Price continuing at BMR and it's Media Day. Interesting note is BMR have switched from Mountune to Swindon engines - surely this can't mean death of the glorious boxer growl? Media Day today so guess we'll find out after 12pm :D
     
  15. Scaff

    Scaff Staff Emeritus

    Messages:
    23,224
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Few from the Media and Test day today

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Scaff

    Scaff Staff Emeritus

    Messages:
    23,224
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    And a few more

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Any GTP members down Brands Hatch this weekend?
     
    Urinal2001 likes this.
  18. jake2013guy

    jake2013guy

    Messages:
    6,251
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    What. A. Race.
     
    jmsbrydon and Furinkazen like this.
  19. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Simpson on pole. Damn. Championship contenders Morgan Ingram Cook way down the field.
     
    John Wells likes this.
  20. Diehardracer

    Diehardracer

    Messages:
    541
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Went to Croft for the 17th time since my first year in 2001 and chose the back-straight between Hawthorn and Tower. Great view. Got sunburned on my neck and on my forearm but it was worth it to see one of the best series there is. Sutton back on form? Turks starting to slip down? I think so long as Turks' keeps up consistency I think he stands a good chance of taking the title.
     
    John Wells likes this.
  21. John Wells

    John Wells

    Messages:
    2,773
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I was at Croft as well, good see it busy, like it was in British Superbikes. Bit quite on Friday, but picked, rest of weekend. I like move around, watched couple of races at first corner, on the bank, going down back straight into Tower. Really good on the back part, coming out Jim Clark S, into Barcroft, Sunny In Out, through complex.

    Been to Nostalgia Weekend to, recommend that as well.:)
     
  22. Michelin Man

    Michelin Man

    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Fantastic start to the day of a 60th Anniversary special, what a finish to the end of race 1! :crazy:
     
  23. petesj26

    petesj26

    Messages:
    104
    5min left of the Ginetta Juniors on ITV4. Another incredible race. Looks like we're on for a fantastic day!
     
    John Wells likes this.
  24. Michelin Man

    Michelin Man

    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Absolutely, Juniors going at it hammer and tongs as well in another great battle for 1st between Smalley and Browning. The wet and changing conditions seem to be adding to the fantastic racing so far; as if it was needed anyway, so we look set for a brilliant day of racing that's for sure.
     
    John Wells and petesj26 like this.
  25. Furi

    Furi Premium

    Messages:
    43,828
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I would prefer Race #3 to be dry though, also Gow can we keep the 15 min shoot-out style Q format, please?
     
    John Wells and Michelin Man like this.
  26. Michelin Man

    Michelin Man

    Messages:
    2,374
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I'd probably agree with you on that, a dry race 3 would be preferable. And judging by the strong winds drivers have been reporting, the track seems to be drying out quickly, permitting any rain. With it being a 1 hour race, it being dry would make it better; not that a wet race would be dull. far from it of course. With everyone being more fired up in race 3 anyway, a dry race would allow for "smoother" running if you know what I mean, given the potential for stoppages/safety cars under a frantic wet race 3. Nonetheless, with more at stake with it being double points, race 3 shouldn't disappoint given the quality of the racing so far.

    Edit:
    Diamond Double race soon to get underway, going to be intriguing as it's no longer wet but it's not quite fully dry either, interesting conditions.
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2018
    John Wells likes this.
  27. The Stig Farmer

    The Stig Farmer

    Messages:
    8,148
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    BTCC to adopt hybrid technology at the end of 2021.

     
    Michelin Man and petesj26 like this.
  28. petesj26

    petesj26

    Messages:
    104
    This might be very similar to the noises WTCC were making around six years ago. Off the shelf hybrid systems attached to the non-driven wheels so that the cost is managed while being relatively simple.

    I'm all for it!
     
    desmodan likes this.
  29. desmodan

    desmodan

    Messages:
    287
    Sounds like a sensible option to me .
    We all know that at some point the internal combustion engine is going to be made to feel unwelcome (booo.. ) but if some form of regenerative electrical system could be employed alongside a , probably smaller , petrol engine then the sounds and smells that we all know and love will be with us for a while longer .